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Author Topic: FDA Suspends Temporary Emergency Permit of Pet Food Maker Evanger's  (Read 130653 times)
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« Reply #105 on: May 03, 2008, 07:16:40 PM »

Sandi- I can't post about it yet,hopefully soon.
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« Reply #106 on: May 03, 2008, 08:00:52 PM »

I understand Leslie K, please forgive me for prying.   Wink       
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« Reply #107 on: May 03, 2008, 08:28:09 PM »

Hold on -- I just read (in a prior post) that Felidae is made by Evangers. Does that mean Canidae is made by them as well?  That is the food we feed another dog.  This is nuts.

How did you guys learn which company makes which food(s)? And why do we have to be private detectives in order to find out what we are feeding our pets.  Angry

Thanks.   
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« Reply #108 on: May 03, 2008, 08:39:21 PM »

Hold on -- I just read (in a prior post) that Felidae is made by Evangers. Does that mean Canidae is made by them as well?  That is the food we feed another dog.  This is nuts.

How did you guys learn which company makes which food(s)? And why do we have to be private detectives in order to find out what we are feeding our pets.  Angry

Thanks.   

The canned Canidae and Felidae are made at Evangers, yes.  We learnt by calling both Evangers and Canidae many many moons ago.
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« Reply #109 on: May 03, 2008, 08:55:28 PM »

skinnydog- You can find some of the manufacturers & the foods they make at www.thepetfoodlist.com . There is a list of brands & a list of manufacturers. But like Kaffe said,a lot of it we have found out during phone calls.They usually will tell you only after you say you will not buy a food unless you know where it is made.They almost never are willing to put it in writing.
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« Reply #110 on: May 03, 2008, 08:56:52 PM »

Skinnydog, first of all welcome to Itchmo!  And yes, you are so right, we've had to almost become detectives to get answers.  I think we all learned with the 2007 pet food recalls that we werent getting upfront, honest answers and were getting brushed aside and basically being told to move along by pet food companies.  There are still so many unanswered questions, so many questions we didnt even know to ask until the pet food recalls when I and many others lost their pets and so many here have sick pets from eating the tainted food.  But there are so many great people here, it still amazes me every day the info that this group finds out.  Anyhow, new "detectives" are always welcome!   Wink
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« Reply #111 on: May 03, 2008, 09:03:37 PM »

Thanks very much!   I thought I did pretty good investigative work before switching foods in 07, but obviously I didn't go far enough!  Live and learn.  This is frustrating. 

I'm really bummed by this news.  The dogs LOVE Evangers and Canidae and we haven't had any stomach issues with either food.  Drat.  

Sandi, I'm so sorry you lost your pet.  My heart goes out to you. 
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« Reply #112 on: May 04, 2008, 03:10:42 AM »

skinnydog----welcome to itchmo. Cheesy..glad you see how crazy this is to have to be detectives to know what we are feeding our pets---stick around and help us try to begin to change this!!  We have lots of good people here doing all different things here and behind the scenes!! It is time to change the PFI and we need all the voices we can get! Wink
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« Reply #113 on: May 04, 2008, 03:51:45 AM »

Hi Skinnydog,

Welcome to Itchmo  Grin.

We're committed to finding safe food for our pets, and have been relentless in learning about what goes on within the pet food industry.  It's not a pretty picture.

About Canidae/Felidae.  I tried to get info from the company about their food, but they were not forthcoming with info of any kind, so I didn't use their food.  I need to revisit my notes, but I believe their dry food is (or was) made in Texas (but let me double check).  At the time, I was concerned that their co-packer might be Diamond.

If you have any questions, please ask and we'll try to help.  Again, great to have you here.

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« Reply #114 on: May 04, 2008, 07:53:06 AM »

Another source that managed to get manufacturer info out to us this year is the Whole Dog Journal.  This year they said they wouldn't consider any food for their Approved Food list unless the companies would reveal their manufacturers.  That brought out some listings that we didn't have available before.

According to their list, Canidae dry food is made by Western Pet Food Co./Canidae division, Hamlin TX.  It says the equipment is used to produce only their food, and they do very extensive testing of all ingredients, both in-house & by an independent lab, which tests for 250 contaminants.  Still, there have been complaints about the dry food on the Consumer Affairs website, so not sure what's going on with that food line.
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« Reply #115 on: May 04, 2008, 08:47:35 AM »

The consumer's "radar screens" have expanded considerably as a direct legacy of March 16, 2007.

The government is even trying to improve communication with stakeholders:
http://www.fsis.usda.gov/News_&_Events/2008_news_releases/index.asp
FSIS to Co-Host Public Meeting to Discuss Strategies for Improved Coordination During Foodborne Outbreaks (Apr 25, 2008)

When is industry going to expand its awareness of the kind of information the post-2007 recall consumer wants?
Glitzy ads and unsupported reassurance statements don't seem to be it for many consumers.
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« Reply #116 on: May 04, 2008, 09:12:41 AM »

While we can't expect "fast" government action, as consumers, we have a voice.

Perhaps with current issues like Evanger's and Nutro, and for future issues, that a Pet Food Consumer Petition be established where consumers can send a petition/letter drive to the pet food company being addressed and copy it to the FDA/CVM/PFI/AAFCO/APPMA/FTC and some media outlets.  Frankly, we're at the mercy of all of them.  This might be a take-charge of our consumer rights action plan to advance the issues.. what do you all think?

One thing we have learned is that adding our own words to the petitions makes them more effective.

I'd nominate Sandi for her most excellent response FDA query & response to Joel Sher and 5CatMom who is soooo organized to write them  Grin
 
Short recap of the Background of the issue;
Personal comments;
Results desired.

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I'm sitting here trying to think of the site where I do so many of them... wonder if they'd help set one up like that with the emails built into the function like theirs...

Maybe some of the sites can get together, Petitionz, Defendourpets, PFPSA, or even Itchmo main and set up a page for that somewhere, anywhere..


I remembered.. this is an example:

http://ucsaction.org/campaign/4_17_08_improve_climate_bill/?qp_source=wacucs%5factaspotlight







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« Reply #117 on: May 04, 2008, 12:48:23 PM »

Offly-irked, you're not alone in wanting independent consumer watchdog action on oversight of
problems experienced by consumers and confirmatory safety testing on commercial of pet food.
There's been many threads posted on Itchmo in the last year advocating that.

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« Reply #118 on: May 04, 2008, 12:58:13 PM »

Offly,  thank you for your nomination but its really all of us together who do the best job of all.  Wink One person finds something, like in this case 3Cat and reports it here and then we all take action in our own ways that bring about more info.  Carol, 5Cat, Trudy, Leslie K, Catbird, MaineCoonPeg, JustMe, Laurie, Klondike, Petslave, Kaffers, Nabiya, Menusux and so many others who's names I havent mentioned were here long before me and doing ALOT of stuff that has led to our voices (and our pets voices) being heard.  If you can figure out how to go about doing something like this, I know we would all join together to get a petition going, I think its a GREAT idea!!!!   
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« Reply #119 on: May 04, 2008, 03:09:03 PM »

Sandi, I agree, it's been a massive group effort from everybody.

What I mostly and very unclearly was referring to was your post to Joel Sher and getting that set up with the background, (can condition, FDA, Evanger's responses, FDA info you got) and your statement as a finishing paragraph in getting this done first for Evanger's.  It was short, concise and to the point. (Something I'm incapable of Smiley )  Evanger's keeps saying no botulism, but there has been no indication that they have even tested for it. I asked and got no response as of yet.. either from an email inquiry or a post to Sher asking if they had tested.

There have been some posts about the condition of the cans around and response to inquiries, and I think I have some bookmarked. Maybe others have direct experience with checking on them?

I'm 10thumbs when it comes to css or cgi webforms to accomplish this. Shibadiva? I think you mentioned doing websites? So, a person with website form email skills would be part of getting this done. I'd be happy to open my website for somebody to load the web stuff, or to tell me how to do it.

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