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HLM
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« on: May 10, 2007, 07:58:47 AM »

I wanted to share something with those who think looking at the first ingredient in a pet food is telling them something because it means absolutely nothing about the nutritional value of the food! In some cases, the exact opposite. Many of us are very ignorant, including myself, about pet food ingredients and you have to see the big picture to know what you're buying.  The first ingredient is NOT the basis of the food and if you buy a food that has meat listed as the first ingredient, you could actually be feeding your pet mostly grain. It's a little confusing but these articles explain, you must read, it's very eye opening...

Here is a glimpse into the first article:

"The ingredient list is of special interest to dog owners. Many look at the first ingredient and if it’s not a protein source like beef or chicken they assume that the food is low-quality.  They do this because it’s exactly what some pet food marketers and self-proclaimed pet food experts have taught them to do, even though it goes against all nutritional common sense."

PART I
http://www.animalpetsandfriends.com/Article/Commercial-Pet-Food-Myth-Busters--The-First-Ingredient--Part-1-/272

PART II
In Part 1 we talked about some of the tricks that pet manufacturers use to make their products look more appealing to consumers.
http://www.animalpetsandfriends.com/Article/Commercial-Pet-Food-Myth-Busters--The-First-Ingredient--Part-2-/273

Not trying to boast Kumpi, but the chart here explains it visually very well.
Scroll down to chart

http://www.kumpi.com

Scroll down about pet food labels
http://www.itchmo.com/read/a-pet-food-manufacturer-speaks-up_20070329
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« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2007, 12:50:38 PM »

Yep, HLM.  I posted about those same myths here on May 3rd in the Origen thread.

Keep reading up people.  But use your head.  Some info is good, some ain't so good.  Research everything, then research it all over again.  Ask questions, keep a notebook, take advantage of egroups like Yahoo's K9 Nutrition and also your own vet.

There's scads on resources available if you know where to look.
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« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2007, 12:57:22 PM »

from the first link:

"Ingredients are listed in descending order by weight. A protein source like “beef” or “chicken” will appear first in the list of ingredients because the water weight of the protein source simply outweighs the other ingredients. (Whole meat is very high in moisture and actually contains about 75% water.) So in some cases, the first ingredient may contribute a ton of water to the diet and very little nutrition."

so corn meal would contain even more corn by weight than corn?
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« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2007, 01:12:05 PM »

I'm not sure on the question about corn meal weight.  I have read that dry corn meal allows more meat to be added to the food because it helps to saturate. 

It really is soooo frustrating and too many pet food companies try to deceive about their ingredients.  I'm just sad that I have fed my two cats cheap Science Diet food most of their lives  :-(  Had I known, my oldest cat (who I recently put to sleep at 15 yrs old from kidney failure) might still be with me.  The one cat I have now will never eat junk cat food again.  I hope this recall situation turns out to be a blessing in disguise and we will all have longer living healthy pets in the future!!

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« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2007, 04:22:13 PM »

Thanks for the web sites.  We need all the info. we can get.  I keep adding more and more to my favorites to read.  Gret work.  Thanks again.
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« Reply #5 on: May 10, 2007, 07:16:08 PM »

Yes, thank you all for the great information.  I too thought Science Diet was a healthy food and I'm so mad at myself for not researching the ingredients before.  When the recall was first announced, my 5 yr old cat was on Iams reduced calorie dry and Science Diet Savory Cuts.  The day the recalls were announced I stopped both of those and switched to Natural Balance.  He was on that for a couple of weeks, then once those recalls happened I switched to KumpiKat dry and Wellness grain free canned.  I can not believe the difference in my cat.  His fur is so silky and shiny and he's trimmed down to his healthy weight by getting more protein and better overall ingredients.  I just got the felinespride raw this past weekend and am transitioning him to this so I expect to see even more positive changes in his health.  I will never go back to the brands/manufacturers with recalls.  I hate feeding the canned grain free Wellness that is made at ANI, but once the transition to raw is complete, he's off it for good.
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« Reply #6 on: May 10, 2007, 07:36:26 PM »


 I hope this recall situation turns out to be a blessing in disguise and we will all have longer living healthy pets in the future!!


i think many will. not everyone can afford the premium brands, but they will be able to chose a better affordable brand and not buy into marketing now that everyone has been through label reading 101, pet food ingredient reality 201, and PFI graduate studies  Wink

in regards to the corn meal, i could see that *might* work with meat but not sure if it would hold up for meat and bone meal and chicken meal as both are basically a dry ingredient? for me, raw and home prepared is easier than always comparing labels, as i learned a few years ago trying to find a good dalmatian diet with low purine proteins. but i guess according to the FDA vet, my dal (and cats) shouldn't be thriving! lol!~
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« Reply #7 on: May 12, 2007, 06:44:44 AM »

Straybaby, I hear you about your pets not supposed to be thriving on what you're feeding them.  My vet and the so-called "experts" keep telling me the same thing.  Yet, they have nothing to say when my friends live a lot longer than their breed says they should.  Happy Dog lived 21 years.  Youda lived 19 years.  Cody Bear is only 2 years old, and we've only just begun to live... (music in the background)
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« Reply #8 on: May 13, 2007, 02:26:29 PM »

I was amazed when this all started - that the so-called premium foods contained the same Ingredients as the Priority Cat's Delight dry (generic for Deli Cat) did.  That's what woke me up.  This whole recall woke me up to the fact that I may have killed fluffer unknowingly at the age of 14 (I had him since he was a kitten) - by feeding him what I thought was OKay food.

I will never feed trash in a bag/can again.  Siberia no longer throws up anything, neither does Baby Girl (but hers was very rare).  However, we make the best decisions we can - and while the information was helpful - I really don't feel like spending all my pet food dollars on Kumpi - when I can get the equivalent for less (and they also test their foods).

HLM - I applaud your happiness - but I'm not going with the myth of the first ingredient as an endorsement for Corn.  Just my 2 cents.
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« Reply #9 on: May 13, 2007, 05:53:44 PM »

karvskitties:  I'm curious, what do you feed your kitties?
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« Reply #10 on: May 13, 2007, 09:22:11 PM »

karvskitties:  I'm curious, what do you feed your kitties?

Well, this happened with a user by the name of Suruli whom posts on EBay's Animal boards (where I did most of my posting prior to here).  Everyone over there was doing the same as here - switching to raw/home diets - trying to switch to raw/home diets and failing  Shocked - or trying to research the best alternatives.

I started with a budget of $12 per month for Cat Food.  They recommended Chicken Soup for the Soul Dry, though some were using the more expensive brands.  My cats took very little time for the switch on that one.

Then I realized they needed wet food.  I picked up some cans of Eagle Pack Holistic Chicken & Lamb (since I didn't want the rice formulas).  I later learned it was made at Menu Foods (but because they need to ship the product back and test before distribution, and that was the closest plant).  I wanted to boycott Menu, so I picked up some Felidae.

Now, the guys kinda liked the Eagle, but refused the Felidae.  Baby Girl eats anything  Grin.  So - the determined folk that I am - I went 2/3 Eagle to 1/3 Felidae for the boys, and the opposite from Baby Girl.  At first was struggle, but no longer free feeding kibble, they finally turned aroudn.

Then had extensive conversation with Innova regarding their regular formula.  They sent out some coupons for cases (which I will be using).  Now - I still have the Eagle Pack case, and a few cans of Innova.  The boys are starting to like the Innova better - but because of my last bout with mixing - they will turn up their noses to pure Felidae, but they want partial Felidae in their foods.

So it becomes a total Meal Preparing experience.  Shocked

In the morning 1/3 cup Chicken Soup dry for the boys, about 1/4 cup for Baby Girl (she's 14).  In the evening -for the boys - 2 cans of Eagle to be followed by one can of Innova (maybe will turn the rest of the Eagle in, make sure Reber has the case of Innova, and just get it).  I mix some Felidae (about a heaping tablespoon) to the portion averaging about 1/3 can, and split.  For Baby Girl, 1/3 can or 2 large tablespoons of Felidae to about 1/2 tablespoon of the other.  Heat up a tad (add water - just a little - if its refrigerated - this also gives it a gravy flavor).  Sprinkle Parmesan Cheese on top - just a little.  Jimmy Kitty (whom is not used to wet food at all), gets about 6 kibbles of Chicken soup in his bowl.

Walla - happy kitties.

And the food budget went to about $50 or so per month (I must buy the 13.2 oz cans for the sake of budget - can't go much higher - so if the food isn't in a large can to split between kitties - then I won't buy it).
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