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« Reply #75 on: June 20, 2009, 05:11:48 AM » |
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Finally. Got our humane society to move on this and they will be posting it everywhere. They didn't even know about it. Ugh. Also contacted our major newspaper AGAIN to see if they'd carry the story
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Red and Bones, my baby boys, you'll always be in my heart. Mom will see you later. Look after each other, ok?
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« Reply #76 on: June 20, 2009, 07:16:32 AM » |
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http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/unleashed/2009/06/nutro-cat-food-recall-zinc.htmlLA Times June 19, 2009 Nutro Respons to Assertions of Dangerous Zinc Levels in Recalled Cat Food "Nutro responded to the concerns raised by the sky-high levels of zinc in an email today. ""The lot of recalled product analyzed by pfpsa.org, as well as some of the other recalled product lots is higher than the maximum zinc levels as outlined by the Association of American Feed Control Officials (AAFCO)," Nutro manager Monica Barrett wrote. "But, Barrett said, there's a general lack of scientific knowledge about the levels of zinc and other nutrients that are safe for cats. "Much of the data is extrapolated from other species, and values used in calculating nutritional profiles are based on very limited and old data. As quoted in the National Research Council (NRC) 2006 publication, ‘There are no reports on adverse effects of excess zinc consumption by cats.’ ""There are a few studies feeding high levels of zinc to cats that have shown high zinc serum levels in the blood, but no clinical problems resulted," Barrett continued. "High zinc levels can cause a secondary deficiency in copper and other microminerals. Because of the lack of data on zinc levels for cats, and the potential for causing other mineral deficiencies, we decided to take the measures we did" in issuing the recall. ConsumerAffairs and Don Earl's pfpsa.org are quoted prominently; comments also invited here!  http://consumerist.com/5297536/is-nutro-ignoring-owners-of-cats-made-sick-by-recalled-foodConsumerist.com June 19, 2009 Is Nutro Ignoring Owners of Cats Made Sick by Recalled Food? More from ConsumerAffairs here and again, comments welcome! 
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« Reply #77 on: June 20, 2009, 07:31:36 AM » |
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"But, Barrett said, there's a general lack of scientific knowledge about the levels of zinc and other nutrients that are safe for cats."
"Everything Your Cat Needs in One Bag®"
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« Reply #78 on: June 20, 2009, 07:33:11 AM » |
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IMO, what they're not saying is that if there is no " specific" data on toxicity in cats for dietary Zinc at that level, then there is also NO " specific" data on SAFETY/NUTRITIONAL value in cats of dietary Zinc at that level either. I think that they are doing the same thing the FDA/CVM/PFCs did on melamine - no data to prove toxic. Have they basically, courtesy of Ms. Barrett ["But, Barrett said, there's a general lack of scientific knowledge about the levels of zinc and other nutrients that are safe for cats.], proved their own advertising to be false- such as their "In order for a food to provide all the essential nutrition for a pet, it must exceed the minimum requirements for all essential nutrients." statement in press releases of Sept 2008 ??!! http://www.zimbio.com/Latest+pet+food+recall+list/articles/46/Nutro+Press+Release+Regarding+Zinc+Copper?Then, they run hide behind the AAFCO guidelines.
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"If the pet food does not perform in the consumer's hands, then all of the advertising on earth will not be persuasive." Dr. R. Glenn Brown. Canadian Veterinary Journal, Volume 35, in April of 1994
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« Reply #79 on: June 20, 2009, 10:11:23 AM » |
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"Everything Your Cat Needs in One Bag®"
I guess you can have it both ways! Especially if you are part of the Mars-backed, FDA/CVM protected "stakeholder system". Wouldn't want any scientific evidence interferring with retail shelf sales I guess.
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« Reply #80 on: June 20, 2009, 10:15:09 AM » |
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OK AAFCO people, Nutro and others. There is a definite level to supplement a cat food so that a deficiency doesn't not result. That has been established in the literature. What on earth is wrong with erring on the side of caution in situations like this and supplementing moderately over the minimum as they do in the EU? Take a look at what cats eat in the wild. Mice, birds, insects. How much zinc do they provide in the quantities eaten to sustain life? If the NRC study shows that there are no adverse effects at 600 ppm and likewise, there was no deficiency noted at this level, then why not make this the upper limit just to be on the safe side? Most things in life don't work on the more (or less) is always better. A happy medium is usually what works best.
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Red and Bones, my baby boys, you'll always be in my heart. Mom will see you later. Look after each other, ok?
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« Reply #81 on: June 22, 2009, 12:28:48 PM » |
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from twitter... http://tomcatnews.blogspot.com/snip I have spoken with Nutro Products communications people and they are not reporting any proven connection with any consumer complaints and this recall.I wonder what Nutro might just need as proof! Guess high zinc in blood and tissues and vets calling just aren't enough "proof"... We all know how hard it is to prove anything in health and medicine...anyone familiar with that would not make such remarks IMO...Looks like this should be the long term study for Sky High Zinc ingestion with cats that is desperately needed... or can we just call this Nutro's feeding trials.. You have got to read the whole blog...
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« Reply #82 on: June 22, 2009, 01:33:13 PM » |
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Everyone see this? June 20, 2009: A concerned pet owner provided pfpsa.org with funds and a variety of unrecalled dry cat food samples, which we received in ziplock bags, to have tested through the Washington Animal Disease Diagnostic Lab. Toxicology testing is done through WADDL by the Analytical Sciences Laboratory University of Idaho. We tested 5 samples believed to be three each of Nutro, one Wellness and one Purina. The tests show two of the three Nutro samples contained zinc at levels that would be illegal for sale in the European Union, at 270 ppm and 380 ppm. The third Nutro sample came in at 230 ppm. Purina and Wellness both came in at 190 ppm, which is still 40 ppm higher than the European Union’s recommended maximum of 150 ppm. The huge variation in Nutro results suggests very poor consistency and quality control. From one bag to the next, it’s about like playing Russian Roulette. It’s important to keep in mind pet food is typically the only thing our pets eat, day in and day out, month after month, year after year. Chronic exposure to over supplemented food, especially metals, hasn’t been studied enough to justify over supplementation as an industry standard. http://www.pfpsa.org/news.html
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« Reply #83 on: June 23, 2009, 08:06:02 AM » |
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from twitter... http://tomcatnews.blogspot.com/snip I have spoken with Nutro Products communications people and they are not reporting any proven connection with any consumer complaints and this recall.I wonder what Nutro might just need as proof! Guess high zinc in blood and tissues and vets calling just aren't enough "proof"... We all know how hard it is to prove anything in health and medicine...anyone familiar with that would not make such remarks IMO...Looks like this should be the long term study for Sky High Zinc ingestion with cats that is desperately needed... or can we just call this Nutro's feeding trials.. You have got to read the whole blog... I read the blog and what I see is someone providing every excuse in the bood to the pet food company and not worrying as much as he should about the safety and well being of pets. The lab results speak for themselves and for him to try to somehow spin doubt on those is really scummy, imo.
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« Reply #84 on: June 23, 2009, 09:38:50 AM » |
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I read the blog and what I see is someone providing every excuse in the bood to the pet food company and not worrying as much as he should about the safety and well being of pets. The lab results speak for themselves and for him to try to somehow spin doubt on those is really scummy, imo.
Appears to me he's trying to get everyone to understand his own urgent needs while demanding that the rest of us abandon our own.
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« Reply #85 on: June 29, 2009, 03:07:27 AM » |
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How many recalls, how many pets need to die before governments relieve you can't trust pet food companies to self regulate? It is clear that politicians worldwide have yet to suffer the heatache many of us have. It astounds me that pet food recalls post Menu foods seem endlessly ongoing - it is clear that many pet food companies learn nothing from previous recalls and will continue as they currently are putting $$$$$'s before all else until they are made to change. They clearly and repeatedly show that they are unable to self regulate as they only care about short term gains and not establishing long term markets despite their claims to the contrary.
I am heart broken for not only my animals but all the other animals that have been affected, have died and unfortunately will continue to sicken and die because of government inaction.
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« Reply #86 on: June 29, 2009, 03:37:21 PM » |
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Yep, welcome to the free market where anything and anyone goes. Good, bad or deadly. I don't necessarily think that the government will do any better a job than the companies themselves, but I would like to see an independent body of some sort overseeing this mess. One that includes vets, the public, PFI and government.
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Red and Bones, my baby boys, you'll always be in my heart. Mom will see you later. Look after each other, ok?
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