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« Reply #15 on: October 02, 2008, 03:52:01 PM »

Here's Dr. Greg Aldrich's email address.  Maybe we could let him know how we feel.

aldrich4@cox.net.


Dear Dr. Aldrich,
What's wrong with you people?


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« Reply #16 on: October 02, 2008, 03:58:10 PM »

Crap like this makes my head explode

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« Reply #17 on: October 02, 2008, 04:04:55 PM »

Look at this!!  Susan Thixton on Dr. Greg Aldrich's idea to use ethanol waste in pet food.
  ROFL! 


"Allow me to interpret…The production of ethanol has raised the cost of otherwise cheap grains commonly used as protein in pet food. Ah, but I discovered something that we might have overlooked…and it´s even cheaper! After they process grain for ethanol, the left over garbage still analyzes as protein – goodie for us! Jump on this gang, before the price goes up!"

and...

"Interpretation: There is one problem, and it´s big… DDGS (left-overs from ethanol production) are extremely prone to a deadly mold that is known to be a killer of pets. Extensive research has shown it´s very risky. But remember, it´s cheap so it´s probably worth the risk.

As if the above isn´t bad enough…Dr. Aldrich feels petsumers will welcome this change: "Considering consumers generally have a favorable view of "green" ethanol…" Well Dr. Aldrich, we might not all have a PhD behind our name, but we certainly are not stupid! ´Green´ pet food is NOT huge piles left in the backyard or litter box!"

and...

"...AAFCO will graciously accommodate The Pet Food Industry with a nice, safe sounding ingredient name. Something like "Protein-rich Solubles" – after all…"left-over @#$% from the processing of ethanol" on a pet food label probably won´t sell much pet food."

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/76284

I guess she feels the same way we do.  Well done, Susan!  A lot of us will write to him.

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« Reply #18 on: October 02, 2008, 04:33:15 PM »

Thanks for the link!  Here's the email I sent:

Dear Dr. Aldrich,

Now is not the time to add DDGS to pet food.  "Never" is the answer.  And no knowledgeable person trusts the PFI since 3/07.  The PFI needs to ban, not add, unnatural protein enhancing ingredients such as DDGS to achieve any level of credibility.  But you have provided another reason to home cook or only buy pet food products with substantiated whole food ingredients.
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« Reply #19 on: October 02, 2008, 10:04:18 PM »

WTF are they thinking, excuse me, they think now? Two lines from the link:

Currently on a 'few' of the value brands of petfood are BRAVE (or stupid IMO) enough to incorporate DDGS in their formulas.

Requires a fine grind to prevent the kibble from having a FUZZY surface - like in hairy? YEWWWWWW

Article said this DDGS is not in wet food - only kibble.

What are those companies that put this in their products? This guy Aldrich is one sandwich short of a picnic IMO when he states that the consumers will like this as if to say we should be glad to do our part by feeding this cwap to our pets?

When will the pet food places wake up and smell the coffee - WE DO NOT WANT ANY ADULTERATED TOXINS, CWAP, LEFT OVER SLOP, IRRIADATION, UNFIT FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION JUNK IN OUR PETS FOOD - GET IT?
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« Reply #20 on: October 03, 2008, 03:32:08 AM »

Look at this!!  Susan Thixton on Dr. Greg Aldrich's idea to use ethanol waste in pet food.
  ROFL! 


"Allow me to interpret…The production of ethanol has raised the cost of otherwise cheap grains commonly used as protein in pet food. Ah, but I discovered something that we might have overlooked…and it´s even cheaper! After they process grain for ethanol, the left over garbage still analyzes as protein – goodie for us! Jump on this gang, before the price goes up!"

and...

"Interpretation: There is one problem, and it´s big… DDGS (left-overs from ethanol production) are extremely prone to a deadly mold that is known to be a killer of pets. Extensive research has shown it´s very risky. But remember, it´s cheap so it´s probably worth the risk.

As if the above isn´t bad enough…Dr. Aldrich feels petsumers will welcome this change: "Considering consumers generally have a favorable view of "green" ethanol…" Well Dr. Aldrich, we might not all have a PhD behind our name, but we certainly are not stupid! ´Green´ pet food is NOT huge piles left in the backyard or litter box!"

and...

"...AAFCO will graciously accommodate The Pet Food Industry with a nice, safe sounding ingredient name. Something like "Protein-rich Solubles" – after all…"left-over @#$% from the processing of ethanol" on a pet food label probably won´t sell much pet food."

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/76284

I guess she feels the same way we do.  Well done, Susan!  A lot of us will write to him.



Susan Thixton was sent the link by one of our own!!  Thanks Anni she adds at the end!!! Wink  Think how far reaching her newsletter is!!!  Remember the last round of emails her article made happen! 
http://itchmoforums.com/making-a-difference/aafco-email-deleted-before-read-t5223.0.html;msg69720#msg69720

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« Reply #21 on: October 03, 2008, 05:57:37 AM »

I was going to give Dr. Aldrich's email address but 5cat beat me to it......thanks 5cat.  I just sent this to him:

Dr. Aldrich:

I am a responsible pet parent who just read your article & I am beyond angry.  What is wrong with you & the rest of the pet food industry?  You are supposed to be responsible people making & selling healthy, nutritious pet food to sustain those little furry creatures that we happen to love.

Have you not learned anything from the horror of pet recall '07?  I knew absolutely nothing about pet food prior to the happenings of last year but I sure learned fast.  I researched day after day & there was nothing that I learned that pleased me or gave me confidence in the crap I've been feeding my beloved dog her whole life.  Instead, it made me sick, disgusted & angry, not to mention guilty that I'd been filling my dog full of chemicals & other crap that should never be in any food.

I know a note from one or two pet lovers won't do anything to change your mind but I had to say what's in my heart.  When are you going to make & sell a pet food that is actually good for my dog?  Or is money the only thing that matters to you & the rest of your buddies?

I'm sure you can find a use for DDGS that will fill your coffers with money & leave it out of pet food.

I hate to tell you this but the majority of pet parents DO NOT trust commercial pet food after all we found out last year, not to mention all the pet parents with sick or dead animals.  Many of them are still trying to nurse them back to health a year later.  Doesn't that bother you?  If it doesn't, I think you should find another line of work where it doesn't involve feeding innocent little furry creatures.

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« Reply #22 on: October 03, 2008, 09:29:07 AM »

Don't forget, Carol, who was intelligent enough to spot the article. Thank you.

We have to thank Dr. Aldrich for forewarning us about the next round of pet food deaths from
consuming mycotoxins aflatoxin and vomitotoxin. His level of concern is underwhelming. But at
least consumers know what to look for, those pesky ingredient formulations changes and lack
of quality control mistakes that are killing our pets.
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« Reply #23 on: October 03, 2008, 10:50:00 AM »

3cat,

I was thinking that coming home last nite... to thank him for letting us know.

My gut says some pfc has probably already done it and that's his way of bringing it out into the open.. Somebody asked, maybe after the fact, and that's the result of it... in the open.

It reinforces the "no grains no glutens" pet food purchases that many of us try to follow as way of keeping as much distance as possible between our pets & grain pesticides, grain toxins, etc...and the greedy pfc/pfi using scraps, brewers rice, gmos, etc with a continued lack of concern for the animal health. 

Since the FDA didn't mention MARC (including cyanuric acid) levels in the pet foods with their recent announcements, I can't help but worry again about pets and crystals... and once more the article respresents another example of the depraved mentality of the industry & their lobbyists...

I would not be surprised to find that there are more grain garbage offals from processing similar to the article (like soy, rice, barley, oats) which are already being used in the pet foods...

.. and I say a silent prayer daily that the next day is the day that EWG releases the results of their pet food tests.
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« Reply #24 on: October 03, 2008, 11:01:23 AM »

I just emailed Dr. Aldrich a nice letter of my thoughts.   Grin  I had to come up with a couple of good ones to put in there.   Wink  Heh!  Heh!  Heh!  I told him there were many of us watching and reporting what the PFI is up to. 
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« Reply #25 on: October 07, 2008, 12:03:19 PM »

http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2008/10/6/105517/371/

Gristmill October 7, 2008

Ethanol waste: Good for Rover?

"Should the mush left over after the ethanol process -- known as distillers grains -- be fed to farm animals?

"There's been little real debate around that question, even though a) heavy use of distillers grains as cow feed has been linked to deadly E. Coli 0157H7 outbreaks; and b), the mush has been shown to contain all manner of residues from the ethanol process, including industrial chemicals and antibiotics.

"While questions surrounding distillers grains as animal feed hang around, the pet-food industry is seriously considering adding the stuff to cat and dog food; indeed, a few producers already are. According to a pet-food industry consultant:

"Currently, only a few of the "value brands" of petfood are brave enough to incorporate DDGS [a common type of distillers grains] in their formulas."

And if you check back to the original story, you'll see that it is already being done by some PFC's.

http://www.petfoodindustry.com/ViewArticle.aspx?id=22862%20

"Currently, only a few of the "value brands" of petfood are brave enough to incorporate DDGS in their formulas."

Let's see if we can compile a list of those "value brands" who use DDGS here.
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« Reply #26 on: October 07, 2008, 12:42:31 PM »

Menusux went to the original article and didn't see any pet food company mentioned in it. Is there another link to click to get the names of the ones using this cwap?
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« Reply #27 on: October 07, 2008, 12:46:15 PM »

WE need to do the investigating to find out who's using them.  I just got some more information on DDGS in PF and need to go through it before posting it.  I did find a supplement who's using them and I'll post all of what I have as soon as I go through it and organize it.
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« Reply #28 on: October 07, 2008, 01:09:52 PM »

I am going to call Merrick and Nature's Variety..and will post here...
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« Reply #29 on: October 07, 2008, 01:21:57 PM »

OK--so far:

http://www.dogfoodproject.com/index.php?page=badingredients

Ingredients to avoid

Corn Distillers Dried Grains With Solubles

"Distillers Dried Grains with solubles (DDGS) is the product obtained by condensing and drying the stillage that remains after fermenting the starch in corn or milo in the production of ethyl alcohol.

"An inexpensive byproduct used as protein filler in cheap dog foods. Its amino acids are poorly balanced, not very digestible, have a high fiber content and nutritional value can vary greatly from batch to batch. Better suited as cattle feed."
 
http://www.thepigsite.com/swinenews/16812/a-new-set-of-standards-for-ddgs

January 14, 2008
A New Set of Standards for DDGS

"The National Grain and Feed Association (NGFA) has advised the US Department of Agriculture (USDA) that existing regulatory and industry frameworks, as well as prudent contracting practices, are sufficient to facilitate the trading of distillers grains. It also suggests that the federal government develops standards for biofuels.

"The NGFA’s membership encompasses all sectors of the industry, including country, terminal and export elevators; feed mills; cash grain and feed merchants; end users of grain and grain products, including processors, flour millers, and livestock and poultry integrators; commodity futures brokers and commission merchants; and allied industries, such as railroads, barge lines, banks, grain exchanges, insurance companies, computer software firms, and engineering and design/construct companies. In addition, the NGFA consists of 35 affiliated state and regional U.S. grain and feed associations, as well as two international affiliated associations. The NGFA also has strategic alliances with the Grain Elevator and Processing Society and Pet Food Institute, and is co-located and jointly operates with the North American Export Grain Association."

http://articles.directorym.net/AFIA_leads_industry_into_a_new_century_of_opportunity-a914353.html

AFIA leads industry into a new century of opportunity

DDGS

"One of the hottest topics currently facing the industry and nation concerns distillers dried grain with solubles (DDGS). AFIA has been participating in a number of working groups to address regulatory concerns and use limitations of DDGS."

http://www.ddgs.umn.edu/info-companion.htm

University of MN "home page" for DDGS information--has various article links.

http://www.ddgs.umn.edu/articles-companion/2004-Hill-%20Alternative%20proteins%20in--.pdf

Alternative Proteins in Companion Animal Nutrition
Pet Food Association of Canada 2004

BTW--this is also a good source for the description of those alternative proteins such as corn gluten, wheat gluten, RPC and so on.

http://www.ddgs.umn.edu/articles-companion/2006-Shurson-%20Effect%20of%20feeding%20DDGS%20to%20horses%20and%20companion%20animals.pdf

Effect of Feeding DDGS to Companion Animals

Paper notes very little research has been done into the issue.

http://www.ifbf.org/programs/commodity/information/ddgs.pdf

Where will all the DDGS go?

Iowa Farm Bureau 2006

Page 1

"People are even putting DDGS in dog food supplements (amaize) http://www.amaize.com and lick blocks for horses, sheep, deer and elk http://www.goldenlyk.com 

"But there's still a challenge to find a market for all those DDGS."

https://ecommerce.4w.com/amaize/secure.htm

Amaize--buy it in biscuits or granule form

http://www.aboutus.org/AMaize.com

Marsland Laboratories
3501 South 6th
Lincoln NE 68502 US

I have not found a link between Marsland Labs and Mars Inc. (so far!)
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