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« Reply #375 on: July 06, 2008, 07:17:15 AM »


The only thing I want is an answer to what made them sick & why 2 of mine have residual urinary problems & my neighbors has stomach problems. They were all fine before.



I agree, along with many, many others --  we want to know what made them sick and what is causing the continued problems and what does the future hold.  I've heard this from so many people.

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« Reply #376 on: July 06, 2008, 07:24:58 AM »

Answers to these questions are also very important in knowing how to treat them.   
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« Reply #377 on: July 06, 2008, 11:16:01 AM »

Thats what I'm running into now,there are just too many things that can cause these problems. Without knowing what caused it in the first place ,treating it is almost impossible ! The new vet thinks something in the food caused severe inflammation in the kidneys & liver or even stones or crystals. They are gone now but he's afraid there will be residual UTI's & problems forever. I don't have enough money to run every medical test there is trying to find the answer & wouldn't put them through all that upset if I did.  Any pet food companies reading this; step up with some answers & proof that your food is now safe ! You will earn eternal gratitude & recommendations for it. Even home cookers & raw feeders need a good ,safe emergency backup.
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« Reply #378 on: July 06, 2008, 02:07:18 PM »

As long as AAFCO/FDA is the regulator and the ingredient definitions are not completely reexamined and revised,
eliminating most of the allowed chemicals and rendered components and other products of the fake meat making
extrusion arts the commercial pet food companies are so proud of, and as long as nutritionally complete and balanced
is based on studies lacking scientific veterinary validation and feeding trials of only six months (at most) or
family-equivalence paperwork, is there such a thing as safe commercial pet food?
You can't even get AAFCO/FDA to ban SRMs such as BSE prions from inclusion in pet food. Shouldn't the public,
particularly cat owners, see that warning on every label?
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« Reply #379 on: July 06, 2008, 04:49:58 PM »

Wouldn't we all just like the truth from the pet food companys? What are the long term effects from the variety of ingredients that made our  pets ill?

Lesliek It sounds like you are being harressed. Maybe you could have the sender arrested? HaHa!
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« Reply #380 on: July 06, 2008, 06:02:46 PM »

Don't I wish !
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« Reply #381 on: July 06, 2008, 07:17:11 PM »


 I still have 2 -32 gallon trash cans full of pf thats still not expired. I only get rid of it when it goes out of date. You never know if someone will need it for testing.


I've been thinking about this one.  If a toxin in present in the kibble, then wouldn't a toxin still be present in kibble that may have past its expiration date? 

I'd hold on to some of it, even if expired.
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« Reply #382 on: July 06, 2008, 07:34:56 PM »

What I worried about is if its a mold based toxin, it could appear after it goes out of date. I don't have an empty freezer to use just for old pf. Wish I did. I do have some of the Purina frozen & will freeze some of the Evangers before it goes out. But the others are all things I hardly used any of, or that my neighbors hardly used any of & I am not aware of anyone needing them at this time. Those I toss [in small ziplocs a few at a time every week] when they expire. Unfortunately none of them but 1 bag of Evangers are unopened.
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« Reply #383 on: July 06, 2008, 07:58:21 PM »

Leslie, Im sorry if Im not remembering correctly, but didnt you still want to get some sort of test run on that food, I cant remember what kind though? 
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« Reply #384 on: July 06, 2008, 08:33:30 PM »

Yes , I think the heavy metals & maybe unknown toxins. Still trying to figure out what else. Its like a jigsaw puzzle trying to guess what to test for. We know it has too much copper,but that is usually only a problem by itself for certain breeds[none of the dogs affected are those breeds]. In the presence of an excess of certain other metals its effects can be worse. There are just too many things that can cause the symptoms the dogs had & have. Also too many possible problems with different ingredients in the food. I don't know how Don deals with it, its almost impossible to figure out. What we need is unlimited funds & testing ability. If we could test large amounts of food for every problem & to be sure it contains the right amounts of things we might get somewhere. Until then its hit or miss on finding the problems. Very frustrating ! Its ridiculous that we as consumers have to do this,the pf co's and gov't agencies should be doing it ! Last week I went to the meat market & bought 65 lbs of meat & organs. Then 15 lbs of clams & 4 lbs of wild caught Alaskan salmon. Along with 20 lbs of organic,local chicken. It was a lot easier when I could just buy a few cans & bags. That won't be happening again in my lifetime though. Or my dogs or cats lifetimes. Tomorrow I am heading to the health food store for manuka honey and Bluebonnet dairy free acidophilus. Then I need to order Lewis labs lethicin and brewers yeast. Also a stop at the local organic farm for eggs. But I have to say that even with the residual problems from last yrs food & a lifetime of crappy commercial food, my dogs and cats are looking and doing better than ever. Trooper at 10 1/2 is more energetic than in the last 3 yrs. Punkin at 17 looks and acts like he's 5. No more chronic skin and ear problems. No more vomitting,diarrhea and hairballs. Its worth the time,cost and effort. When you break it down by lb its even cheaper.
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« Reply #385 on: July 06, 2008, 10:31:50 PM »

leslie agree that we should not have to do all the testing and pay for it also. But thank goodness there are people who did test and still test. In turn they pass the information on so we are more informed and aware.

Pet food should never have gotten to the point it is now-not knowing if it is damaging to your pet should you chose to feed it. 3cat brought up good points also and until this is accomplished we all have to stay together to help each other and put the word out when our pets have reactions to the foods so others with same reactions in their pets can then question if it is the food.
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« Reply #386 on: July 07, 2008, 02:00:53 PM »

Join Netflix and skip the movies; donate to pfsa.org as often as you can and whatever you can.
Safe and healthful, and commercial pet food have nothing whatsoever to do with each other in
2008 in my opinion because nobody is testing at adequate levels and no one has researched what
is nutritionally required adequately. Just food for thought. Consumer experience warnings are all
we've got to help the furkids with.
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« Reply #387 on: July 07, 2008, 02:47:29 PM »

Another good way to donate is the $ you would have spent eating out or getting takeout. I don't
 feel safe eating that way anymore & it will hopefully get us some answers.
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« Reply #388 on: July 07, 2008, 05:04:31 PM »

Lesliek Have you thought about using your states dept of Ag & Mkts. for testing? Also ewg.org is testing perhaps they would test your food for nothing and  it sounds like they are able to test for more potential problems at one time.

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« Reply #389 on: July 07, 2008, 05:33:05 PM »

My state can't test food,I already tried that with the Purina. In fact we are lucky to even have an Ag dept. The gov wants to get rid of it to save money.I live in the so called garden state-NJ. I will try EWG though.
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