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Author Topic: FDA Suspends Temporary Emergency Permit of Pet Food Maker Evanger's  (Read 131823 times)
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3catkidneyfailure
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« Reply #75 on: April 28, 2008, 08:08:28 PM »

There are some worrisome things in reprocessing product depending on
how it is done that are described beginning on page 12 and following there, menusux.
I don't know that they are applicable here at all, of course. And, Kaffe, the schools
are described at the end.
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kaffe
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« Reply #76 on: April 28, 2008, 09:00:55 PM »

These processes are very complex and how you do them seems to determine whether you are making food or biological weapons.

Sorry, can't resist... this sounds like some days in my kitchen!!!!   Grin

Anyway, it appears from Sandi's communication with the FDA that wool is being attempted to be pulled over our collective eyes and cotton stuffed in our collective brains.
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« Reply #77 on: April 29, 2008, 02:17:00 AM »

Thanks Sandi for your efforts.  Big or small, these companies need to be accountable.

Jenny
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« Reply #78 on: April 29, 2008, 03:21:45 AM »

Big thank you to SandiK for not only contacting the FDA with her questions but also for sharing them with us... and also I am pleased to see the FDA responding to her... this is progress---of course not as fast as we want---but it still is a step in the right direction ....This is what can happen when many are working together Wink Smiley for the same cause!!
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5CatMom
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« Reply #79 on: April 29, 2008, 04:00:10 AM »

Thanks to Sandi and everyone for your work on this.

Just wondering, but has Evanger's changed ownership or taken on an equity partner?

Sounds like they may need a new management team.

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5CatMom
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« Reply #80 on: April 29, 2008, 05:45:00 AM »

Good article, RC.

Let's hope their "big plans" include adding a QA/QC department.

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« Reply #81 on: April 29, 2008, 05:57:12 AM »

Kathy,  I think the implication Evangers made that it was only a problem with paperwork was maybe wishful thinking on their part because FDA indicates it was a little more than just that.  This was what FDA said when I asked them:

"The firm had serious deviations form the mandatory provisions of 21 CFR parts 108 and 113, including lack of documentation of process adequacy and lack of processing filing with FDA for most of their processes.  The firm was operating the retorts improperly (not venting), failing to record critical process information including initial temperatures, temperature recording devices were recording temperatures higher than the mercury-in glass thermometers. The firm's retort supervisors had not attended the required training schools.
 
As correctly stated in the press release, the firm is operating under an Order of Need for Emergency Permit, which means it cannot introduce or deliver for introduction in interstate commerce any of its low--acid canned pet food. The regulation does allow the firm to have a processing authority evaluate the  processing of each lot for adequacy and to submit release requests in writing to FDA for specific lots."

I dont know why Evangers said they arent operating under emergency permit but FDA says they are.  Maybe the info hadnt been given to everyone at their company?  Maybe they arent operating under emergency permit but are supposed to be?  I dont know.  I also dont know why they would say that FDA's news release had false and misleading info in it, what was false?  FDA seemed to be pretty clear about the info they provided.  

One thing I am happy about though is that it appears that FDA did the very thing we have all wanted them to do in the past and that is they prevented something from potentially turning very bad for our pets.  When I asked FDA about everything, they responded promptly.  I sent them a thank you which is something I didnt think I would be doing with FDA anytime soon.  Now I just wish there was enough personnel to be able to inspect all the other pet food companies but I doubt that will be happening.    



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« Reply #82 on: April 29, 2008, 06:40:39 AM »

Sorry, Kathy, I see that now, havent had my full ration of coffee yet this morning..... Wink  Thank you too for this info, its very interesting.   
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3catkidneyfailure
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« Reply #83 on: April 29, 2008, 07:37:22 AM »

Given the FDA explanation of possible bacterial growth consequences of not reaching
proper temperatures in processing LAC pet food and the possible difficulties of isolating
and reprocessing affected product, if ever there was a time for a company to come forward
and say this is what we are doing to monitor the problem, if any, these are our recent test results on pet
food safety, in one consumer inexpert opinion this would be a good time to do it. If you want brand
loyalty by consumers generally worried about commercial pet food safety, that might be
a better way after March 16, 2007. No consumer knows what has gone on here, only the
company and the FDA.
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« Reply #84 on: April 29, 2008, 08:05:23 AM »

Hopefully we will hear more of this from both Evangers and the FDA --but at the very least-even if it was "only paperwork" that was the problem--after knowing what the "paperwork problem"  with ChemNutra turned into---this is still a huge problem that does need to be made public!
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3catkidneyfailure
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« Reply #85 on: April 30, 2008, 09:03:07 AM »

It would really be nice to see safety testing results on product from a manufacturer
whose plant runs, I believe, 24/7 around the clock. No company has published such
results for the consumer to see that I'm aware of to indicate their commitment to
pet food safety first and foremost.
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« Reply #86 on: April 30, 2008, 09:15:47 AM »

You all might be interested in a blog over at PetSit USA......http://petsitusa.com/blog/?p=1125
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kaffe
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« Reply #87 on: April 30, 2008, 11:25:28 AM »

Thanks for that link, SandiK!  So... Joel has responded.
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3catkidneyfailure
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« Reply #88 on: April 30, 2008, 11:46:18 AM »

"My pets rely on my due diligence." Good point, Kaffe. I'm not sure I understand
why companies are so reluctant to let consumers have knowledge of safety testing
and quality assurance programs and their results. Our furkids are certainly relying
on the results.

I also didn't know that the FDA could demand recalls per Joel's remarks. I thought
that was something up for consideration, but not among their powers at this time.
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« Reply #89 on: April 30, 2008, 12:05:53 PM »

"My pets rely on my due diligence." Good point, Kaffe. I'm not sure I understand
why companies are so reluctant to let consumers have knowledge of safety testing
and quality assurance programs and their results. Our furkids are certainly relying
on the results.

I also didn't know that the FDA could demand recalls per Joel's remarks. I thought
that was something up for consideration, but not among their powers at this time.

I would like to see the link saying the FDA TODAY has the right to recall pet food ... they were given Broader recall on Human food stuff s ...
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