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Author Topic: Breaking -Canada halts imports of USA Livestock feed - melamine + cyanuric acid  (Read 20321 times)
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« Reply #60 on: July 17, 2007, 12:44:50 PM »

Has anyone come across the MSDS sheets that might be required for handling the vitamin premixes and the probiotics that are being added to pet food?   I have a feeling they have some alerts on handling and breathing the products.
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« Reply #61 on: July 17, 2007, 01:08:23 PM »

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Off the FDA page for cattle/animal feed...Sec. 573.220 Feed-grade biuret.
http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh/cfdocs/cfCFR/CFRSearch.cfm?CFRPart=573&showFR=1&subpartNode=21:6.0.1.1.20.2
 
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Biuret...................................  55 minimum.
Urea.....................................  15 maximum.
Cyanuric acid and triuret................  30 maximum.
Mineral oil..............................  0.5 maximum.
Total nitrogen (equivalent to 218.75 pct   35 minimum.
 crude protein).
FDA permits a certain amount of cyanuric acid to be present in some non-protein nitrogen (NPN) additives used in animal feed and drinking water.[4] Cyanuric acid has been used as NPN. For example, Archer Daniels Midland manufactures a NPN supplement for cattle, which contains biuret, triuret, cyanuric acid and urea.[5]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyanuric_acid

 



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« Reply #62 on: July 17, 2007, 02:28:26 PM »

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Has anyone come across the MSDS sheets that might be required for handling the vitamin premixes

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I just learned recently that the MSDS sheets are made by the manufacturer of each product. So if you want to find one you search for the product and msds and then if you know the manufacturer it really helps. Which vitamin premix are you looking for? and who makes it? and there may not be one for a mix.

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« Reply #63 on: July 17, 2007, 04:38:04 PM »

Thanks DB I started doing that tonight. I'll let you know what I find . It looks pretty yukky right now!!!
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« Reply #64 on: July 17, 2007, 05:08:30 PM »

1 gone-Don't forget;months ago we knew a co in Illinois was suspected of getting a shipment of contaminated gluten. ADM is headquartered there along w/Sara Lee & McDonalds.
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« Reply #65 on: July 17, 2007, 08:29:19 PM »

1gone said
"Now here is another thread to read.. scroll down to the long one, dated 3/23/2007 @ 5:32 pm..  It's pretty wild, worth a look

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bbs/message.php?page=3&showdate=3/26/07&messageid=362541&mpage=1 "
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Look at the comment on 3-23-2007 @ 5:43.   That is pretty interesting as well.  I wonder if there is something strange in this wheat gluten isolate.  ADM does not list pet food as an application, but who knows.  I'm going to try and research it.  Haven't been able to get much yet.  The first document I found was in Spanish.  Looks like we may all be eating it now or soon and they are really marketing to Hispanics.  I know JJ is pretty versed in protein isolates etc.  Any ideas?
 
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« Reply #66 on: July 17, 2007, 10:19:22 PM »

Some complex research going on here on this thread.  Wondered why it was still so active.  Should've been following it!

My husband and I have both said to one another we're so glad to have had the childhood food we had, raised our family when we did and had our own garden, fruit trees, berry bushes and even our own sheep always in clean pastures part of that time.  Our parents had gardens when we were growing up.  Mother spent much of her time canning during the summer.  We ate so well.  Even w/ DDT and malathion and other things my Daddy used on his garden, I was better off by far than babies born today will be as far as having good, safe, fresh food.  Some of my friends have volunteered the same feelings as they watch what is available to newborn and young grandchildren.  We never really worried about pet food being anything but safe, either.  But that was then, and this is now...a time to educate ourselves and become very pro-active for safer food supplies.  If you have good soil, a bit of space w/ good light, select your seed carefully and grow at least a salad garden! 
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« Reply #67 on: July 17, 2007, 10:34:43 PM »

I was in the grocery store tonight passing by the vitamins & looked down to see 'Natural L-Lysine'.  I thought, yeah, right, naturally produced with modified bacteria & who knows what else in the process. 

Even the 'natural' stuff is seeming suspect to me now.  Buying everything as close to it's original form as possible is best, though the meats & veggies seem to be so contaminated from one thing or another.  I'm feeding the dogs cheap steaks & hamburger--will they get a canine version of BSE one day?
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« Reply #68 on: July 18, 2007, 09:51:17 AM »

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I don't know how I missed that second patent you put up, but I did.  Just  read it this afternoon.  The embedding one.  Looks like a big free for all within foods, pet foods etc., of any of those compounds listed, is that what you got out of it?..  That is an astonishing patent indeed.  I'm not a chemist and certainly do not have the knowledge that some of our other fine posters have.   Why would General Mills desire such a patent? The date of issue 2001, the date of publication 2006..  Wonder if they plan on medicating whatever they desire or  protection for undesirables that bleed out from grains or recycling?   I've also wondered about codex too, is everyone scrambling?.  Many questions from a simple mind!  Maybe I will get my dose of alprazolam (Xanax) in my cereal bowl?  Will I have a choice?   I might need it after ingesting this one  > amphetamine sulfate is listed, good dose of that and the vacuum cleaner will be running like a Harley engine, get the house super clean..  Not to mention the antibiotics...  bacteria and viruses too?
 
DMS - Yes, I read those links too.  Noted ADM  in the bakery biz, sold part to the Dutch company in March http://www.foodnavigator.com/news/ng.asp?n=73791-csm-adm-bakery... and wasn't there something about bakery meal a while back? In the Netherlands too?  Lots of links within links there..
 
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NutraCea Announces commissioning of Stabilized Rice Bran Plant at Archer Daniels Midland Rice Facility and General Mills Supports CREATION of New Food Science Division at YourEncore(tm)
http://www.financialnewsusa.com/release.php?rlsid=775 
 
 
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« Reply #69 on: July 18, 2007, 09:59:07 AM »

 
 Related News  http://www.foodnavigator.com/news-by-product/news.asp?id=74954&idCat=7&k=Monsanto-Greenpeace-MON863-GM-maize

GM food industry eyes growth in the east
Human genes in rice spark new GM row
BASF announces changes to GM potato testing


14/3/2007 - Monsanto's genetically modified maize MON863, authorised for human consumption since 2006, showed signs of liver and kidney toxicity in a rat study, raising concerns about its safety.

The study, performed by French researchers from the independent CRIIGEN (Committee for Independent Research and Genetic Engineering), based at the University of Caen reports that rats fed the maize for three months showed signs of liver and kidney toxicity, as well as differences in weight gain between the sexes.

"Our counter-evaluation show that there are signs of toxicity and that nobody can say scientifically and seriously that consumption of the transgenic maize MON863 is safe and good for health," lead author of the study, Professor Gilles Eric Séralini told France's TF1 television station.

MON863 is a transgenic maize genetically modified to express the Bt-toxin (Cry3Bb1) which enables the plant to be insect repellent against the corn rootworm pest. It is different from other GM corns of the market since these express the Cry1Ab toxin which is toxic to the European corn borer.

The study, published on-line in the peer-review journal Archives of Environmental Contamination and Toxicology, fed young adult Sprague-Dawley-derived rats (aged six weeks at the start of the experiment) diets containing 11 or 30 per cent MON863, or diets containing non-GM corn for 90 days.

At the end of the study, Séralini and his team found signs of toxicity in the liver and kidneys of rats fed the MON863 maize, as well as changes to weight between the sexes. Indeed, male rats were found to have lost, on average, 3.3 per cent of their body weight, while females gained 3.7 per cent.

Triglyceride levels also increased by between 24 and 40 per cent in females, phosphorous and sodium excretion decreased in males.

"We have the first signs of toxicity that appear at the level of body weight, the kidneys, and the liver, and that are also different between the sexes indicating deeper effects at the hormone level," said Séralini.

The researchers raised concerns over the methods used by Monsanto to initially show the safety and non-toxicity of the corn, saying that the statistical methods used were insufficient to observed any possible disruptions in biochemistry.

The mechanism behind the apparent toxicity is not known, but there is some evidence that the Bt-toxin may perforate blood cells, they said.

"Considering that the human and animal populations could be exposed at comparable levels to this kind of food or feed that has been authorised by several countries, and that these are the best mammalian toxicity tests available, we strongly recommend a new assessment and longer exposure of mammals to these diets, with cautious clinical observations, before concluding that MON863 is safe to eat," concluded the researchers.

Environmental group Greenpeace has demanded an immediate and complete recall of MON863 from the global market, and also called on an urgent reassessment of all other authorised GM foods by governments.

"It is the first time that independent research, published in a peer-review journal, proves that a GMO authorised for human consumption presents signs of toxicity," said Arnaud Apoteker from Greenpeace France.

"We must review urgently the authorisation of MON863, even more so because we do not know is this maize is present in the French market and if it is used for animal feed or for producing foods destined for humans."

Monsanto France has rejected the concerns. Yann Fichet, Monsanto France's director of external relations told TF1: "[MON863] has already been examined by competent authorities and scientific experts in more than 10 countries worldwide, including the European Union and France, and all the experts concluded unanimously that the maize in question is as safe as traditional maize."

The corn is authorised in Australia, Canada, China, the EU, Japan, Mexico, the Philippines and the USA.
Source: Archives of Environmental Contamination and Toxicology
Published on-line ahead of print, doi: 10.1007/s00244-006-0149-5
"New analysis of a rat feeding study with a genetically modified maize reveals signs of hepatorenal toxicity"
Authors: G.-E. Séralini, D. Cellier, J. Spiroux de Vendomois
 

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« Reply #70 on: July 18, 2007, 02:46:40 PM »

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Looks like a big free for all within foods, pet foods etc., of any of those compounds listed, is that what you got out of it?.. 

Yes, as sad as it is to say, this runs parallel with "United States Patent 7,126,041 Helmer, et al., October 24, 2006 High efficiency gene targeting in plants, Inventors: Helmer; Georgia L. (Youngsville, NC), Allen; George C. (Raleigh, NC), Thompson; William F. (Raleigh, NC), Assignee: North Carolina State Unversity (Raleigh, NC), Appl. No.:  09/733,869, Filed: December 8, 2000" which encompasses transgenic alterations of basically all vegetable, fruit and tree species.  A list of each are quoted here http://itchmoforums.com/index.php?topic=924.75

I fear transgenic engineering and its resulting mutations and evolutions will be the end of, if it has not already killed some, inherent immune systems of living beings who are subject to the GAG foodstuffs.  We see it happening with bee colonies, and immune deficiency in humans is an every day medical term.  But, eventually viruses injected to the gene are going to possess markers that will reject the control and have a new immunity in their system, therefore necessitating a new invention to include the now mutated gene to suppress the inherent gene that transgenic tampering created in the first place.   This has such a snowball effect, that the bioengineer will forever be chasing that illusive gene of perfection.  That is, if they have not already by screening out the bugs since the last human gene was put together to clone around 1995 in England! 

The idea that the encapsulation can be decreased to millimeters is even scarier.  This, one is actually able to view.  The encapsulated substance wcan easily slipped into every day foodstuffs without knowledge, as it can look like flour or sugar or powders, 10xx sugar.  It can be colored to resemble any liquids and it can be made to resemble any meats.  It is injected into the grains and it is poured upon the soil.  It is in the beef and in the chickens.  It is in the apple eaten every day.  It appears to be no way of getting around it, or away from it.  It has already had the damage done.

Perhaps this is the reason why Ventria is planting rice with lactoferrin and lysozyme in order to create future remedies of transgenic side effects upon humans.  This could be a test case, I don't know, I can only speculate.   Maybe the improvements to correct, modify and enhance inventions that I see are reason to become mighty speculative and thoughts of backfire enter my processing pattern, as I wonder about who or what the test case is or was and whether it worked or backfired.

My search has left me in awe and opened my eyes as to exactly what has and is going on, and I feel screwed as an individual for being subjected.  Seriously speaking, this is an invasion, a civil infraction if you will, of large proportions; we are all eating this food and drinking the liquids.  We all take vitamins and supplements as a staple and we all drink liquids for hydration, strength and alertness.  We all take the pills our doctors' prescribe and we do the same for our animal friends.  This makes for no escape unless we all go organic, and even then there is cause for suspect.  The answer, I imagine, is simply grow your own and raise your own if you want to eat and survive.   But, who can do that today with so many living day by day?  As it currently stands, it seems we are stuck with no recourse the damage has been done.

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« Reply #71 on: July 18, 2007, 09:20:37 PM »

I can't seem to find how acetaminophin is made, keep getting links to the recall a few years ago.  Is it strictly chemical, in the lab, in the test tube?  Or can it be converted from one chemical to acetaminophen by biological processes?

I don't have a lot of time to go thru it right now, but I found this:

http://www.chemheritage.org/EducationalServices/pharm/asp/asp08.htm

Long ago there was a pain reliever called phenacetin. In 1889, eight years before Felix Hoffmann synthesized aspirin, another German scientist, Karl Morner, discovered that the body broke phenacetin down into another compound, acetaminophen. Acetaminophen was actually responsible for reducing pain and fever. No one paid much attention to this discovery until years later, when people learned that phenacetin was really too dangerous to use as a drug. But a small drug company in Pennsylvania called McNeil Laboratories decided to take a look at acetaminophen. It turned out that acetaminophen had all the pain- and fever-reducing power of phenacetin (of course) but was much safer. Since it didn't cause stomach upset like aspirin could, McNeil first sold acetaminophen in 1955 as a pain and fever reliever for children, calling it Tylenol Children's Elixir. Appropriately for an antipyretic, it was sold in a package that looked like a red fire truck.

If you follow the phenacetin link, you find this:

Even before the breakup of Bayer, contraband formulators and smugglers had been making sure that cheaper, albeit illegal, aspirin graced the shelves of the drugstores of North and South America. Many of these products, the fake aspirin alluded to above, were simply cornstarch, or some aspirin mixed with cornstarch or any other white, powdery substance that was cheap and available.

Seems to me we've been talking about a bunch of other white, powdery substances lately.  I'm not sure how this fits in, but I think it's all got to be related.

debsue I agree it sure looks like its all related. When I had found an ingredient in my vit B tablets I wrote to the company about it and they claimed it was not in their new batches. This ingredient that I googled came up as having acetimenophen in it so why I asked them was it in the vitamin? I did not want a pain reliever in my vitamins and they just told me it was not that but sorry didn't believe them. Great post by the way.
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« Reply #72 on: August 08, 2007, 08:39:01 PM »

here is the original response from the Canadian government naming the amino acid as lysine:

Your request for information has been forwarded to me for response.  The amino acid that came in was a lysine sulfate product that has a lysine guarantee for <50%, thus it is not a pure amino acid.  It contained cyanuric acid and was negative for melamine.  We did not test it for other contaminants.  Due to confidentiality, I cannot provide you with the company name.
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I just found this corn producing higher amounts of lysine and wonder if there may be some connection:

4 August 2007

Australia: Trans-Tasman rift emerges over GE corn

ABC News, August 4 2007

A split has emerged between New Zealand and Australia over the approval of a type of genetically-engineered (GE) corn.

The New Zealand Food Safety Minister has overridden the joint food authority's approval of the corn for human consumption.

New Zealand has deferred the approval of Monsanto's high lysine genetically-engineered corn under its Food Safety guidelines.

The corn is engineered to add weight to pigs and poultry but has been approved for human consumption by Food Standards Australia New Zealand (FSANZ).

FSANZ's Lydia Buchtmann says the GE corn is safe for humans.

"We've gone out and done additional work on this, and had it peer reviewed so we're highly confident that it's safe," she said.

Greenpeace's Louise Sales says only uncooked GE corn has been tested on animals.

"It's the cooking process that can actually cause the formation of dangerous compounds," she said.

The joint food authority says the approval is in case the GE corn is accidentally mixed with food products.

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