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Author Topic: FDA Suspends Temporary Emergency Permit of Pet Food Maker Evanger's  (Read 17109 times)
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« Reply #195 on: May 14, 2008, 10:17:01 PM »

Get the links between the img and /img tags you get when you hit the photo icon and if you're not sure, preview the post until you see the photo.
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« Reply #196 on: May 14, 2008, 10:17:18 PM »

Yep 3 cat, thats where it was.
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« Reply #197 on: May 14, 2008, 10:17:26 PM »

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« Reply #198 on: May 14, 2008, 10:19:16 PM »



OK--got it through properties again!
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« Reply #199 on: May 14, 2008, 10:21:50 PM »

The post is reply #191 on page 13.

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« Reply #200 on: May 14, 2008, 10:21:57 PM »

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« Reply #201 on: May 14, 2008, 10:23:19 PM »



Properties to the rescue again!
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« Reply #202 on: May 14, 2008, 10:52:51 PM »

And commercial pet food companies don't understand it seems why consumers want documented proof for
statements/ads about ingredients and pet food safety ... banging head against Mr. Sellers' stone wall.
http://www.petfoodindustry.com/ViewArticle.aspx?id=18136
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« Reply #203 on: May 14, 2008, 11:01:51 PM »

This could be helpful to a well-meaning company having trouble with communications.

http://www.psandman.com/col/empathy.htm
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« Reply #204 on: May 14, 2008, 11:39:29 PM »

I'm sorry Mr. Sher... but Lesleik has the hard evidence.
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« Reply #205 on: May 15, 2008, 04:03:27 AM »

This could be helpful to a well-meaning company having trouble with communications.

http://www.psandman.com/col/empathy.htm

Klondike, that's a very good link to refer Evanger's to.

(I think we all remember Natura taking this stance. And, while Natura pounded their chests consumers kept testing their products. The lab test results have ended up as an exhibit in the Florida Lawsuit and Natura is a named defendant.  Currently, show & tell is underway (discovery) with the parties having to turn over documentation and provide information as it pertains to the issues and Answers are due to be filed in the near future. This can be viewed at: http://news.justia.com/cases/featured/florida/flsdce/1:2007cv21221/295436/ )

Here's some for info on consumer commentary:

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http://injury.findlaw.com/defamation-libel-slander/defenses-to-libel-and-slander.html

Truth serves as an affirmative defense to an action for libel or slander.

A statement does not need to be literally true in order for this defense to be effective. Courts require that the statement is substantially true in order for the defense to apply. This means that even if the defendant states some facts that are false, if the "gist" or "sting" of the communication is substantially true, then the defendant can rely on the defense.
 
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http://www.chillingeffects.org/index.cgi

Chilling Effects Clearinghouse

A joint project of the Electronic Frontier Foundation and Harvard, Stanford, Berkeley, University of San Francisco, University of Maine, George Washington School of Law, and Santa Clara University School of Law clinics.

Do you know your online rights? Have you received a letter asking you to remove information from a Web site or to stop engaging in an activity? Are you concerned about liability for information that someone else posted to your online forum? If so, this site is for you.

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http://69.63.136.213/documents/ACFE6B9.pdf

Legal Perils and Legal Rights of Internet Speakers
Outline prepared by Paul Alan Levy regarding Internet Free Speech. Contains legal citations, links to relevant web sites, and other resources.

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seeking to punish .. for participation in public forums based upon the content of her speech; such action constitutes viewpoint discrimination in violation of her rights to freedom of speech and freedom of association protected by the First and Fourteenth Amendments to the United States Constitution.  42 U.S.C. 1983 prohibits the violation of constitutional rights, Freedom of Speech and Expressive Association under color of state law.

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In Bally Total Fitness Holding Corporation v Andrew S Faber, (C.D.Ca. 1998) 29 F.Supp.2d 1161, 1167, the Court stated, Here, however, Faber is using Bally's mark in the context of a consumer commentary to say that Bally engages in business practices which Faber finds distasteful or unsatisfactory. This is speech protected by the First Amendment. ... As such, Faber can use Bally's mark to identify the source of the goods or services of which he is complaining. This use is necessary to maintain broad opportunities for expression...."
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Because plaintiff's site did not incite or produce imminent lawless action, the Court held that defendant was not entitled to the injunction sought. "Plaintiff's verbal pyrotechnics have surely been offensive but ...(o)ffensive speech -- even if it 'stirs people to anger' -- is ordinarily protected."

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« Reply #206 on: May 15, 2008, 05:30:28 AM »

Offy posts:  "Truth serves as an affirmative defense to an action for libel or slander."

 Grin

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« Reply #207 on: May 15, 2008, 06:14:31 AM »

SandiK,

Do you mean this post?

"One thing we can all be thankful for is this company does respond to complaints about their food. 

I contacted them regarding a problem I had.  After 10 days I didn’t hear back so I emailed them regarding my issue. I didn’t threaten suit or ask for money or even request a refund on the bag of food I still have.  I simply wanted them to know I had a problem with the food.  I greatly appreciate the VP taking the time to address my issues.  I'm certain he was busy but he took the time necessary to write me.  I would like to share the latter portion of the email.

I certainly have no problem with you contacting the FDA.  However, I must warn you that if you proceed with any effort to slander our company, we will have no alternative but to file legal action against you personally.  Monetary amounts for damages could easily be in the millions, which we would seek to recover.
 
I would suggest that if you have any personal issues with using any of our products, then do not use them.  It would not be in either of our best interests for you to slander our company.
 
We appreciate your interest.
 
Respectfully,
Joel Sher, Vice President
Evanger's Dog & Cat Food Company, Incorporated


Thank you Joel for you advise.  I wont."  

Trouble is, I'm not sure who posted it.  It appears to be based on facts from the persons own experience, so it passes the slander/libel test.

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Having just got up and read through this thread -I can not believe the response that jjjon got--if this is authentic, I have to say it is one of the worst things I have heard since March 16, 2007.  And I have heard some pretty bad things about our pet food industry!  It make me question who may be the extortionist--in my own opinion of course.
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« Reply #208 on: May 15, 2008, 06:37:09 AM »

Interesting response, wasn't it. Taking the path of intimidation (chilling effects) to silence critics and consumer commentary rarely ever is going to add new customers and can scare off any others who would like to try the product but are afraid of what would happen if something goes wrong and is often sufficient to give the company a reputation of not being consumer oriented...., yup, that's my opinion  Grin

This from NY is interesting too: http://www.oag.state.ny.us/press/2007/feb/feb15b_07.html

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“Companies don’t have the right to pick and choose who can test their products, nor can they legally silence criticism,” Cuomo  (edited to add: NY Attorney General Andrew Cuomo) said.  “Companies that believe in their products should welcome the free exchange of information and opinions — not threaten legal action against critics. In this case, many customers did not even have an opportunity to soldier through a lengthy license agreement —  which threatened their rights — until buying the product. That is unacceptable.”

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« Reply #209 on: May 15, 2008, 07:23:28 AM »

Thank you everyone,keep bumping this thread up. We want everyone to have a chance to read their responses before deciding to buy or feed their food.
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