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« Reply #30 on: May 29, 2007, 12:19:30 PM »

older post I will repost here.
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3/22/2007 9:28 PM Re: Pet Food Adulteration: Deliberate Terrorism? Quote

possibally. Like the aflatoxin that affected pet food back in 2005 I think. aflatoxin can be used as a biological weapon.
http://www.slic2.wsu.edu:82/hurlbert/micro101/pages/101biologicalweapons.html#aflatoxin

Pet food recall in 23 states for aflaxin toxic fungus, brand names Diamond, Country Value, and Professional

Many of the toxins are molds, spores, fungus grown on corn, wheat,grains, peanuts and other methods.....


I would like to know more about menufoods, "new supplier", who they are. Also someone who works at the plant, can slip these toxins into any vats, for animal and human consumption.

Genetically-modified BWs in the nations food supply?

http://www.slic2.wsu.edu:82/hurlbert/micro101/pages/101biologicalweapons.html


This may have been a example to show how any food can be messed with. We think about biological or chemical attacks to our water supplies, but seldom to our food supply! Who knows, people could be in place now working in our food factories. Or put, aflaxin, anthrax, forms of plague, smallpox, yellow fever, forms of Ebola and botulism. A biological agent can come in several forms, including a bacteria, fungus, virus or toxin, or any contagiouns ( germ warfare ) into pet foods to infect people!
 
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3/22/2007 10:03 PM Re: Pet Food Adulteration: Deliberate Terrorism? Quote

The Public Health Security and Bioterrorism Preparedness and Response Act of 2002 (the Bioterrorism Act) however this only works when TPTB allow it.


http://foodsafety.cas.psu.edu/Bioterror.html

These incidents , like 911, could have been allowed to happen, just to pass more homeland security bills. Codex wants to pass into law, ( with a few other alphabet agencies ) vitimins, herbs, total control to Codex!

NEW LAWS RESTRICTING HERBS AND VITAMINS VIA CODEX ALIMENTARIUS

http://www.consumerhealth.org/articles/display.cfm?ID=19990303190257

While not officially part of the Codex Alimentarius Commission structure, the Joint FAO/WHO Expert Committee on Food Additives provides independent scientific expert advice to the Commission and its specialist Committees. FAO and WHO maintain separate websites highlighting the work of the Committee from the points of view of the two parent Organizations.
http://www.fao.org/ag/agn/jecfa/archive_en.stm

Baby food recall, spinach, cantalope, peanut butter, petfood........

just a few more food tampering of human and pet food products, and bingo, codex gets their biils made into law.

Codex controls any and all Food Additives. ( wheat gluten, corn, fillers, coloring, in pet foods are food additives ) Part of the plan to control our food, and water next?


It's Not hard to see the hidden agenda, in the long run..

LIFE WITH BIG BROTHER
Feds eye control of vitamins, supplements – even water!
FDA looks to regulate natural substances as drugs, with prescriptions from doctors
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55370
 
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3/22/2007 10:48 PM Re: Pet Food Adulteration: Deliberate Terrorism? Quote

so what if it was deliberate, and if so by whom? Iran, China, Russia, a lone gunman?

What if it was someone who wanted to get the Bioterrorism Act of 2002 amended?

Fair use applies

Produce industry vows better tracking of veggies
BY JANE ZHANG
Posted Wednesday, March 21, 2007

The Bioterrorism Act of 2002 requires food processors and shippers - but not growers - to keep records showing where they get their produce and to whom they sell it. But such records often fall short in helping determine the sources of contamination.
more here
http://www.dailyherald.com/food/story.asp?id=293086&rec=fdtrackingveggies%5Bbc-wsj-trackingvegetabl%5D


Tracking not only big companies, but the home gardener? Veggies go into pet food, so add this pet food recall to the list of baby food, spinach, cantalope, peanut butter, ect.

Fair use applies
April 1, 2007


Legislation addresses critical shortage of veterinarians in public health

Congress has again taken up legislation intended to increase the number of veterinarians working in food safety, food systems, biomedical research, and other public health-related areas of practice.

Recent studies have shown dramatic shortfalls of veterinarians in key public health practice areas such as bioterrorism and emergency preparedness, environmental health, and food systems. Indeed, the nation's livestock and meat industries may be threatened in the years ahead because of a projected severe dearth of food animal veterinarians.

story continues here
http://www.avma.org/onlnews/javma/apr07/070401a.asp

interesting story here
APICS Newsletter Addresses BioTerrorism Preparedness and Response Act

Laguna Hills, CA, March 12, 2007
http://www.pr.com/press-release/32008

Section 306 = Recipes. controling ingredients in grandma's cookie recipes?

fair use applies
Thursday, March 22, 2007

Expert: N.J. lacks enforcement of food safety rules
In New Jersey, where there are about 55,000 retail food establishments and about 2,500 wholesale manufacturing and processing plants, there are no state-level enforcement policies in place to insure food safety guidelines are followed.

Instead, most of the state's food safety enforcement is left to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, said Peter J. DeTroia, an environmental scientist with the state Department of Health and Senior Services Food and Drug Safety Program.
The FDA was granted more power to enforce food safety regulations with the passage of the Patriot Act and the Bioterrorism Act after terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center in 2001, he said.
Of the nearly 60,000 food-related businesses in the state, 27 are considered high priority, specifically those that distribute or manufacture milk, infant formula, soda, bottled water and juice.

Full story here
http://www.courierpostonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070322/NEWS01/703220423/1006


Pet owners have little recourse in a law suit, since animals is considered by law, property and can only collect on what was paid for the pet.

Unlike the baby food recall, and all the other e coli law suits that effected humans.



tptb knew in advance this pet food was contaminated, and have the bills, and laws ready to pass after the public outcry for safety, and security......
 
 

Rat Poison from china?

A source close to the investigation tells ABC News that the rodenticide, which the source says is illegal to use in the United States, was on wheat that was imported from China and used by Menu Foods in nearly 100 brands of dog and cat food.

Watch "World News" for full details on the extent of the poisoning.

They stoped calling it rat poison, and changed it to Melamine!
 
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3/23/2007 1:45 PM

The chemical is called aminopterin. the media called it rat poison after people found out aminopterin is used for cancer treatment. The media stoped reporting on the rat poison and soon went with another chemical

http://tinyurl.com/2e5rku

My questions:

1.Why would the USA, and Canada buy wheat from China in the first place.
2.Why is China spraying wheat with the "non Military" chemical weapon agent aminopterin?
3.Connection with the stock markets?
4.Is human food also poisoned?
5. What is China's motive.
6. was this all to amend the Bioterrorism Act of 2002?
7. was this an experiment done with animals first in the treatment of cancer?

Cancer Therapy: Clinical FDA
Phase II Trial of Oral Aminopterin for Adults and Children with Refractory Acute Leukemia
http://clincancerres.aacrjournals.org/cgi/content/full/11/22/8089

Chinese hamster cells irradiated with ultraviolet A or B radiation. Delayed HPRT− mutations, which are indications of genomic instability, were detected by incubating the cells in medium containing aminopterin
http://www.rrjournal.org/perlserv/?request=get-document&doi=10.1667%2FRR3305

Mutant strains continued to show partial radiosensitization with aminopterin treatment.
http://lib.bioinfo.pl/auth:Dornfeld,KJ

if aminopterin is a treatment for radiation, was this a experiment in pre-nuclear war treatment on animals first, then humans, to insure post radiation fallout recovery of both animals and humans?
 
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User ID: 207913
3/23/2007 1:58 PM

Mutant strains continued to show partial radiosensitization with aminopterin treatment.

if aminopterin is a treatment for radiation, was this a experiment in pre-nuclear war treatment on animals first, then humans, to insure post radiation fallout recovery of both animals and humans?


actually, that would be the opposite. So it could be something else in the tainted grains.

radiosensitization. The use of a drug that makes tumor cells more sensitive to radiation therapy, so the aminopterin treatment would make animals MORE sensitive to radiation fallout.
 
Anonymous Coward
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3/30/2007 2:33 PM Re: Pet Food Adulteration: Deliberate Terrorism? Quote

today it's Melamine, in dry pet food. What will it be tomorrow. Was something else in these imported ingredients beside chemicals? Could a virus get pass inspections, effect some animals, or mutate later to effect humans?


On March 30, the FDA announced that the chemical melamine, used in making plastics and possibly as a fertilizer in China, was found in the food and urine of affected animals. They could not confirm the role of aminopterin -- which may have been confused with folic acid. The FDA also suggested that the contaminated wheat gluten was shipped to a second, unnamed manufacturer of dry pet foods.[11]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menu_Foods

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yes, but the FDA and Codex wanted more control over our food, herbs, vitamins, additives anyways. plus tptb wanted to amend the bioterrist act 2002. This pet food disaster, may have been a example to show how any food can be messed with. We think about biological or chemical attacks to our water supplies, but seldom to our food supply! Who knows, people could be in place now working in our food factories. Or put, aflaxin, anthrax, forms of plague, smallpox, yellow fever, forms of Ebola and botulism. A biological agent can come in several forms, including a bacteria, fungus, virus or toxin, or any contagiouns ( germ warfare ) into pet foods to infect people!"

It could be in the feed, yeast, wheat gluten, rice gluten, corn gluten, and all the by products. Or at least the feed fed to the fish, and hogs. It would be surprise me in the least, global bee pro patties exported bee feed ingredients from china, and bee boxes. There could have been something in it too causing the honey bee CCD.
Been doing a ton of research on my own and reading about the tainted pet food, chicken, turkey, pig, fish, ( possible bee feed ) contamination. I've also read about the pig, and fish die off in the USA, and China, now in Turkey.

Think about it, what does the pigs in china have in common with the pigs in the USA or other countries that eat pork. Animal feed, tainted animal feed. Fish to are dieing in china as well, and they also fed contaminated fish feed, like the pet food. I mentioned this in Elaine thread here about pet food .
Pet Food Poision Enters Human Food Chain
http://www.alien-earth.org/forum/message.php?message=51325&mpage=1&showdate=5/9/07

Most of the information has been wiped out in the server change, but I can repost it if anyone's intrested.

snip:
"The virus can survive for prolonged periods in a moist, protein-rich medium such as meat, other tissues, and body fluids, particularly if kept cold or frozen. Virus survival times of several years in frozen pig meat, or months in chilled or cured meat, have been reported."

mysterious ailment killing pigs,hemmorhagic in nature.
http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/05/07/news/pigs.php

The ebola hemmorhagic flu type can survive in a protein rich medium. What about all the cases of freeze dried food ppl have bought from the freeze dry guy, and other survival groups, you know the ones. Could this virus have been smuggled into other countries mixed in with the vegetable protein? Or ppl set up working in food processing plants, dump in a few drops from a vile, into the vats of pet food, animal feed. If this is the case, worst case scenario, some of us could already be contaminated/infected with more then just Melamine.

Ebola-like virus killing fish in Great Lakes
A deadly Ebola-like virus is killing fish of all types in the Great Lakes, a development some scientists fear could trigger disaster for the USA's freshwater fish.

Ebola-like virus here
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-04-29-virus-fish_N.htm?csp=34
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« Reply #31 on: May 29, 2007, 12:28:06 PM »

Bee Pro patties, global
"'ve exchanged a few ideas with Peter, and it seems he has a prototype diet that the bees will eat, but I have not seen any data on the efficacy of feeding it compared to anything except BeePro™, which the bees, for some reason would not eat in his experiment. That latter thing seems odd, since global makes patties with BeePro to special order for some large and successful beekeepers and they have never complained. We fed BeePro patties, ourselves, and never had any less consumption when compared to other diets. At any rate, peter seems more interesting in developing, refining and proving his own diet than in analyzing our current diets for efficacy, and that is what we originally had in mind.

Who knows, maybe, non-beekeeper that I am these days, I would even invest in a company personally, since I am looking for good investments anywhere they can be found, but, I'd put up money only after seeing how I would get a payback. At this point, I can't see much hope for getting a return on investment out of this project for purely financial backers. I can see how the researchers make money for sure, the patty maker might benefit, if the work is credible, and he can recover the royalties and increase business as well, and the beekeepers stand to save a lot if an improved product gives a bigger bang for the buck.

The drawbacks are that proceeding this way adds greatly to the cost, and the risk, and thus the amount that needs to be advanced and the amount, therefore that must be recovered eventually. It also looks to me as if making up insect diets is a common skill, and if there is any sign of profit, every bee researcher in North America will have his or her own propriety formula within a year, driving down any possible premium on the a new improved formula.

The other problem is credibility. People rely on independent studies, and tend to be much more skeptical about work done by the same outfit that markets the product, so commercialization of this project would, at first glance, tend to devalue any results.

I had thought we could throw together an informal coalition where the beekeepers would get some information, and the researchers would be paid for their work. I had thought that a discussion forum would allow all to consider the project and that it might be close to running by the time I get back. The results would be public. Global would continue to make patties at the lowest possible cost for beekeepers. Win/win/win, I thought."
1) Feeding Protein

2) Feeding Syrup, Co-op with others to buy a Tanker Load

3) Installing Packages

4) Making Splits

5) Spring Management

6) Fall Feeding

7) Supering, Pulling Supers, and Extraction

http://www.honeybeeworld.com/diary/2004/diary011004.htm

heres what I found about Global
5. Citric Acid Monohydrate/Anhydrous

Citric Acid Monohydrate/Anhydrous: Packing: 25kgs pp woven bag Quantity: 20mts/20fcl Shipment: Prompt Origin: China
Open Details in New Window [2006-10-26]

Company: Globalsouces-Asia Ltd. [Province:Shandong]
They produce lots of chemicals

1. Cellulase--Global GA

Appearance: grain or powder Main Features: low backstaining, cold and hot temperature, high contrast between white and blue Technical conditions and applications: ph value:5.5-7.5; temperature: :25-50ºC, suitable for water finishing ...
Featured Product of the China Supplier Open Details in New Window [2007-03-13]

Company: Dongguan Proamine Chemicals Limited [Province:Guangdong]

http://www.made-in-china.com/products-search/find-Chemicals/1b0nolimit/global-1.html

http://www.globalpatties.com/orders/order_us.htm


Soy, Yeasts, and pollen, does not state source of ingredients. Or if melamine was added to boost protein content.
Protein Feeds

BeePro?, a product of Mann Lake claims to be a pollen substitute, not supplement. A true substitute is a balanced bee diet with more nutrients than simple yeast/soy patties and which can be fed at length in place of pollen, and which will sustain brood rearing without significant increased adult mortality. However the exact detailed nutritional composition of BeePro? is not revealed, nor guaranteed as far as I know. At time of writing we are not aware of independent tests that prove superiority of BeePro? over the yeast/soy patties many beekeepers make using a simple and inexpensive combination of soy flour and a high protein brewers yeast. We have used BeePro and find it works well as a supplement. We have not tested it a a substitute.

Global Patties: Some time back, my neighbours and I hired help to make our patties and later the crew we hired decided to go on their own to make patties for other beekeepers in Canada and the U.S.A. as well. They do a fantastic job and I recommend them highly. They operate under the name Global Patties (Visit Global website). I am retired now, but do some consulting for them to ensure that they stay on track and in touch with beekeeper needs. In 2004 and 2005, Medhat Nasr PhD, the Provincial Apiarist for Alberta, has done some field tests using a variety of formulas and and confirmed that these formulas work, giving increased brood, and increased honey yields, up to 50% over controls.

When making patties using yeast and soy:

The soy should be flour, not meal, preferably from an expeller process, not chemical extraction, and must be toasted after processing. However the expeller process is not used much anymore, and solvent processed flour may be the only product available and is acceptable.

The yeast should have been spray dried and have a protein content of 40% or more. Some yeasts sold for cattle feed are low in protein and contain a great deal of the growth medium (corn) and are not suitable. International Ingredient Corporation makes a suitable yeast that many beekeepers use. Ask for Fred Brown. 314-776-2700 or 800-227-8427
above info about bee feed
http://www.honeybeeworld.com/misc/pollen/default.htm

Scientists Testing Connection Between Melamine And Mass Bee Deaths
May 18th, 2007

Federal researchers are trying to find a link between melamine-tainted foods and a syndrome dubbed “Colony Collapse Disorder.” CCD has been causing alarm as the bees needed to pollinate produce has been disappearing in droves.

According to the article, the FDA is testing bee feed for melamine.

CCD started last year, coinciding with the first known reports of melamine-tainted foods.

No link has been found, but researchers at the Department of Agriculture’s Bee Research Laboratory and the Food and Drug Administration’s Center for Veterinary Medicine are testing commercial bee feed for melamine-related compounds and doing feed tests on honeybees.

“I was curious enough and wanted to be complete enough that I thought it was worth doing,” Jeffery Pettis, the bee lab’s research leader, told the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review on Thursday.

Since some commercial bee feeds are protein-based, using ingredients like brewer’s yeast and soy flour, the possibility that melamine could be causing the unexplained bee die-off is worth investigating, Pettis said.

However, he said he does not believe that melamine or anything about the bees’ diets ultimately will be linked to what is killing them.

“Our commercially available diets contain protein in them, so it’s not out of the question,” he said.

(Thanks Pet Connection)
http://www.itchmo.com/

I hope they also test the bee boxes, All Yeasts, imported bees, and anything that came in contact with the bees.
just one source, but there are many others

google "china yeast" and also go to
http://www.made-in-china.com/

put in yeast, search by product, all proveniences.

also try bee.

http://www.alibaba.com/countrysearch/CN-suppliers/Yeast.html
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 SS
5/19/2007
1:06 pm
Re: Could Tainted Pet & Human food, Have a connect with the honey Bees disappearance?

if i remember i think the conclusion was that the bees detected something wrong with the hive and with the queen and so they probably raised dome virgin queens and swarmed .. of course the africanized bees aren't even affected they will swarm Smiley

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OP
5/19/2007
1:25 pm   
Yeah, that was it SS. The bees detected something wrong with the hive! These hives are poorly designed, and treated with chemicals. So they not only need to check the protein bee feed, but the hive ( bee boxes ) as well. Yeast from China, also needs to be included in the FDA tests. Wheast, All forms of Yeast, vitamins, and amino acids, not just the soy, pollen, royal jelly, bee's wax & oils. Some companies also use grains in their bee feed, so that would include corn, wheat, rice.

Thanks SS for the repost:)
one company that manufactures hive boxes and frames. Just an example.

http://www.mannlakeltd.com/faqs/index.htm

Made in the USA? are we sure?

http://www.mannlakeltd.com/catalog/page12.html

Waxed Rite-Cell ®, Para-Moth ®, Mite-A-Thol®,Apistan ™ and CheckMite+ ™ cheaper China materials, ingredients? manufacturers? Imported beeswax from china? what kind of building materials are used to made the hives. where is the wood( formaldehyde?),bees wax, glues, plastics sourced from?

There are instances of keepers hiding colonies or feeding them antibiotics both of which are illegal. Antibiotics are a real problem at present in imported honey particularly from China where it is used prophylactically.

Cheap honey on the supermarket shelves is from China and of much lower quality, and has in the past been contaminated.

I think that's all I have for now Marilyn.
ttyl:)
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« Reply #32 on: June 01, 2007, 06:24:49 AM »

Honeybee Die-Off and How We Can Help

Many of us, including myself, tend to think that agriculture pesticides are one of the largest contributing factor in the bee die off.  This article amazed me when I saw how pesticides being used by homeowners play a big part in it.

A "must read" about the effects of common lawn & garden pesticides....

"The National Coalition for Pesticide-Free Lawns"
http://www.beyondpesticides.org

Millions of pounds of pesticides are applied on lawns and landscapes each year by homeowners and landscape companies and this use is continuing to rise; and
The latest figures from the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) show the use of pesticides for the non-agricultural sector to be around 213 million pounds. That is roughly twenty-five percent of all pesticide use in the United States. Homeowners alone use at least 90 million pounds of pesticides per year on lawns and gardens. And the trend is increasing. From 1998 to 2001, home usage of pesticides jumped by 42 percent. These figures are underestimations since they only measure the actual chemical, not the entire pesticide product formulation, which typically includes more than one chemical. Suburban lawns and gardens receive far heavier pesticide applications per acre than agricultural areas. c apply between 3.2 to 9.8 lbs per acre of pesticides on lawns. On average 2.7 lbs per acre of pesticides are applied on agricultural land.

What is a Pesticide? “Though often misunderstood to refer only to insecticides, the term pesticide also applies to herbicides, fungicides, and various other substances used to control pests.” -U.S. Environmental Protection Agency

Of 30 commonly used pesticides used on lawns and landscapes, 16 are toxic to birds, 24 are toxic to fish and other aquatic organisms, 11 are toxic to bees, and 11 have the potential to disrupt the endocrine (hormonal) system in wildlife and humans.[5] Lawn and garden pesticides are also deadly to beneficial insects and soil life vital to a naturally healthy lawn. Most pesticides are broad spectrum, meaning the chemical kills both “pests” and harmless or beneficial species. For example, carbaryl, the sixth most widely used pesticide in the home and garden sector, is highly toxic to honey bees and especially dangerous because it can be carried back to the hive and kill newly emerged worker bees.”  Other studies show pesticides reduce earthworm populations and activity. Pesticides that run off lawns into local waterways can kill or contaminate fish or other aquatic species that contribute to ecosystem health and serve as food for other fish. Harmful effects can occur at concentrations far below those that cause death or obvious signs of toxicity. For example, salmon are extremely sensitive to certain types of lawn pesticides (such as diazinon, carbaryl, and malathion) that can affect their ability to feed and avoid predators.
Continue reading.. http://www.beyondpesticides.org/pesticidefreelawns/declaration/backgrounder_html.htm

This web site is very informative on how to find safer products.
http://www.beyondpesticides.org/pesticidefreelawns/resources/index.htm
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« Reply #33 on: June 01, 2007, 10:34:22 PM »

Whats with these super long posts? If you want us to read them please shorten them like the majority of the posts in the forum. Save the long stuff for the main page where it has been posted til now. Some do not have the time to read these 'manuscripts'. Keep it simple and it will work better. We do not need to know what every single person said on the main page. If you chose please make reference to main page and what heading it is under and those that want can go there to read the whole thing. Just want everyone to be considerate in the time and effort everyone makes on here to help each other. Itchmo do you agree or have any input you would like to add?
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« Reply #34 on: June 16, 2007, 07:18:17 AM »

They know, but they refuse to admit what's the real cause of the die off.
There is no question. Pesticide corporations and their greed for big profits and our corrupt government for alowing it is to blame.

Daily News Archive
From May 29, 2002
Beekeepers Voice Concerns About Pesticide Use
http://64.233.167.104/custom?q=cache:gCdPLVVQCeoJ:www.beyondpesticides.org/news/daily_news_archive/2002/05_29_02.htm+imidacloprid&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=us

Recent declines in the honeybee population in North America have beekeepers concerned about pesticide use, according to The National Post. In Canada, 30 to 90% die-offs are occurring as compared to the normal 5% to 10%. The population declines happen to be near potato fields where farmers spray imidacloprid to target the Colorado potato beetle. Concern is now arising over a newer imidacloprid product to be used on canola fields. 70% of the honey produced in Canada is from bees that feed on canola.

Dr. Kemp is studying the pollen and nectar extracted from bees collected near potato fields. The Bayer Corporation funds a large portion of his research. Bayer manufactures Admire, the imidacloprid-containing product used on Canada's potato fields. After a summer of research, he claims that the imidacloprid is an unlikely cause of the decline in honeybees. Beekeepers remain skeptical. This chemical has been blamed for similar problems in other parts of the world. France banned imidacloprid several years ago after honeybees started dying near sunflower fields sprayed with it.

Photo Stories
http://www.beyondpesticides.org/photostories/week_38_7_4_03/week_38.htm

"The changes in agricultural styles, chemicals and pesticides have taken a tremendous toll," explains Dr. Kevan.

According to Ohio State University, the following pesticides are highly toxic to bees: 2,4-D (Weed-B-Gone), abamectin (Zephyr), acephate (Orthene), azinphos-methyl (Guthion), bifenthrin (Capture), carbaryl (Sevin), carbosulfan (Advantage), chlormephos (Dotan), chlorpyrifos (Lorsban, Dursban), cyfluthrin (Baythroid), d-phenothrin (Sumithrin), demeton-s-methyl (Metasystox (i), (50-% Premix), diazinon (Spectracide), dichlorvos (DDVP), dicrotophos (Bibrin), dimethoate (Cygon, De-Fend), esfenvalerate (Asana XL), ethion (tech), (Ethanox), etrimfos (Ekamet), fenitrothion (Sumithion), fenpropathrin (Farmatox), fensulfothion (Dasanit), fenthion (Baytex), fenvalerate (DMSO), (Belmark), flucythrinate (Pay-Off), fonofos (Dyfonate), heptachlor (Fennotox), lindane (Lindane), malathion (Malathion 50, Malathion ULV), methamidophos (Monitor, Tamaron), methidathion (Supracide), methiocarb (Mesurol), methyl parathion (Penncap-M), mevinphos (Phosdrin), monocrotophos (Azodrin), naled (Dibrom), omethoate (Folimat), oxydemethon-methyl (Metasystox-R), oxydisulfoton (Disyston S), parathion (Bladan), permethrin (Ambush, Pounce), phosmet (Imidan), phosphamidon (Dimecron), propoxur (Baygon), pyrazophos (Afugan), resmethrin (Chrysron), tetrachlorvinphos (Gardona), and tralomethrin (Scout X-TRA). The following are moderately toxic: Acetochlor (Acenit), Aclonifen (Challenge), allethrin (Pynamin), alphacypermethrin (Fastac), ametryn(Evik), bromopropylate (Acarol), cinmethylin (Argold), crotoxyphos (Ciodrin, Decrotox), DCPA (Dacthal), diphenamid (Dymid), disulfoton (DiSyston, Ekanon), endosulfan (Thiodan), endrin (Hexadrin), ethoprop (Mocap), flufenoxuron (Cascade), fluvalinate (tau-fluvalinate), (Mavrik, Spur), formetanate hydrochloride (Carzol), mancozeb (Manzate, Dithane, Fore), methanearsonic acid (MAA), neburon (Granurex, Propuron), pebulate (Tillam), phorate (Geomet, Thimet), pirimiphos-methyl (Acetellic), sethoxydim (Poast), sulfosate (Touchdown), terbufos (Counter), thiocyclam hydrogen oxalate (Evisect), thiodicarb (Larvin, Nivral), and triforine (Denarin, Funginex
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« Reply #35 on: June 16, 2007, 07:33:28 AM »

When you mentioned canola, I immediately thought of GMO's, since a high percentage of our Canadian canola is GMO. The biotech people would blame the pesticides.

Hope that honey doesn't have toilet-fish genes in it!
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« Reply #36 on: June 16, 2007, 11:04:39 AM »

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Dr. Kemp is studying the pollen and nectar extracted from bees collected near potato fields. The Bayer Corporation funds a large portion of his research.

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Another SOS study. How can we expect fair and truthful results from a scientist that is funded by the company making the insecticide? This happens all the time, just like the polls and surveys they go out with a conclusion in mind and phrase the questions in a way that gives them the results that they are looking for.

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Wasn't it like Einstein or someone that said, 'if the honey bees die off, all life on the planet would die off in 3 years'?

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« Reply #37 on: June 17, 2007, 01:54:26 AM »

When you mentioned canola, I immediately thought of GMO's, since a high percentage of our Canadian canola is GMO. The biotech people would blame the pesticides.

Hope that honey doesn't have toilet-fish genes in it!
Don't think we have to worry about that unless bees are pollinating the fish from melaland now? No one should eat any fish cause if its from the US its loaded with mercury and from melaland its full of caca, antibiotics, pesticides and carcinogens too. Toilet fish anyone? Help yourself, I'll pass thank you very much!
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« Reply #38 on: September 19, 2007, 08:04:12 PM »

Klondike what about the bees they are finding in such places as under a homes roof? Could these be the same bees that have left their hives in droves and found refuge in places like under a homeowners roof? I still would like to know if the wood that the  hives are in have been treated or sprayed with some type of chemical or made from wood loaded with formaldehyde? Maybe the bees were overwhelmed and driven from their hives from the toxins if there is  any to be found in the wood? Anyone test the wood for this? Just a thought....
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« Reply #39 on: September 26, 2007, 06:30:21 PM »

Mikken,

I was very interested in your bee  house article.  Thank you for posting.  On Wikipedia there is a picture of log bee houses.  We went and got hollow oak tree logs to start.  Unfortunately I could not find any written information yet on placement, holes, etc.  Your link provided me with these important details.  Soon we will have enough knowledge to put them up.  Here is the link to the picture.  It is about 1/4 down on the left under traditional beekeeping.  Anyone have more info. on this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beekeeping
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« Reply #40 on: January 17, 2008, 10:16:56 AM »


 This is sad.  We are loosing our honey bees and now our birds too.


Why Are the Birds Disappearing?

Tens of millions of the most common birds in North America have disappeared, and their absence is signaling a silent alarm bell about the state of our ecosystem.

According to a report by the National Audubon Society, the numbers of some species of birds have plummeted by 60 percent to 80 percent.

The video above explains some of the dramatic environmental disruptions that are contributing to the decimation of the bird population, and what their disappearance means to the future of our planet.

Dr. Mercola's Comments:

Like the tragedy of the disappearing honeybees, the disappearance of millions and millions of birds means that something has gone terribly wrong in our environment.

There are many likely contributing factors for this observation, everything from pesticides to urban sprawl and pollution, but there is an extremely pervasive, silent killer out there that hardly anyone is mentioning: Information-carrying radio waves.

Go to this link to watch the video and to read the rest of the article: http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/1/17/why-are-the-birds-disappearing.aspx
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« Reply #41 on: January 17, 2008, 11:17:32 AM »

We need to stop being HUMAN convenient and start being world conveinent
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« Reply #42 on: January 17, 2008, 06:04:38 PM »

What about the skies constantly being sprayed with Chemtrails? I noticed this past summer there were less moths than ever before, less wasps and only saw a couple of large bumble bees or yellow jackets-no other bees. Plenty of birds but used to see a fair number of crows but they seem to have went someplace? Chemtrials and sound waves would wreck havoc with any flying animals/insects etc. sonar.
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« Reply #43 on: January 17, 2008, 09:38:27 PM »


JJ,
Yes, I noticed  the very same thing. In 2006 we moved out in the country in central PA. There were hordes of fireflies, moths, bees, spiders and ants. This past summer there was hardly anything. It was very strange.
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« Reply #44 on: January 17, 2008, 09:41:53 PM »

I will keep my bumbles but I will ship yellow jacket;)

North idaho is filled with them and paper wasps

I also have a variety of moths and butterflys
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