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« Reply #15 on: August 06, 2009, 05:03:02 AM »

http://www.griffinind.com/
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Welcome to Griffin Industries

 

Griffin Industries assumed a leadership role in recycling excellence in 1943 - long before environmental stewardship became a household term and corporate directive.

 

Griffin Industries collects and recycles billions of pounds of agricultural waste annually. Meat and poultry by-products, grocery scraps, restaurant grease, and waste from the bakery industry is reclaimed and recycled into usable, everyday products. These by-products are recycled into fats, oils, proteins, alternative fuels, leather goods, organic fertilizers and methyl esters that are synonymous with quality in the pet food, animal feed, industrial/chemical, petroleum, leather and turf industries.

If it were not for the collection efforts of the rendering industry, this mountain of materials would create an immense ecological problem and tax burden. Practically everyone today lives better and more economically through the efforts of renderers.

 

For a more detailed overview of the rendering industries' environmental impact, refer to the National Renderers Association website at www.nationalrenderers.org/environmental
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In researching the "double dose of irradiation" possibility, several telephone calls have been made to Griffin Industries but the technical officer (to whom the call is referred) is constantly on voicemail, in meetings...an email has received no response.

 
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« Reply #16 on: August 06, 2009, 05:13:49 AM »

For anyone concerned about downloading viruses (was that the issue 3catkidneyfailure? - don't understand what is TYIA?) - a contact of mine on another forum has actually downloaded them to her forum to save download time. I'm not sure if it's OK to put a link to another forum here but it's good to know there is a back-up if needed. I will post it and if mods want to remove it they will and people can PM me for it.

http://www.letstalkpetfoods.org/post1862.html#p1862

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« Reply #17 on: August 08, 2009, 04:04:12 AM »

Have reread all the information - thank you again Public Informer. As an affected cat owner who was offended by the ever changing story supplied by Champion it is interesting to see our suspicions of how much Champion knew confirmed.

I find it unbelievable in this day and age that pet food companies can market their product as "biologically appropriate" and "organic" when they are anything but. How is it OK to falsely advertise product, have false ingredient lists, substitute ingredients, claim ingredients are sourced in one country when in fact it is sourced elsewhere. Why do governments allow them to continue to self regulate when they clearly are not capable of doing so and hold their customers and end users in total contempt. Why are they allowed to continually threaten vicims of their products with litigation to shut them up? When the hell are governments going to start offering consumers even part of the protection they give these companies.

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« Reply #18 on: August 08, 2009, 04:36:55 PM »

Yes indeed Jo.

Thank you Public Informer for making the information available.

No surprises there really. Still a bit in shock though. I was alerted to this post by someone last week (she knows who she is thank you) when I was in the middle of writing a long letter to Champion, having had no reply to my email questions nor to my phone call. I was able to add to the letter and it is now on its way. So thanks again for that info.

As the OP has invited/encouraged cross-posting I will put the link on our Australian forum where most of the affected cat owners were registered. Although it is not so active there now I do know people hop in from time to time to update themselves on any cats still in recovery and post the good news about their own.

I'm sure there are other places where we had threads a while back that I could post links to.

I see Susan Thixton has picked up on it too...that's good.

You are right Jo the companies are more protected than the consumers who are wronged by these one-sided policies and lack of regulation. Thankfully at least our government is looking at this and Minister Burke's letter to me said that they would be reporting in November with recommendations. Time to get some letters in to put our point of view I think.

It seems unbelievable to me that the Government of Alberta sponsored Champion's 7 million manufacturing plant for Orijen production to promote the use of that state's fresh produce and gave them an award for doing so (cosy little circular arrangement, that) then they import render and heaven knows what else from the USA to dump into this biologically appropriate product made from fresh ingredients as nature intended. Then if the importer is to be believed they agreed to nuking it with Cobalt 60 which itself doesn't even occur naturally. Ironically a large supply of the world's irradiation facilities' Cobalt 60 comes from Canada where they manufacture it from Cobalt 50.

I see no reason to disbelieve the importer, if he was going back and forth like a messenger boy between AQIS and the manufacturer to get details of ingredients, processes, temperatures etc then AQIS give him 2 options - irradiate it or withdraw the application - I can't see him taking that decision on his own. And if he had, why would he allow a further week's delay to do so? - according to the dox it was about a week later he went back to AQIS to say the manufacturer had agreed to the process and the costs.

Interesting the turnaround time on that question when those of us here who are so tragically affected by its repercussions have to wait weeks and months for answers.
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« Reply #19 on: August 08, 2009, 10:49:46 PM »

...I see Susan Thixton has picked up on it too...
First, do you have a reference for Susan's reaction?

Frankly, my head's just spinning..............
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« Reply #20 on: August 09, 2009, 01:15:33 AM »

Yes, I subscribe to her email newsletter I got it Friday

http://www.truthaboutpetfood.com/articles/415/1/FOI-Documents-Obtained-Regarding-Orijen-in-Australia/Page1.html
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« Reply #21 on: August 09, 2009, 02:08:57 AM »

The manufacturer agreed to the radiation of the food? Is there any documentation that they ever tested the food after it was radiated to see what had changed as far as nutrient content, etc? What law would apply if a company knew effects of radiation and then sold the food to the consumer that had no clue what would happen to their pet from consuming the food?
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« Reply #22 on: August 09, 2009, 07:36:37 AM »

I have a few comments.

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The one fact that does remain is that they should have had full control of their product from plant to bowl

Really?  Because this is not true of any PFC with the exception of Science Diet, at least in Ontario.  EVERY manufacturer uses a distributor, which means that once the product leaves their plant, they have no control over it.  Sure, perhaps some do on paper, but in reality - ZERO control over how their product is stored, treated and handled.

Secondly, everyone needs to keep an eye on the FACTS of the situation at hand.  For example, it doesn't help our case any when we refer to Orijen's ingredients as Organic.  They have NEVER claimed to have organic ingredients.

Thirdly, there is reference to ingredient substitutions, false ingredient lists, USA sourced meats, etc.  Is it too much to ask for some proof?  Champion uses MEALS.  Meals are RENDERED.  We already know this (or at least, everyone here should). 

If Champion was aware of that their product was going to be irradiated then obviously more due diligence should have been performed.  That much is obvious.  If this is the case, then the wrong decision was made.  They erred. 

Of COURSE this does not forgive what happened, or excuse it, or make it any less horrific.  Would I be out for blood if it was my sweet kitty who was injured?  Of COURSE I would, and I completely understand the ferocity of those who have been affected.  What I can NOT get my head around is the ferocity of the observers in this situation - it seems to me like folks are far more anxious to bust Champion for wrongdoing or impropriety than Nutro, or Iams, or Science Diet, or Royal Canin... all of whom we KNOW use asian ingredients, artificial ingredients, garbage ingredients.

Perhaps I'm missing the point?  Go ahead, blast me if I am.  I'm a big girl, I can take it.  But let's stick to the facts please.

I want to clarify as well that I'm not saying that Champion should be immune from criticism, liability or responsibility.  However, I don't believe that a company is only as good/bad as its last action or error. 
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« Reply #23 on: August 09, 2009, 04:36:10 PM »

While I agree we need to stick with facts,Orijen or any other pfc or food/drug/supplement co need to be held responsible for anything their distributers do. It is not unrealistic to expect companies to know where the ingredients come from or what happens to their product when it leaves their facility. Global market or not,the safety of their product is 100% their responsibility & they need to be aware & honest about it.Personally I don't do business of any kind with a company who will not openly answer questions or who treat their customers poorly.
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« Reply #24 on: August 09, 2009, 06:18:19 PM »

lesliek - I do agree with you that manufacturers hold some accountability regarding what their distributors (as well as their suppliers - that article is unsettling, rcexplorer) but it's unrealistic to expect them to assume all of the responsibility.  I was simply pointing out that the situation is never as simple as it seems.

rcexplorer - If I'm being defensive it's because I've spent over 12 years dealing with the realities and mistruths about the PFI and spread by the PFI.  It's because I have an issue with reactivity over truth.  Over reality.  Over rationality. 

Ann Martin is a crusader in the industry whose credibility was destroyed by her second book - because of a lack of proper research. 

If we want to be taken seriously in the future, we need to be careful what we fling around, like "omg, Orijen is using non-organic ingredients!" when they never claimed to in the first place. 

And yes, I have an issue with asian ingredients when those same ingredients can be purchased here.  Anyone who has no problem tainting baby formula is not exactly on the top of my list for trustworthy suppliers.  As a matter of fact, I have a strong preference for ANY good produced in North America.  Don't feel much need to apologize for it, either.

As far the "garbage" label... well, if the shoe fits.  Yes, I consider "garbage" any food company that uses garbage ingredients to produce their product, garbage additives to preserve/colour/flavour their product, and garbage science and marketing to promote their product. 
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« Reply #25 on: August 10, 2009, 12:08:51 AM »

Found an interesting article on Griffin Industries

     "Privately held and family run, Griffin Industries, Inc., is the second largest independent rendering company in the United States. Griffin collects a variety of waste products, including used restaurant cooking oil; offal, scraps, and hides from slaughterhouses, packing houses, and butchers; poultry feathers; dead farm animals; supermarket discards; and inedible bakery waste from the production of bread, dough, pasta, crackers, cereal, bagels, sweet goods, and snack chips. These materials are transported by a fleet of company trucks to Griffin recycling plants, where they are converted into saleable products. Animal proteins, feeding fats and tallows, and bakery meal are sold as animal feed and converted by other manufacturers into pet food. Bakery waste is converted into Cookie Meal, a corn replacement ingredient used to make animal feed or pet food."


    "It was also during the early 1990s that Griffin Industries returned to its roots via the production of organic fertilizer, marketed under the Nature Safe label, a product that once again became viable because of stricter environmental regulations. In addition, the company developed new animal feed products, including BI-PAS, a protein product used to increase milk production, and RUMICAL, a dry fat product used in the dairy industry."

   
                 http://www.answers.com/topic/griffin-industries-inc

                                          kathy
With so many people wary of rendered things in the food I'll ask again -
WHY have not (even just 1) rendering company turned to making fuel for cars, buses, trucks, motor boats, heating oil, etc? Who sez it should be all thrown into a big giant soup pot, heated to the umpteenth degree, then put into pet foods, cosmetics, etc? I know they provide a service but why not make the stuff into fuels that everyone uses (as not everyone owns a pet). Problem solved with all that waste.
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« Reply #26 on: August 10, 2009, 03:41:26 PM »

I've been following this with interest and sometimes, I'm puzzled. One poster wrote:

"p26-27 refer to all animals being slaughtered in USA. I thought all the ingredients were meant to be fresh, organic, Canadian?"

Many farms here in Canada do not use Canadian slaughtering facilities. The animals get shipped to the US for slaughter, and are then shipped back. That doesn't mean that the meat used is not fresh (i.e. frozen) or local.

http://beefcanada.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=21
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« Reply #27 on: August 11, 2009, 06:30:29 PM »

Bug I have one issue with this, from memory Orijen has not contained beef since Champion Petfoods were involved with the manufacturing of pet food conatining BSE in 2003. The fact remains that they advertise their food as containing fresh local ingredients blah blah blah not rendered slop from the US. There is no mention of their food containing beef.

http://itchmoforums.com/news-recall-related/problems-with-orijen-in-australia-t6985.0.html;msg103971#msg103971

Also IMO would it not be quite expensive to ship animals from your country, have them slaughtered and processed and then shipped back "fresh" to manufacture pet food, but then again Peter has been quoted as saying' "Pet food is a huge business and it's really interesting to see how much people choose to spend on their pets."
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« Reply #28 on: August 11, 2009, 08:07:26 PM »

Maxymia, I just picked beef as an example. I guess I should have chosen another meat. I don't know why they would ship it to the US for processing, I just know it's done for sure with cattle and hogs. Some of the packaged meat products on grocery store shelves are the result of just that. I would think that it would cost more to do so, but I'd have to ask a farmer what the deal is on this one. I also don't know that what they get from Griffin is actually rendered "slop". I don't think I can find a dry pet food without rendered meals included. They just couldn't get the nutrient and caloric density required without them.
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« Reply #29 on: August 11, 2009, 09:09:19 PM »

Bug, From the link you posted Canada is shipping cattle to the US for slaughter to avoid the charges brought in by your government to stamp out BSE. This would not apply to Chicken, turkey and fish. I agree that you probably can't find a dry food witch does not include meal. I guess our issue is that these type of ingredients are not "biologically appropriate" and are not "as nature intended"

Public informer I am glad to see that you finally received these papers and thank you for posting them. At least they show that the importer was definitely alerted to the fact that Orijen would be irradiated and at what level just as AQIS has stated. They also show that the importer said he alerted Champion to this fact. We know that depending on who you spoke to at Champion they either did know, they did not know, they new but not at what level and finally there was mention of this in 'background documents'. What the **** are background documents, I personally have never come across any documents with such a title. Because these documents which Champion had in their possession were 'background documents' does this mean that they did not need their attention and therefore Champion are in the clear. Also if the importer was hiding this fact from Champion why would he then forward the irradiation bill to Champion. OK I know we still need solid proof but all I can say is that there are 3 parties involved here (AQIS, The importer and Champion). The only party who has constatntly changed their story is Champion.
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