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« Reply #15 on: April 21, 2009, 05:31:27 PM » |
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Gee Carol, thats exactly what I was thinking. If they arent being investigated, then CA should be able to obtain those documents they wanted thru the Freedom of Info Act.....just saying.  So does CVM regulate pet food? I thought they regulated medications, what goes into feed, etc but the dont regulate pet food per se, do they? Perhaps CVM wouldnt know if a PFC was being investigated? Just asking.... 
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« Reply #17 on: April 21, 2009, 05:44:56 PM » |
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http://www.clickondetroit.com/money/19242335/detail.htmlClick on Detroit April 21, 2009 POSTED: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 UPDATED: 7:32 pm EDT April 21, 2009 "DETROIT -- The Food and Drug Administration is looking into a series of pet deaths and illnesses, possibly connected with Nutro Foods." http://www.clickondetroit.com/video/19244145/index.htmlVideo of local TV news story re: FDA investigating Nutro. NUTRO:We have confirmed with the FDA’s division responsible for regulating pet food, the Center for Veterinary Medicine, that there is no current or ongoing investigation of Nutro Products, Inc. CONSUMER AFFAIRS: The investigation came to light when the FDA denied a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request by ConsumerAffairs.com seeking a list of complaints and lab results the agency has collected regarding NUTRO pet food. The agency denied the request and said that releasing the information could hamper “prospective or ongoing” action by law enforcement.
“The document(s) constitute record(s) compiled for law enforcement purposes, the disclosure of which could reasonably be expected to interfere with enforcement proceedings,” wrote the FDA’s George A. Strait, Jr., assistant commissioner for public affairs. FDA went on record with CA--no "record" quote with the Nutro denial--IMHO, if they had a "record quote" it would be on their site.
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« Reply #18 on: April 21, 2009, 06:36:20 PM » |
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« Reply #19 on: April 21, 2009, 06:58:22 PM » |
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http://twitter.com/ReneeATNutroLink to the Twitter feed. Amazing how on Twitter, they claim to know nothing about an FDA investigation while their website denies there is one at all. "Can also reassure you that at this time, Nutro hasn't been made aware of any investigation nor have we been contacted by FDA."
"At this time, Nutro hasn't been made aware of any investigation nor have we been contacted by the FDA."http://www.nutroproducts.com/nutro-food-recall-facts.shtml#consumeraffairs"We have confirmed with the FDA’s division responsible for regulating pet food, the Center for Veterinary Medicine, that there is no current or ongoing investigation of Nutro Products, Inc. "Guess FDA made another mistake when they allowed their Public Affairs person to say this to CA: "“The document(s) constitute record(s) compiled for law enforcement purposes, the disclosure of which could reasonably be expected to interfere with enforcement proceedings,” wrote the FDA’s George A. Strait, Jr., assistant commissioner for public affairs."
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« Reply #20 on: April 21, 2009, 07:07:31 PM » |
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Menusux, on this link, I went and looked and they have another link pointing to the Consumer Affairs article, so do you think they just copied their story or did they investigate on their own? http://www.clickondetroit.com/money/19242335/detail.htmlETA: For some reason that link isnt working for me right now altho it was earlier.... 
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« Reply #21 on: April 21, 2009, 07:21:19 PM » |
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Sandi, They have a small story there with a link to Consumer Affairs. They also have a video link with a local Detroit TV station, WDIV-TV, doing a 3 minute story about the investigation at: http://www.clickondetroit.com/video/19244145/index.htmlFDA Investigating Popular Pet Food Is how the video link's shown there. I was just there again and had no trouble with getting the link to the story.
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« Reply #22 on: April 21, 2009, 07:35:43 PM » |
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I was just curious whether it was their own story or whether they copied it from Consumer Affairs....
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« Reply #23 on: April 21, 2009, 09:39:40 PM » |
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I don't know if this is the case here, but, in the past I have found that, when a particular story appears on one blog that is of interest such as this one, it is merely copied on other blogs without any new information.
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« Reply #24 on: April 21, 2009, 09:41:14 PM » |
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Thats true Mandy, but that Detroit site video is from a news site not a blog so I was hoping they did some research also.
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« Reply #25 on: April 22, 2009, 07:10:26 AM » |
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Twitter might be a good thing if they were to actually answer some of the questions, it looks like all they are doing is directling people to the statements at their website. Same ol' stuff....... The question I would pose to them if I "twittered" which I dont, is how could they state they contacted all the people up to a certain date that had posted complaints at Consumer Affairs, if they never contacted Consumer Affairs to get their addies (which according to CA, they did not)? That has always bugged me. http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2008/08/pet_food_recalls99.htmlFair also said her company has made repeated efforts to contact all the consumers mentioned in a June 23 ConsumerAffairs.com story about the mysterious deaths of six dogs that had eaten Nutro. The story also focused on the sudden illnesses that pets nationwide and in Italy had experienced after eating the company's food.
"We've either spoken with or left multiple messages for all of the consumers cited in the June 23 posting," Fair said. "There is nothing that indicates that these pet health issues were caused by Nutro pet foods."
But pet owner Sharon A. of Cheektowaga, New York — who was included in our June 23 story — said no one from Nutro has contacted her.
"I've not heard from anyone at Nutro," she told us. Some of the other consumers in our June 23 story had already contacted Nutro.
But others would be hard for Nutro to find because we only identify consumers by their first names and last initials when their complaints are published. Nutro has never contacted ConsumerAffairs.com about those pet owners or asked how they could reach them, although a company spokesman said the information would be "immediately" provided.http://twitter.com/ReneeATNutroLink to the Twitter feed. Amazing how on Twitter, they claim to know nothing about an FDA investigation while their website denies there is one at all. "Can also reassure you that at this time, Nutro hasn't been made aware of any investigation nor have we been contacted by FDA."
"At this time, Nutro hasn't been made aware of any investigation nor have we been contacted by the FDA."http://www.nutroproducts.com/nutro-food-recall-facts.shtml#consumeraffairs"We have confirmed with the FDA’s division responsible for regulating pet food, the Center for Veterinary Medicine, that there is no current or ongoing investigation of Nutro Products, Inc. "Guess FDA made another mistake when they allowed their Public Affairs person to say this to CA: "“The document(s) constitute record(s) compiled for law enforcement purposes, the disclosure of which could reasonably be expected to interfere with enforcement proceedings,” wrote the FDA’s George A. Strait, Jr., assistant commissioner for public affairs."
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« Reply #26 on: April 22, 2009, 07:59:43 AM » |
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Sandi, All I can say is that if Mars-Nutro has a way of contacting people without having their e-mail or phone numbers, there are a lot of people in the collection business who would pay very well to know their secret! 
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« Reply #27 on: April 22, 2009, 08:46:47 AM » |
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Cross posted with permission. This is for the new folks: "If only there weren’t about 60 lobbists per elected representative in Washington, D.C., maybe more of those CFR’s could be enforced.
Here’s some interesting CFR trivia:
In 1999, Novartis Corporation petitioned the EPA to amend 40 CFR 180.414 by establishing tolerances for residues of the insecticide cyromazine and its metabolite melamine.
The proposed rule is here: http://www.epa.gov/fedrgstr/EPA-PEST/1999/September/Day-15/p24047.htm
Please notice that the “EPA also proposes to remove melamine, a metabolite of cyromazine from the tolerance expression since it is no longer considered a residue of concern.The Interregional Research Project (IR-4) and Novartis Crop Protection, Inc., requested these tolerances under the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act, as amended by the Food Quality Protection Act of 1996.”
According to folks at EPA, FDA, and USDA, with whom I spoke, even though Novatis’ petition involved melamine as a metabolite of cyromazine, the rule change may have been interpreted by food producers as the “OK” to use melamine as an ingredient in the production of food/food ingredients.
The CFR’s are posted online for all the world to see, so it wouldn’t take much imagination for unscrupulous ingredient producers to take advantage of such information.
Also, we know that less than 10% of imported foodstuffs are inspected at the borders.
So it shouldn’t surprise anyone than melamine has been found in everything from infant formula to pet food.
We are very naive in the USA.
http://cats.about.com/b/2009/04/20/fda-probe-of-nutro-pet-food.htm#commentform"5CatMom =^..^ =
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« Reply #28 on: April 22, 2009, 01:04:47 PM » |
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Update story just posted.. http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2009/04/nutro_foia02.htmlLooks like FDA is not backing off this story...I am quite sure they have read it!
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“Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed, it’s the only thing that ever has.” — Margaret Mead
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