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« Reply #30 on: October 08, 2008, 07:40:00 AM »

Have one response so far...emailed to me today, Oct 8..

Dear Ms. Vxxxxxxxx,

 

Thank you for contacting Nature’s Variety.  We do not use distiller dried grains with soluble otherwise known as  DDGS in our products.   We use only quality ingredients in our products and go to great efforts to source these in addition to using as many organic ingredients as possible.   We hope you find this information helpful and we appreciate your patronage to Nature’s Variety.

 

Sincerely,

 

 

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« Reply #31 on: October 08, 2008, 11:39:20 AM »

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« Reply #32 on: October 08, 2008, 01:00:13 PM »

and here is Merrick's reply...

Hello Carol,

 

Thank you for your inquiry.  We do not use DDG’s in our products. 

 

Please let me know if there is anything else I can do for you.

 

Thank you,

DeDe

Merrick Pet Care

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« Reply #33 on: October 09, 2008, 08:31:27 AM »

Response from Wellness:

Our entire Wellness line is made of human-grade ingredients, therefore, do not contain the ingredients that you are inquiring about.
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« Reply #34 on: October 09, 2008, 10:13:14 AM »

Thank you

Just Me for the answer from Wellness still using Wellness dry as a snack at night.  Was concerned it maybe one of the ones using the DDG's
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« Reply #35 on: October 11, 2008, 12:23:59 PM »

Even though this is a piece about DDGS in livestock feed, it's interesting from the standpoint that DDGS are not all "created equal"--the composition of them differs from production to production.

http://www.purdue.edu/uns/x/2008b/080925IlelejiDDGS.html

Purdue University September  25, 2008
Ag engineers: Production issues dragging down DDGS

"An ethanol byproduct suitable for livestock feed could be easier sold and used if it was more uniform each time it is produced, said two Purdue University agricultural engineers.

"Dry distillers' grains with solubles (DDGS), the grain product left over after ethanol is produced from corn, is often chemically different from ethanol plant to ethanol plant and, sometimes, even within a plant, said Klein Ileleji and Richard Stroshine. Those differences can create shipping, storage and livestock feeding challenges, they said.

""The big issue with DDGS is the fact that the product is so variable,"
Ileleji said. "Obviously, that can have a huge impact on the final product and how it is handled."

""If livestock producers don't have a consistent feed product, it makes it difficult for them to cost effectively formulate a good feed that will provide their animals with the nutrition they need," Stroshine said.

"DDGS can take on different physical properties from batch to batch during the ethanol extraction and post-extraction processes, Stroshine said.

""In that process we break the corn down and let the starch ferment into ethanol," he said. "Whatever is left - the liquid remaining after ethanol is removed, along with the hulls, the germ, the protein and the gluten material - goes into the DDGS. These leftovers are separated into solid and liquid portions. The solids are sent to a rotary dryer, where different amounts of the liquid condensed solubles can be added back. Differences in the amounts of solubles added cause variations in composition and particle size."

"Individual DDGS particles can be larger or smaller, meaning some particles might be holding more sugars, oil and moisture than others, Ileleji said. When that happens, and under favorable environmental conditions such as high humidity and temperatures, DDGS particles can stick together and form clumps, or what Ileleji calls caking. Problems occur when DDGS cake up in bulk shipments transported by rail car or other means.

""When the product cakes up it can be very difficult to unload," Ileleji said. "That makes DDGS expensive to move. Because the product can cake up, two major rail carriers have stopped transporting DDGS.""

If DDGS are so inconsistent that there's a question as to the nutrition they deliver to livestock, it would seem that the same question would apply to their use in pet foods also.
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« Reply #36 on: October 12, 2008, 09:27:46 PM »

Thx for the differences in the final batches of this stuff-DDG's. Still could not with a clear conscience feed this to my pet.
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« Reply #37 on: November 01, 2008, 07:49:19 AM »

Just read this thread, wonder about Eagle Pack Holistic dry (I use that occasionally for Baby Girl for a little fiber) - though I have been moving to all wet.
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« Reply #38 on: August 03, 2009, 06:26:09 AM »

http://www.allaboutfeed.net/news/distiller%E2%80%99s-grains-raising-antibiotic-concerns-id3413.html

AllAboutFeed July 21, 2009

"Several studies have indicated that distiller’s grains contain antibiotics, which have been used to kill bacteria in the ethanol distilling process.

"The distillation process requires a combination of enzymes and yeast to convert corn into ethanol. But bacterial organisms present during distillation can sometimes out-compete yeast in the breakdown of this sugar.
 
"The easiest way to kill these bacteria is to use antibiotics, which not only linger following distillation; they also appear to be passed along to cattle in the DG.
 
"Until now, the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) hasn’t made a point of using antibiotics in ethanol distillation, but this may change.
 
"Samples of DG requested from 60 ethanol plants revealed the presence of four types of antibiotics: penicillin, virginiamycin, erythromycin and tylosin.
 
"Currently there already is a concern about the use of antibiotics in feed fed to poultry and pigs.
 
"A growing number of medical authorities fear that minute traces of antibiotics that have leaked through the path of feed and manure into the drinking water promote the growth of antibiotic-resistant bacteria.
 
"Water treatment facilities are not equipped to remove these antibiotic traces from drinking water.
 
"Also medical researchers are unsure of the extent to which these small traces of antibiotics in drinking water may contribute to the growing problem associated with antibiotic resistance."
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« Reply #39 on: August 04, 2009, 01:38:48 AM »

Thank you for contacting Nature’s Variety.  We do not use distiller dried grains with soluble otherwise known as  DDGS in our products.   We use only quality ingredients in our products and go to great efforts to source these in addition to using as many organic ingredients as possible.   We hope you find this information helpful and we appreciate your patronage to Nature’s Variety.


Hmmm. This sounds very familiar to something another pet food company I know just over the border from you might have said. Probably tell you they're a small family company next.

And as for this:

Our entire Wellness line is made of human-grade ingredients, therefore, do not contain the ingredients that you are inquiring about.

I've heard that one before as well.


There's only one way to end this madness.
Put the fxxxxxs out of business.
Go to your butcher and buy human grade meat and mix it with some of your own cooked vegetables. Meat on the bone. The occasional egg mixed in. Some raw bones to keep the teeth clean and breath sweet. Bake some small biscuits now and then from mashed veggies and dried liver sprinkles with some mashed rice and an egg to bind.
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« Reply #40 on: August 05, 2009, 01:05:55 AM »

The Cats Mother couldn't agree more. Please get on the soapbox as much as you want. We are all here to listen.
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« Reply #41 on: August 05, 2009, 06:36:25 AM »

I agree,I know everyone can't cook but even adding some homecooked or just meat scraps will help !
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« Reply #42 on: April 13, 2010, 12:41:24 PM »

http://www.ethanolproducer.com/article.jsp?article_id=6512

Ethanol Producer Magazine April 12, 2010

DDGS symposium set for May in Indianapolis

"The Distillers Grain Technology Council is hosting the14th annual Distillers Grains Symposium May 12-13 at the Sheraton Hotel and Suites at Keystone Crossing, Indianapolis, Ind.

"Several speakers at the two day event will be addressing distillers grain markets, including Dale Hill, ADM Alliance Nutrition Inc., speaking on the pet food industry expectations; Mike Blair, Pilgrim’s Pride Corp., on DDGS in broiler diets; and Tony Pescatore, University of Kentucky, on DDGS in poultry diets. Marketing issues will be covered by speakers including Daniel O’Brien, Kansas State University, on measuring supply; Linwood Hoffman, USDA, on analytical challenges regarding supply, consumption and price relationships; Sean Broderick, CHS Inc., on logistics; and, Richard Jelenik, CME Group, on DDG futures. Other speakers will cover mycotoxins, corn oil recovery, carbon budgets and sustainable corn production, amino acid profiles and regulating feed issues.

"The event organizers expect about 200 producers and industry professionals to attend. For the complete program and conference details, visit www.distillersgrain.org/symposium.

Just a reminder that the push to use DDGS in pet food hasn't disappeared.  Angry
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« Reply #43 on: April 13, 2010, 04:40:00 PM »

Boycotting the existing commercial products is crucial for future generations of companion animals. It's the only way
to stop this dispose of our waste products in commercial pet food madness.
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« Reply #44 on: April 13, 2010, 08:16:25 PM »

Thank you for contacting Nature’s Variety.  We do not use distiller dried grains with soluble otherwise known as  DDGS in our products.   We use only quality ingredients in our products and go to great efforts to source these in addition to using as many organic ingredients as possible.   We hope you find this information helpful and we appreciate your patronage to Nature’s Variety.


Hmmm. This sounds very familiar to something another pet food company I know just over the border from you might have said. Probably tell you they're a small family company next.

And as for this:

Our entire Wellness line is made of human-grade ingredients, therefore, do not contain the ingredients that you are inquiring about.

I've heard that one before as well.


There's only one way to end this madness.
Put the fxxxxxs out of business.
Go to your butcher and buy human grade meat and mix it with some of your own cooked vegetables. Meat on the bone. The occasional egg mixed in. Some raw bones to keep the teeth clean and breath sweet. Bake some small biscuits now and then from mashed veggies and dried liver sprinkles with some mashed rice and an egg to bind.
Make commercial pet food obsolete. Angry Angry Angry

Sorry to soapbox and hijack.

As you were...

Please list out what to use, quantities etc. for the small biscuit recipe. That sounds delish and Foxy Lady would love it. Sorry I missed asking about this earlier.
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