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Author Topic: Breaking -Canada halts imports of USA Livestock feed - melamine + cyanuric acid  (Read 19826 times)
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« Reply #30 on: July 02, 2007, 07:53:23 PM »

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We covered this on another thread, the conclusion, We have no idea why this would be done. In fact the usda has the test kits and won't sell them to creekstone. It is so screwed that you can't even test your own cows for mad cow. Apparently the other ranchers didn't want creedstone testing, they feared that they then would have to test and somehow got this going.

This is pretty much insanity.

and they wonder why i am paranoid. they really are out to get us.

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« Reply #31 on: July 02, 2007, 09:12:10 PM »

I guess it would put a huge dent in their ability to sell beef here & out of country (do we do that?) if it got out we have BSE on a regular basis.  Also would bring up all this old stuff & there would need to be explanations as to why it was hidden.
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« Reply #32 on: July 07, 2007, 08:00:30 PM »

I don't understand why the canadian government will not name the contaminated amino acid.  Why would that bit of info be left out.  Has anyone heard what it is? 
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« Reply #33 on: July 07, 2007, 09:10:30 PM »

good point DMS.  time to get to researching on it, may not bring anything up.  wonder if there is someone to email about it?
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« Reply #34 on: July 08, 2007, 05:46:09 AM »

The advisory was from the CFIA (Canadian Food Inspection Agency). I see there is no follow-up information on their site, but they do have a Contact Us section:

http://www.inspection.gc.ca/english/tools/feedback/commene.shtml
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« Reply #35 on: July 08, 2007, 11:36:08 AM »

did anyone email them yet? (is anyone brave enough to email them?)
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« Reply #36 on: July 08, 2007, 12:32:29 PM »

I emailed them this afternoon.  I will let you all know if I get a response.  Hope they are more forthcoming than the FDA/USDA/aphis/EPA.
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« Reply #37 on: July 08, 2007, 03:03:38 PM »

I wonder what the source of this amino acid is.  And is cyanuric acid an intentional plumping additive or degraded form of some other contaminant?
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« Reply #38 on: July 08, 2007, 05:23:38 PM »

Thanks for emailing them DMS, looking forward to whatever reply you get. 
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« Reply #39 on: July 16, 2007, 11:05:50 AM »

Here is the response from the Canadian government:

Your request for information has been forwarded to me for response.  The amino acid that came in was a lysine sulfate product that has a lysine guarantee for <50%, thus it is not a pure amino acid.  It contained cyanuric acid and was negative for melamine.  We did not test it for other contaminants.  Due to confidentiality, I cannot provide you with the company name.

I hope this adequately answers your questions. 

Sincerely,

Catherine Italiano

Catherine Italiano
(613) 221-4042 | citaliano@inspection.gc.ca  | Facsimile / Télécopieur : (613) 228-6614
Toxicology Coordinator / Coordinatrice de Toxicologie
Feed Section / Section des aliments du bétail
Canadian Food Inspection Agency / Agence canadienne d'inspection des aliments
59 Camelot Drive / 59 promenade Camelot
Ottawa, Ontario
K1A 0Y9
Gouvernment of Canada / Gouvernement du Canada
www.inspection.gc.ca
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« Reply #40 on: July 16, 2007, 11:10:04 AM »

I just emailed Ms. Italiano back asking her for the percentage of cyanuric acid in the mixture. If I get any news, I will let you know.
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« Reply #41 on: July 16, 2007, 11:22:56 AM »

Oh my, this is very interesting, thanks DMS.  Here's the start of my lysine sulfate research:

http://www.21food.com/showroom/19256/product/L-LYSINE-SULFATE.html

"Lysine Sulphate can be used instead of traditional L-lysine HCL as a livestock feed additive. From many technical researches, we can conclude that the Lysine Sulfate has almost the same feed effect as Lysine HCL, such as feed efficiency, true digestibility coefficient, bioavailability and RBV (relative biological value)."

Sounds like maybe it was headed for   ****ANIMAL FEED**** !!!!!

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« Reply #42 on: July 16, 2007, 11:30:46 AM »


Maybe China is not the culprit with the cyanuric acid contamination:

http://www.sriconsulting.com/PEP/Reports/Phase_97/RW97-08/RW97-08.html

"Lysine-Sulfate Production by Fermentation with Recovery by Spray Drying

L-Lysine [2,6-diamino-hexanoic acid; NH2(CH2)4CH(NH2)] is an essential amino acid produced by fermentation. Between 1991 and 1997, the global market for L-lysine experienced explosive growth from 100 million to 750 million lb/yr primarily as a result of increased use as a feed additive in swine and poultry production. Although growth has leveled off, it is still projected to continue to increase at ~7%/yr.

Midwest Lysine LLC, a joint venture of Cargill and Degussa, recently announced the construction of a 160 million lb/yr facility at Cargill's corn-milling site in Blair, Nebraska to produce of a new form of L-lysine called BIQLYS60, Start-up is scheduled for late 1999.

With its new plant, Midwest Lysine will join the four firms Archer Daniels Midland (ADM), Ajinomoto, Kyowa-Hakko, and Daesang that now account for nearly 90% of the world's capacity of L-lysine and that have announced capacity increases totaling 300 million lb/yr.

BIOLYS60, the sulfate salt of lysine along with fermentation by-products, is 46.8 wt% L-lysine (as the free amino acid). Other producers sell lysine as 98.5 wt% lysine monohydrochioride (L-lysine.HCL) or 78.8% L-lysine. BIOLYS60, which contains 60% of the lysine contained in the traditional product, can be substituted for the traditional L-lysine.HCL as a feed additive with comparable performance.

From our economic and technical examination, we conclude that BIOLYS60's cost position as a livestock feed additive, at the stated capacity, is superior to that for the traditional L-lysine. HCL product [see PEP Review 97-9 Lysine by Fermentation with Recovery by Ion Exchange (March 1999)], for an evaluation of that product). Moreover, the BIOLYS60 process is less complex and generates less waste.

By Ronald Bray

February 1999"



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« Reply #43 on: July 16, 2007, 11:31:31 AM »

That was quick:

It was 169 ppm.  (cyanuric acid in the amino acid mix)

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« Reply #44 on: July 16, 2007, 11:59:46 AM »

Oh thank goodness, I was afraid if someone saw my last post, the gate would be closed.  I need help researching this--lysine sulphate, acetaminophen & cyanuric acid.  Been getting some links on the first two, nothing conclusive yet, some experiments of treating actemin poison with lysine, & laws against the US 'dumping' acetaminophenol & lysine sulphate imports in EU & S. Africa.

Apparently the EU was having some kind of problem with our lysine sulphate not meeting their standards.  Need some top brains out there looking at this.
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