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Author Topic: FDA Suspends Temporary Emergency Permit of Pet Food Maker Evanger's  (Read 30849 times)
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5CatMom
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« Reply #165 on: May 14, 2008, 05:26:46 PM »

Mr. Weaver,

You're right.  We have been through a lot.  But we do appreciate you coming here to answer our concerns.

You write, "The ingredients we use are farmed/ranched here. The only ingredients that aren't from the US are our Lamb and Venison, which come from New Zealand."

So I have a question about the vitamins/premixes you use.  Are you saying those are from USA sources and USA made ingredients?  

The reason I ask is that it seems impossible for me to find vitamins that are made in the USA from USA originated ingredients.  Have you accomplished the impossible?

Also, I don't see that anyone here has called you a crook.  If you're referring to my post, please re-read it.  I'm refering to those who want to sell to you.  

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« Reply #166 on: May 14, 2008, 05:36:37 PM »

Mr Weaver- I do not like allegations that I am an extortionist ! If you were not talking about me say so outright & clearly.  I am extremely sorry that I ever did business with you,it cost me thousands of dollars and the health of my chihuahua. Now its costing me my name and reputation.  As I said on the phone and in previous posts,1 good thing came from this. My animals now eat quality food which I prepare myself. I repeat I have never posted anything untrue about your company and feel I have been more than fair. The first thing I posted when we got the test results[and the first thing posted about them on pfpsa] is that it tested clean on the unknown toxins test.I also stated that during my own research I found that pheasant is naturally very high in copper and it could be that your company simply overlooked that fact.How that is untrue or slanderous bewilders me. I am always happy to see pf companies respond here,however if you feel that being asked for clear and explicit answers is unfair feel free to stop replying.That will send a very clear message to your consumers.
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« Reply #167 on: May 14, 2008, 05:50:42 PM »

Lesliek, I never pointed my finger at you. The person who did try to extort us was demanding that we pay them thousands of dollars, so unless you demanded that of us, that person would not be you. I am not here to be defensive about anything. The FDA report that was issued did have some inaccuracies on it, but a lot of what was there was accurate. I am here to try and answer questions about us, and to expose us. We are not dishonest manufacturers, and we try to the best of our ability to make the best possible food. I think it is great that you make your own food for your dogs. In fact, making your own food is probably the best thing that you can do. The reality is that most of us cannot cook for our dogs every meal, so we must rely on commercial companies, like Evanger's, to feed our fur-children. We must form a balance of using the highest quality ingredients that we can find, along with testing for reasonable problems (which I again point out that we have never found a problem) and try to make it affordable. We obviously cannot compromise our ingredients, so we do all testing that we think appropriate to make a safe product. If we tested for everything, we would make a product so expensive that it would not be affordable to anyone. So you come back to the predicament of whether or not you have the time to cook for your pet. We believe that we are making one of the highest quality pet foods on the market, and whether or not anyone here cares, I'm still feeding it.

I'll be back later to answer additional questions that have been raised.
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5CatMom
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« Reply #168 on: May 14, 2008, 06:01:07 PM »

Mr. Weaver,

Thanks for hanging in there.  I'm sure we can all get on the same page.

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« Reply #169 on: May 14, 2008, 06:02:17 PM »

Since I have been told conflicting answers to whether or not you tested this batch of food,the only thing that will satisfy me and anyone else worried about it is for you to post these test results either here or on your website. Or both.I'm sorry if you feel put at a disadvantage,but ignoring a complaint for 11 months tends to make people not think well about your company. We are not stupid here or willing to accept blind reassurances. We have all spent the last year researching every ingredient and want full answers with printed backup and proof.It is unfortunately not a case of can you make time to homecook. It is can you take the chance on poisoning your furkids if you don't.The burden lies with you and other pf companies. We want proof in print that your food is safe.Take the time to read through some of the other threads here about problems with pf,or the memorials to pets who were killed by pf.Then maybe you will know that we want safety not low cost.
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« Reply #170 on: May 14, 2008, 06:17:53 PM »

Mr. Weaver, there is one fundamental for all the pet food companies to remember that seems
to have gotten lost: You're not producing pet food for the existing AAFCO/FDA standards in the OP.
It is being produced for consumption by family member pets of the consumers who support your company
by buying Evangers' product and are concerned in general now about the safety of all commercial pet food.
It's my belief that consumers' standards are much higher now than AAFCO's OP in terms of safety.

5CatMom asks a good question, as I have home-cooked, too, for my surviving pets and am unable to
find vitamins, minerals that are U.S. made. Perhaps the company could be surprised on further questioning
of its suppliers and does need to question them further. I don't know that, but it may be well advised.

This is certainly a time for re-examnation of company and industry-in-general practices of long standing that
led to commercial pet food recalls in 2004, 2005, and 2007. As a consumer who also spent many thousands of dollars
caring for renal failure pets, I would certainly be willing to pay higher prices for foods that were not going to cause a repeat.

So it may be time for companies to reconsider safety testing practices and programs, cost and competition considerations,
and arrive at new and better practices. I think that's the page 5Cat was alluding to.

Lesliek, I certainly understand your frustration in trying to deal with your situation. I have to wonder why a third
test wasn't done. I've had my share of unhappy experiences trying to deal with consumer concerns. I believe
many of us have.
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« Reply #171 on: May 14, 2008, 06:33:52 PM »

Can Mr Weaver answer a question for me?  The FDA said that the retorts werent being operated properly (not venting) and the firm's retort supervisors had not attended the required training schools.  Is this info accurate and if not, in what way? 

I just want to put my vote in for testing results posted too and in this day and age of melamine being everywhere, I would still think it would be one of the things to test for just to be safe.
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« Reply #172 on: May 14, 2008, 08:09:50 PM »

JJ jon- At least yours was a private response. After 11 mo's I got a check for $54.10 & the online implication that I am an extortionist. Gotta love this company ![Guess I am the least successful extortionist ever known, I ended up way in the red !]
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« Reply #173 on: May 14, 2008, 08:11:21 PM »

Forgot to add I will be contacting the FDA again tomorrow,so you might want to send me one of your warm & friendly letters too .
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« Reply #174 on: May 14, 2008, 08:15:44 PM »

The online information says more than words ever can:

http://itchmoforums.com/profiles/joelsher-u1841.html

Name:  joelsher
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Date Registered:  April 27, 2008, 01:15:06 PM
Last Active:  Today at 07:52:13 PM

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http://itchmoforums.com/profiles/jj-jon-u1880.html

Name:  JJ jon
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5CatMom
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« Reply #175 on: May 14, 2008, 08:19:22 PM »

A previous post reminded me to look up a couple of definitions.  Thought it might be helpful to review.  

slander
 
A type of defamation. Slander is an untruthful oral (spoken) statement about a person that harms the person's reputation or standing in the community. Because slander is a tort (a civil wrong), the injured person can bring a lawsuit against the person who made the false statement. If the statement is made via broadcast media -- for example, over the radio or on TV -- it is considered libel, rather than slander, because the statement has the potential to reach a very wide audience.

libel

An untruthful statement about a person, published in writing or through broadcast media, that injures the person's reputation or standing in the community. Because libel is a tort (a civil wrong), the injured person can bring a lawsuit against the person who made the false statement. Libel is a form of defamation, as is slander (an untruthful statement that is spoken, but not published in writing or broadcast through the media.

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Hope this is helpful to all concerned.

Mr. Sher, thanks for logging on this evening and viewing both this thread and Itchmo's warning.  Would appreciate your comments.  We have been down this road with other pet food companies.  One even had their attorney log on and make what some of us believed were threats.  That is why we are careful to make truthful statements based on personal experience.

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kaffe
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« Reply #176 on: May 14, 2008, 08:23:55 PM »





I certainly have no problem with you contacting the FDA.  However, I must warn you that if you proceed with any effort to slander our company, we will have no alternative but to file legal action against you personally.  Monetary amounts for damages could easily be in the millions, which we would seek to recover.
 
I would suggest that if you have any personal issues with using any of our products, then do not use them.  It would not be in either of our best interests for you to slander our company.
 
We appreciate your interest.
 
Respectfully,
Joel Sher, Vice President
Evanger's Dog & Cat Food Company, Incorporated
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Thank you Joel for you advise.  I wont. Wink



 Shocked Shocked Shocked

I am NEVER ever going to even LOOK at an Evangers' can or bag for feeeeaaaarrrr!!!!   Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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« Reply #177 on: May 14, 2008, 09:17:29 PM »

Mentions of lawsuits based on conflicting lab results seems rather unproductive in
a discussion of general overall considerations a company may want to take as a result of
consumer concerns about pet food safety in general since March 16, 2007. I'd say you've
been asked some honest questions. I'm hoping to see some responses addressing them.
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« Reply #178 on: May 14, 2008, 09:27:49 PM »

Why did JJ Jon remove their post?!   Huh  I was just going to ask what the problem with the food was that they were having...... Undecided
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Nabiya
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« Reply #179 on: May 14, 2008, 09:30:15 PM »

Maybe he got the call from the attorney, it's about that time at night.....
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