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cynthiak23

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Re: Honeybee Die-Off

« Reply #15 on: May 14, 2007, 09:48:46 AM »

I called Y.S. Organic Bee Farms and thet told me that they have no losses.
http://www.ysorganic.com/page2.html
(This probably the BEST honey you can buy! It's soooo good!)

I found this article explaining why Organic Bee Farms are having no problems...
http://www.informationliberation.com/index.php?id=21912

No Organic Bee Losses
"Sharon Labchuk is a longtime environmental activist and part-time organic beekeeper from Prince Edward Island. She has twice run for a seat in Ottawa's House of Commons, making strong showings around 5% for Canada's fledgling Green Party. She is also leader of the provincial wing of her party. In a widely circulated email, she wrote:

I'm on an organic beekeeping list of about 1,000 people, mostly Americans, and no one in the organic beekeeping world, including commercial beekeepers, is reporting colony collapse on this list. The problem with the big commercial guys is that they put pesticides in their hives to fumigate for varroa mites, and they feed antibiotics to the bees. They also haul the hives by truck all over the place to make more money with pollination services, which stresses the colonies.

Her email recommends a visit to the Bush Bees Web site at Here, Michael Bush felt compelled to put a message to the beekeeping world right on the top page:

Most of us beekeepers are fighting with the Varroa mites. I'm happy to say my biggest problems are things like trying to get nucs through the winter and coming up with hives that won't hurt my back from lifting or better ways to feed the bees.

This change from fighting the mites is mostly because I've gone to natural sized cells. In case you weren't aware, and I wasn't for a long time, the foundation in common usage results in much larger bees than what you would find in a natural hive. I've measured sections of natural worker brood comb that are 4.6mm in diameter. What most people use for worker brood is foundation that is 5.4mm in diameter. If you translate that into three dimensions instead of one, it produces a bee that is about half as large again as is natural. By letting the bees build natural sized cells, I have virtually eliminated my Varroa and Tracheal mite problems. One cause of this is shorter capping times by one day, and shorter post-capping times by one day. This means less Varroa get into the cells, and less Varroa reproduce in the cells.

Who should be surprised that the major media reports forget to tell us that the dying bees are actually hyper-bred varieties that we coax into a larger than normal body size? It sounds just like the beef industry. And, have we here a solution to the vanishing bee problem? Is it one that the CCD Working Group, or indeed, the scientific world at large, will support? Will media coverage affect government action in dealing with this issue?

These are important questions to ask. It is not an uncommonly held opinion that, although this new pattern of bee colony collapse seems to have struck from out of the blue (which suggests a triggering agent), it is likely that some biological limit in the bees has been crossed. There is no shortage of evidence that we have been fast approaching this limit for some time.

We've been pushing them too hard, Dr. Peter Kevan, an associate professor of environmental biology at the University of Guelph in Ontario, told the CBC. And we're starving them out by feeding them artificially and moving them great distances. Given the stress commercial bees are under, Kevan suggests CCD might be caused by parasitic mites, or long cold winters, or long wet springs, or pesticides, or genetically modified crops. Maybe it's all of the above...

Another site..
ORGANIC STANDARDS AND GUIDELINES IN ORGANIC APICULTURE
http://www.beesfordevelopment.org/info/proceedings_HTW2/organic_apiculture_standards_guidelines.htm


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lin52

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Re: Honeybee Die-Off

« Reply #16 on: May 16, 2007, 05:24:58 AM »

Found a very scary article on GMO and the honey bee die-off: http://www.blacklistednews.com/view.asp?ID=3220 Proof Bees Dying Due to GM Crops? GM Genes 'Jump Species Barrier'. Let's just hope this isn't true as the implications are staggering. Can't fool Mother Nature.


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Re: Honeybee Die-Off

« Reply #17 on: May 16, 2007, 07:37:30 AM »

We will pay the price for messing with mother nature!!!


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Helen

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Re: Honeybee Die-Off

« Reply #18 on: May 16, 2007, 07:38:09 PM »

One of the articles I read said the CCD did not correspond with the areas planted in GM crops. Those crops have been shown to be toxic and have all kinds of scary (VERY scary) effects, and reportedly kill bees. They also escape from their planted areas. Many GM crops have already escaped and pollinated normal crops. But GM crops do not seem to be the explanation for CCD so far. These frankenfoods have been approved for use without environmental impact studies, and they have shown to have a variety of toxic effects on a variety of species. So no environmental studies and no studies on human toxicity, just blanket approval for these money grubbing mad scientist chemical companies to alter the DNA of our food, possibly irrevocably, into something toxic. I don't know how any bees are going to survive if they have to contend with GM crops AND toxic food supplements. We have seen from the pet food that "additive A" plus "additive B" can combine inside our bodies and create new compounds that are lethal. That could also happen to bees. Maybe in making the honey, a new compound is forming...a compound that smells bad to creatures that would normally steal honey from bees.


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cheetah-dog

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Re: Honeybee Die-Off - Canadian Article from July 2005

« Reply #19 on: May 17, 2007, 09:27:04 AM »

From an article entitled "BEES ABUZZ FOR UNIVERSITY POLLEN SUBSTITUTE".... Sound Familiar? Huh

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So Saffari set out to develop an effective diet, testing more than 225 feed ingredients over the course of a decade. He has partnered with Grain Processes Enterprises Ltd., in Scarborough to manufacture and distribute the product under the registered trade name “Feedbee.” The research has also been supported by the Ontario Beekeepers’ Association and the National Research Council’s Industrial Research Advancement Program.

Before now, most commercial pollen substitutes were unpalatable or nutritionally poor, made up mostly of sugar and soya flour or yeast. The U of G diet, fed to bee colonies includes a proprietary combination of ingredients that build up protein in bees’ bodies at the same rate as natural pollen. Better yet, “the bees really like it,” Kevan said.

Contacts:
Peter Kevan
(519) 824-4120, Ext. 52479


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cheetah-dog

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Re: Honeybee Die-Off

« Reply #20 on: May 17, 2007, 09:30:47 AM »

On my previous post I neglected to state that the University mentioned is UNIVERSITY OF GUELPH in Canada.


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Re: Honeybee Die-Off

« Reply #21 on: May 18, 2007, 12:54:03 AM »

Has there been any checking into the wood that the hives are made out of? There was just a report on the news of the Fema trailers that the people displaced by Katrina are living in as being made with the cheapest materials possible and one of those is the toxic walls containing all the formaldahyde making people sick from living and breathing these toxic fumes in the particle board. Might be something worth checking out for the beekeepers. Thank goodness organic bee hives are safe. Maybe more will become organic hives after this.


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lin52

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Re: Honeybee Die-Off

« Reply #22 on: May 18, 2007, 05:23:39 AM »

An article saying that organically farmed bees not as affected by colony die-off as other methods: http://www.organicconsumers.org/articles/article_5194.cfm
Organic Bees Are Thriving While Pesticide Intensive Conventional Bee Hive Colonies Are Collapsing


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cheetah-dog

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Re: Dead Beekeeper

« Reply #23 on: May 18, 2007, 07:22:57 AM »

Klondike:

Wow, good find. Looks like he was probably NOT an organic farm, LOL! Note all of the chemical looking containers. Wonder if they will be tested.

This farm does not look like it was active so I wonder if he had alot of other problems with the law.


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CodyBear

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Re: Honeybee Die-Off

« Reply #24 on: May 18, 2007, 08:34:47 AM »

Quote from: lin52 on May 18, 2007, 05:23:39 AM

Well, DUH! What did they think would happen? Spray insecticide all around + bees are insects = dead bees.
That was a no brainer, but these industries that use these chemicals don't ever think past their bank deposits and profit.


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Helen

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Re: Honeybee Die-Off

« Reply #25 on: May 24, 2007, 08:42:53 PM »

I have come to believe that the bees were fed beefeed made out of GMO wheat. That would explain their deaths, why the undeveloped larvae (that haven’t eaten it yet) are still developing normally, and why beehive opportunists are not taking the honey from the stricken hives like they normally would. I really think this GMO trend is the single biggest threat to the human race we have ever cooked up. Once the stuff escapes, there is just no stopping it from infecting an entire plant species. Seeds travel. Pollen travels. These modified foods are dangerous in ways that have not even been studied.


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cynthiak23

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Re: Honeybee Die-Off

« Reply #26 on: May 29, 2007, 07:10:53 AM »

Are Honey Bees the Canary in the Mineshaft?

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Early coal mines would routinely bring a caged canary into new coal seams. Canaries are especially sensitive to methane and carbon monoxide, which made them ideal for detecting any dangerous gas build-ups. As long as the canary in a coal mine kept singing, the miners knew their air supply was safe. A dead canary in a coal mine signalled an immediate evacuation.
Today, the practice of using a canary in a coal mine has become part of coal mining lore, but the ideology behind it has become a popular expression. The phrase living like a canary in a coal mine often refers to serving as a warning to others. The actual canary in a coal mine had little control over its fate, but it continued to sing anyway. From www.wisegeek.com

Albert Einstein made the statement ” If honey bees become extinct, human society will follow in four years.” He was speaking in regard to the symbiotic relationship of all life on the planet. All part of a huge interconnected ecosystem, each element playing a role dependant on many other elements all working in concert creating the symphony of life. Should any part of the global body suffer, so does the whole body.

Many people would be surprised to know that 90% of the feral (wild) bee population in the United States has died out. Recent studies in the United Kingdom and the Netherlands have shown that bee diversity is down 80 percent in the sites researched, and that “bee species are declining or have become extinct in Britain.” The studies also revealed that the numbers of wildflowers that depend on pollination have dropped by 70 percent. Which came first, the decline in wildflowers or the decline in pollinators, has yet to be determined. If bees continue to die off so would the crops they support and with that would ensue major economic disruption and possibly famine.

In the US, bee keepers are experiencing unprecedented die offs of bees some losing as much as 80% of their colonies. Commercial beekeepers in 22 states have reported deaths of tens of thousands of honeybee colonies. So far the cause remains unexplained and somewhat mysterious. It is being called Colony Collapse Disorder (CCD) and is causing agricultural honeybees nationwide to abandon their hives and disappear and raising worries about crops that need bees for pollination. It’s a kind of mass suicide in the bee world. “There have been cases where there have been these die-offs of bees before, but we have never seen it to this level,” said Maryann Frazier, a Pennsylvania State University entomologist. “One operation after another is collapsing.”

Bees have done quite well for millions of years, in the last 60 years that began to change. In recent years, beekeepers have been losing 25 percent of their hives each winter. Thirty years ago, the rate was 5 percent to 10 percent, said Keith Tignor, the state apiarist for Virginia.
The unusual phenomenon was first noticed by eastern beekeepers starting last fall. Researchers, including some connected with the Penn State University College of Agricultural Sciences, have identified some of the possible contributors, but have not yet found a single cause. Initial studies on bee colonies experiencing the die-offs have revealed a large number of disease organisms, with most being “stress-related” diseases but without any one agent as the culprit. Climate chaos and extreme weather seem to be a major factor.

It is hard to tell if wild honey bee populations have been affected by the CCD disorder because Varroa mites have “pretty much decimated the wild honey bee population over the past years,” said Maryann Frazier of The Pennsylvania State University Department of Entomology. “This has become a highly significant, yet poorly understood problem that threatens the pollination industry and the production of commercial honey in the United States… Because the number of managed honeybee colonies is less than half of what it was 25 years ago, states such as Pennsylvania can ill afford these heavy losses.”

Dennis van Engelsdorp, acting state apiarist with the Pennsylvania Department of Agriculture said “Every day, you hear of another operator, It’s just causing so much death so quickly that it’s startling.”

Lee Miller, director of the Beaver County extension office, said the deaths appear to be stress-related, but that stress could come from several sources. Dennis van Engelsdorp of the Pennsylvania Department of Agriculture said that initial studies found a large number of disease organisms present, with no one disease being identified as the culprit. And while studies and surveys have found a few common management factors among beekeepers with affected hives, no common environmental agents or chemicals have been identified.

University of California Davis entomologist Eric Mussen specializes in bees. He thinks the answer lies in last summer’s lack of wild flowers, nationwide. Janet Katz, a beekeeper in Chester, NJ, says the weather is having a major impact, “The weather last season was not cooperative,” she said. “Over the course of the season it was too wet, too dry, too hot and too cold, all at the wrong times.” Bees store honey every autumn — a hive needs 60 pounds to survive the winter — but with this year’s warm weather, they ate a lot, and beekeepers had to supplement with sugar syrup.

Florida apiarists say citrus growers are compounding the problem by spraying pesticides to kill off a dangerous pest that menaces fruit trees, wiping out bees at the same time. While a combination of problems is putting the bee population in peril, it’s the phenomenon of the animals suddenly deserting their hives, never to return, that has observers most baffled.
“There have been cases where there have been these die-offs of bees before, but we have never seen it to this level,” said Maryann Frazier, a Pennsylvania State University entomologist. “One operation after another is collapsing.”

At stake is the work the honeybees do, pollinating more than USD 15 billion worth of US crops, including Pennsylvania’s apple harvest, the fourth-largest in the nation, worth USD 45 million, and New Jersey’s cranberries and blueberries.

While a few crops, such as corn and wheat, are pollinated by the wind, bees help pollinate more than 90 commercially grown field crops, citrus and other fruit crops, vegetables and nut crops. Without these insects, crop yields would fall dramatically and some tangerines and pecans would cease to exist. Agronomists estimate Americans owe one in three bites of food to bees.”

All of the following are dependant on bees, apples, pears, tangerines, peaches, soybeans, pumpkins, squash, cucumbers, cherries, blueberries, raspberries, blackberries, strawberries, carrots, broccoli and avocados. And do we realise bees pollinate almonds? California has the biggest almond groves in the world, supplying 80 percent of the nuts on the market; they currently have to import millions of bees to pollinate the groves.

There are several unusual things about the phenomena and one common factor that cannot be attributed to be the direct cause but may be an “aggravating other conditions” factor and that is temperature fluctuations.

No single cause drought chemicals/pesticides, mites, bacteria, a fungus or virus seems to be common to all the events or even indicated as a cause in any single event. Extreme weather and temperature fluctuations seem to play a major role stressing the bees and weakening their immune systems.

There are no bee bodies; they simply all disappear, all adult bees are simply gone, sometimes leaving a queen and a few young hatched workers. This is unheard of, since normally a bee colony will do almost anything to protect its queen.

The hive is left intact, with capped cells of honey and bee bread.
Another unusual factor is that bees sensing a dying colony nearby aren’t going in right away and killing the other bees and robbing the hive of honey, like they usually do for example when the bees have died of parasites or disease.

- Researchers have also noted few signs of damage from wax moths and small hive beetles taking advantage of dead colonies.

According to David Tarpy, a bee specialist at NC State, “Bees die all the time, although this year seems to be worse than normal.” The difference now is that none of the “usual suspects” are to blame, Tarpy said. “That’s what makes it problematic.” Also, unlike when bees are killed by some other causes (disease, mites), there are no dead bees littering the bottom of a hive. The bees are simply gone, he said, or perhaps a queen and a few younger bees remain, but the adults have disappeared.

Reports of the situation began to come in over the fall and winter, but scientists don’t yet have an answer. It might be a disease, a pest or an environmental factor or even a combination of effects making bees vulnerable to an existing problem. Now, the bees have sealed themselves inside the hives to stay warm, and the keepers can’t open the structures until spring. Neither entomologists nor growers can say what will happen when the 2007 growing season for most of the country’s crops starts. As a result, some people are really worried.

Diana Cox-Foster, a professor of entomology at Penn State University, has been working on the problem for months now. She says the die-off is unprecedented, and she’s made some dramatic discoveries. For example, the normally resilient bees she dissected showed traces of not one or two diseases, but nearly every disease known to affect them over the past century. They had all the diseases at once, a sign their immune systems have been compromised. “The bees are immuno-compromised, being stressed somehow,” she said. Some could be related to the severe weather swings we’ve seen over the past few years. But many questions remain unanswered.

She and the other scientists working on the CSI-style case don’t think this is just a cyclical thing. It’s uncommon, unusual, and frightening to everyone associated with the often-overlooked industry. No one is sure just how bad it will be when the hives are opened in late march.

Where does milk come from? “The bees pollinate the alfalfa, which feeds the cows, which give the milk. Honeybees are one of the main links in our world. They really need to be nurtured.” Jerry Hayes of the Florida Department of Agriculture worries the bee is the canary in the mine shaft, “telling us something is happening that will have ramifications for us down the road. “I think the bees are so stressed, they are saying, ‘I give up,’” said Hayes, Since the mid-1980s, parasitic mites have been devastating the honey bee population across the country, including the South-eastern US. In North Carolina, the number of kept beehives in the state has dropped by 44 percent, and about 95 percent of wild bees have been wiped out, according to North Carolina State entomologist David Tarpy.

A series of hurricanes in 2004, including Katrina in 2005, destroyed thousands of honey bee colonies, decimating the vital Gulf Coast bee industry. Many of the pollinators for other parts of the country traditionally came from these beekeepers. The economic impact of these storms, especially Katrina is yet to be determined.

“Replacing the Gulf Coast bee colonies, although highly important, is not enough. It is obvious that the huge losses suffered during the past 16 years must be dealt with to provide security for our future honey bee-dependent food supplies. It will take a well-defined series of coordinated efforts by all components of the beekeeping industry and the involvement of local, state and federal governmental entities to solve this potentially disastrous situation,” says John Roberts, a beekeeper and President of Nature Technics Corporation.

]There has been a sixty-year decline in pollinators.The honeybees and native bees may live in far more harmony than cats and dogs, but the modern world has not been in harmony with them. The last 60 years have been rough on all pollinators. In the 1940s there were over five million managed colonies of honeybees in the United States. Today there are just over two million, and their numbers are declining, both in North America and worldwide.

The entire world now faces a decline of native pollinators. Over 100 species of birds and more than 80 mammals that pollinate are considered threatened or extinct by the International Union for the Conservation of Nature and Natural Resources (IUCN), a network that includes scientists, experts, government agencies and non-governmental organizations from around the world. Each country has its own tale to tell. In southern India, nearly all of the native bees died in the 1990s when they became infected with an imported virus. In Iraq, smoke from the burning oil wells during the Gulf War decimated most of the country’s bee colonies.

In summary plants and animals remote in the scale of nature are bound together by a web of complex relations resulting from dependencies we have yet to fully understand. Every creature seems to play a role even, parasites serve a purpose. We are just beginning to understand the beneficial symbiotic relationship between the human body and certain bacteria. We are dependant on many other species and any failure of one part of the ecosystem can create a domino effect causing disruption throughout the entire chain of life. All plants and animals are vulnerable to climate chaos which seem to be having a major impact. Whether or not we are responsible for climate chaos is not as important an issue as to how humanity will adapt. It could also be that our methods centred on mass production and factory farming are in conflict with nature, as we can see in the case of avian flu, we may be creating a world of pestilence having forgotten that we are part of nature and there is a natural order, balance and harmony that needs to be maintained in the dance of life. Like any species in nature that gets out of hand, nature has a way to keep it in check, and humankind may be the next species in line for severe adjustment or even step-by-step eradication.
By Richard Thomas Gerber
http://blog.targethealth.com/?p=58


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Re: Honeybee Die-Off

« Reply #27 on: May 29, 2007, 09:18:03 AM »

Re-engineer the honeybees with, say, bits of DNA from some GM species so they are resistant to pesticides, kind of like Roundup Ready bees. Of course, the honey they produce might cause lumpy things in the intestinal tracts of those who eat it. According to "Seeds of Deception" (a riveting read, by the way), the genetic changes can indeed jump the species barrier and more.

http://www.seedsofdeception.com/utility/showArticle/?objectID=65

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Re: Honeybee Die-Off

« Reply #28 on: May 29, 2007, 09:28:02 AM »

This is the excerpt that I wanted to include in my previous post about Seeds of Deception re: trans-species jumps. The cauliflower mosaic virus (CaMV) "promoter" is apparently commonly used in the "gene gun" to activate the genetic changes.

The CaMV promoter is attached to inserted foreign genes in nearly all genetically engineered foods. It overpowers the cells’ own self-regulatory mechanisms so as to permanently turn on the foreign inserted gene and produce large amounts of the transgene proteins. Without the promoter, the gene would likely be dormant in the DNA, unexpressed. Scientists use the CaMV because it is aggressive and because it works in the DNA of all types of plants.

The assumptions used by biotech advocates as the basis of safety claims were that the CaMV:

Is stable
Will only turn on the gene to which it was attached
Is plant specific and will not function in mammals, including humans, and
Will not transfer from food to gut bacteria or internal organs;

Each of these assumptions have been contradicted.

http://www.responsibletechnology.org/utility/showArticle/?objectID=208


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Ren

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Re: Honeybee Die-Off

« Reply #29 on: May 29, 2007, 12:04:02 PM »

Thanks Marilyn for your interest in keeping this topic alive. Here is my repost. btw my puppys name is Ren, I sometimes use Flamin, or Beth. I will repost what Helen and I discussed, and other posts I did, if I can find them. Continue with your research on this important topic, and let me know if and when the FDA is finished with their testing. Or if any independant labs test.
Sincerely, Flamin, a.k.a. Flamineagle, Beth, and Ren too:)

Flamin Says:

April 30th, 2007 at 3:46 pm
It’s high Time to start testing The protein supplement for honey bees too.

Colony Collapse Disorder (or CCD) is a poorly understood phenomenon involving the massive die-off of a beehive or bee colony. The BBC has referred to it as VBS (Vanishing Bee Syndrome).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colony_Collapse_Disorder

protein supplement for honey bees could contain these chemicals too.

soybean products, corn products, wheast imported from China(yeast grown on milk protein, whey)and corn by products.

Wheast (R) or whey yeast (Saccharomyces fragilis), and torula yeast (Candida utilis)Beltsville Bee Diet®

http://www.honeybee.com.au/Library/Beefeeds.html

expanded thread here.
http://www.alien-earth.org/forum/message.php?message=52153&mpage=1&showdate=4/29/07

Helen Says:

April 30th, 2007 at 3:50 pm
Flamin: OMG, since when do they give protein concentrate to BEES? No wonder they are all dead for unidentifiable reasons!

Helen Says:

April 30th, 2007 at 3:53 pm
Talk about terror on our food crops. We can’t even grow any crops without bees.

Flamin Says:

April 30th, 2007 at 4:00 pm
Helen, for a very long time I’m afraid. I made an expanded thread about it with many links to the protein bee feed. I’m a member here, I have a little chi puppy, and also my family eats lots of soybean, and rice gluten products. So I’m worried for us all! I don’t think anyone has looked into the bee feed however, but I’m sure others besides me have wondered if they have tested it yet! This would explain a lot about the Colony Collapse Disorder. Or a least rule it out! Wheast is also imported from China. However the protein supplement in bee feed, contains glutens to form it into cakes too. Unless the beekeeper uses the liquid form, however the wheast is in both.

Flamineagle Says:

April 30th, 2007 at 7:29 pm
Sorry, I didn’t mean to depress you Pat. However the more question we ask, and dig out information, the faster we can get to the root of this and resolve it. I’m not waiting for the FDA to help me, I’m doing the research and leg work like everyone else here. The FDA/Codex knew about this for years, so it is more wide spread then we realize. If you can Helen, ask your friend the beekeeper about this. I also found Wheast is used in fertilizer. Spinach, cantaloupe tainted fertilizer/food connection? If the wheast is tainted to, it would explain a lot. Many bee keepers use protein bee food to stave off starvation in the bee hive, and to boost production. Wheast is a yeast product derived from by-products in the manufacture of cottage cheese, ie soybean, milk and rice milk. Bee feed also contains many other ingredients. Different companies make bee food, however I haven’t been able to get any ingredients listed. A few companies claim no use of wheast, corn, soy, or rice by products.
China also makes
Lyophilized Queen Bee Larva Powder
Try this site.
http://www.made-in-china.com/
type in bee food, or bee
Just one of the many companies, there are many.
http://www.honeybeeworld.com/misc/pollen/default.htm

You may find more.
Flamin Says:

April 30th, 2007 at 7:37 pm
YaYa if it is a fungus, it could be from the use the wheast.

Wheast soybean products, corn products, wheast imported from China(yeast grown on milk protein, whey)and corn by products.

Wheast (R) or whey yeast (Saccharomyces fragilis), and torula yeast (Candida utilis)Beltsville Bee Diet®

Yeast overgrowth?

Sorry, I didn’t mean to depress you Pat. However the more question we ask, and dig out information, the faster we can get to the root of this and resolve it. I’m not waiting for the FDA to help me, I’m doing the research and leg work like everyone else here. The FDA/Codex knew about this for years, so it is more wide spread then we realize. If you can Helen, ask your friend the beekeeper about this. I also found Wheast is used in fertilizer. Spinach, cantaloupe tainted fertilizer/food connection? If the wheast is tainted to, it would explain a lot. Many bee keepers use protein bee food to stave off starvation in the bee hive, and to boost production. Wheast is a yeast product derived from by-products in the manufacture of cottage cheese, ie soybean, milk and rice milk. Bee feed also contains many other ingredients. Different companies make bee food, however I haven’t been able to get any ingredients listed. A few companies claim no use of wheast, corn, soy, or rice by products.
China also makes
Lyophilized Queen Bee Larva Powder
Try this site.
http://www.made-in-china.com/
type in bee food, or bee
Just one of the many companies, there are many.
http://www.honeybeeworld.com/misc/pollen/default.htm

You may find more. I’m going to make dinner now. Whatever that ends up to be, I don’t know;)

Beth Says:

April 30th, 2007 at 7:43 pm
I can’t seem to post. trying again.
Sorry, I didn’t mean to depress you Pat. However the more question we ask, and dig out information, the faster we can get to the root of this and resolve it. I’m not waiting for the FDA to help me, I’m doing the research and leg work like everyone else here. The FDA/Codex knew about this for years, so it is more wide spread then we realize. If you can Helen, ask your friend the beekeeper about this. I also found Wheast is used in fertilizer. Spinach, cantaloupe tainted fertilizer/food connection? If the wheast is tainted to, it would explain a lot. Many bee keepers use protein bee food to stave off starvation in the bee hive, and to boost production. Wheast is a yeast product derived from by-products in the manufacture of cottage cheese, ie soybean, milk and rice milk. Bee feed also contains many other ingredients. Different companies make bee food, however I haven’t been able to get any ingredients listed. A few companies claim no use of wheast, corn, soy, or rice by products.
China also makes
Lyophilized Queen Bee Larva Powder
Try this site.
http://www.made-in-china.com/
type in bee food, or bee
Just one of the many companies, there are many.
http://www.honeybeeworld.com/misc/pollen/default.htm

You may find more.

Beth Says:

April 30th, 2007 at 8:46 pm
SandyC, It may not say made in China. Many USA companies made products here, but buy ingredients from other countries cutting costs. Thats’ why I was surprised to learn Rolay Canin USA, imported vegetable proteins from China. Not that I have anything against China, I just thought Royal Canin was from the USA. Made in the USA, takes on a whole new meaning to me now. They can say made in the usa, but buy the ingredients from other countries. That’s very misleading to me.

btw I read the box for my dinner. It contained,soybean protein, rice protien, torula yeast, organic wheat gluten,expeller soybean oil, , to name just a few ingredients in my veggie burgers! God only knows where the ingredients came from!

Helen Says:

April 30th, 2007 at 9:15 pm
At least it said where it was made. So few things do.

Beth Says:

April 30th, 2007 at 9:32 pm
they also make Brewer’s Yeast Powder, and other types of yeast, in pet, human, and bee food.
http://www.made-in-china.com

depending on the species of yeast, and on what medium it was grown in, such as grain or sugarcane sap.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeast

Wheat gluten - also called seitan (pronounced SAY-tahn), wheat meat, wheat-meat, wheatmeat, gluten meat, or simply gluten - is a foodstuff made from the gluten of wheat. It is made by washing dough made from wheat flour in water until the starch is rinsed away, leaving only the gluten, which can then be cooked and processed in various ways.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheat_gluten_(food)

China wastes nothing, so if the tainted glutens, rice proteins, ect came from China, I’d say check the yeast/whey products too.
btw Royal Canin uses Brewer’s Yeast , where they and others buy it from is anyone’s guess. All I know is these products are in just about everything people, animals, fish, and bee food.
Flamin Says:

April 30th, 2007 at 11:58 pm
“All vegetable protein from China is being detained. It includes the following: Wheat Gluten, Rice Gluten, Rice Protein, Rice Protein Concentrate, Corn Gluten, Corn Gluten Meal, Corn By-Products, Soy Protein, Soy Gluten, Proteins (includes amino acids and protein hydrosylates), Mung Bean Protein”.

check your pet food, human food, any farm animal feed, hatchery fish feed, any small pet foods ( turtel, fish, hamsters, rabbits, ect.) And ALL Honey bee supplements.

http://www.itchmo.com/

Yeast is made after the gluten process. when will they check bee feed?
we import bee food, bee products & bees from china.

Mother Nature’s bioterrorism

By Laura H. Kahn | 27 April 2007

Bioterrorists, in this case Mother Nature, couldn’t have picked a better target against agriculture: honeybees. Cornell University’s Roger Morse and Nicholas Calderone estimate that the value honeybees contribute to U.S. agriculture through pollination grew from $9.3 billion in 1989 to $14.6 billion in 2000. (See “The Value of Honeybees as Pollinators of U.S. Crops in 2000?
http://www.thebulletin.org/columns/laura-kahn/20070427.html

Helen Says:

May 1st, 2007 at 12:13 am
Flamin, I emailed a copy of your first bee post with the links to my friend. He may be travelling, as he often is, so I don’t know when I might hear back, and also he doesn’t have any bees now. I am wondering what chemical reaction might be going on inside the bees. What is the internal Ph of a bee, for example? Those Canadian scientists got the reaction between melamine and cyanuric acid at the ph of a (cat?) kidney. I bet anything this crap is what is killing the bees!!!!! The articles I read earlier seemed to indicate the bees’ immune systems had crashed and the bees they were studying had not just one or two diseases, but all of them. I will look up that first email and see if I can still access the article. If I find it I will put it right here.

Helen Says:

May 1st, 2007 at 12:19 am
Flamin: Here is the article I received in late february.

http://www.intentblog.com/archives/2007/02/thomas_gerber_m.html

beehiver Says:

May 1st, 2007 at 10:14 am
Hi everyone, I am new to posting here. Here are some snips from a couple articles about cyanuric acid. Since there seems to be concern about melamine + cyanuric acid present together, this may add to the info-gathering effort. Please feel free to pass this info along, or move it to a better location. Itchmo is a big place, and I wasn’t sure the best place to put this.
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from http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/picrender.fcgi?artid=1775396&blobtype=pdf

Title: Chemical, Bacteriological, and Toxicological Properties of Cyanuric Acid and Chlorinated Isocyanurates as Applied to Swimming Pool Disinfection A Review
Am J Public Health. 1974 Feb;64(2):155-62
PMID: 4594286

“Melamine reacts at pH 5.8 with cyanuric acid, yielding an insoluble, chemically defined compound containing 50.58 per cent of cyanuric acid.

Chronic Toxicity
CYANURIC ACID AND CYANURATES

Oral daily administration of 30 mg of cyanuric acid per kg of body weight to guinea pigs and rats for 6 months caused dystrophic changes in their kidneys, but daily doses of 3.0 mg per kg of cyanuric acid or 10 mg per kg of monosodium cyanurate apparently had no adverse effect.”

from http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/picrender.fcgi?artid=1474314&blobtype=pdf

Title: A review of toxicology studies on cyanurate and its chlorinated derivatives.
Environ Health Perspect. 1986 Nov;69:287-92.
PMID: 3545805

page 4 - “In these studies, sodium cyanurate was administered at concentrations up to 5375 ppm (maximum solubility limit for cyanurate). The only adverse effect observed in test animals was the finding of bladder calculi with accompanying bladder epithelial hyperplasia in a few high-dose male rats and mice. This finding was not unexpected, since sodium cyanurate is not appreciably water soluble and precipitates to form calculi in urine at high concentrations.” [snip]

[from the section subtitled “Chronic Toxicity.Carcinogenicity Studies]

“Sodium cyanurate was administered in the drinking water of CD rats and B6C3F1 mice for most of their lifetime; e.g., 2 years (Industry ad hoc Committee, unpublished observations) (11). CD rats were randomly assigned to treatments of 80 to 100/sex/group administered either 400, 1200, 2400, or 5375 ppm sodium cyanurate (maximum solubility level)”…

[page 5] “Treatment-related mortality was observed in some (13/100) high-dose male animals that died on test during the first 12 months of the study. Mortality was attributed to the development of calculi in the urinary tract of test animals. The urethra of the male rat is anatomically more susceptible to blockage from calculi than that of the female. The high concentrations of cyanurate administered in drinking water favored the development of calculi in the urinary tract. Susceptible males that could not pass calculi were thought to have succumbed to secondary effects such as uremia from urinary tract obstruction. Pathologic changes secondary to urinary tract blockage were observed in some males that died on test and in some that were sacrificed at 12 months. These changes included hyperplasia, bleeding, and inflammation of the bladder epithelium, dilated and inflamed ureters, and renal tubular nephrosis. Slight tubular nephrosis was also observed in a few high-dose females during the first 12 months. These animals did not exhibit bladder calculi. Inflammatory lesions in the heart were also apparent in some of the high-dose males that died early.” [snip]

[page 5, col. 2, last paragraph] “No significant toxicity was apparent in subchronic and chronic toxicity studies in rats and mice. The only finding of significance resulted from physical effects of calculi that obstructed the urinary tract of susceptible male rats causing mortality and secondary pathologic effects.

The low toxicity of cyanurate is not unexpected, considering its chemical structure. Cyanuric acid is a member of the symmetrical triazine family. It is produced by the polymerization of urea to yield 2,4,6-trihydroxy-s-triazine. Compounds structurally related to cyanuric acid are quite stable in vivo as they are resistant to ring hydrolysis.”

original post can be found here at itchmo.
Melamine Spiking in Food “Widespread” For Years

http://tinyurl.com/2f3q6o


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