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KimS
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« on: August 09, 2007, 11:43:42 PM »

I'm dead serious. I want to know which brands people like yourselves are comfortable with feeding your dog.

My guy has a sensitive belly. Stress causes stomach issues which in turn causes poopy issues.

I'm talking cream of the crop in your own opinion.

Right now he's eating Wellness wet and dry. I would like another option.

Thanks in advance.
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« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2007, 07:35:20 AM »

You asked for an honest opinion, so I will give you mine.
None. What has changed? Poisoned garbage has presumably been replaced with non-toxic garbage. Nothing has changed in the ingredients. Still the worst of the worst. Still by product and rendered. Still the same old same old. With each can I opened or open, I am filled with terror. In my opinion, and that is all this is, just my opinion, none of it is safe. Thanks to the extremely kind input of an Itchmo member, I may finally be able to loose the FFT&G for once and for all. I am forced to feed it for medical issues, (how bizarre is that?)
One thing I have noticed is some people tend to be over concerned about a balanced diet. They keep feeding store bought because they feel they cannot feed a diet as balanced and healthy by preparing it themselves. How many dead pets will it take to convince people that nothing they can buy is safe. It is a gamble with every can or bag you open. Just my opinion.
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« Reply #2 on: August 10, 2007, 07:51:40 AM »

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It is a gamble with every can or bag you open.

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6 Months ago I would have said you were nuts, lunatic, paranoid, etc. Now, I just don't know.

Every bag that we open, we do the smell test, look for anything weird, check it constantly, check their poop, check if they pee enough, does the pee smell too strong? are they drinking too much or too little? I even check their gums, to see if the color is right, make sure their noses are cold and wet.

Stress, oh yes, but until we can afford to feed these monsters home cooked, we are stuck with buying commercial food.

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« Reply #3 on: August 10, 2007, 04:43:51 PM »

Ok. Then I will rephrase that question.
What dog food is the best of the dog foods that exsist today?
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« Reply #4 on: August 10, 2007, 05:10:25 PM »

db:  I have one 55 lb dog that I've been home feeding & let me tell you it IS brutally expensive.  I'm so afraid of commercial food but I have to at least go back to half & half.  I'm retired so I don't have a lot of extra bucks sitting around these days.  I can't even imagine the cost with multiple dogs/cats.

Kim:  I'm in the process of trying Wellness Core because I can't get Orijen around here.  Everyone seems to agree that Orijen is very good.  The other one I want to try is Natures Variety.  Wellness Core is chicken/turkey.....Hannah is having some wicked allergy problems & I'm not sure if it's possibly chicken or whether it's airborne allergies (vet said it's very unlikely it is chicken but who knows).  NV comes in venison & I believe rabbit so I think I might try getting her off chicken & see what happens.

Only problem is I can't seem to find out where NV makes their dry.....I believe their canned is made at Menu but I don't use canned.  Wellness is made in their own plant in MA & some of their canned is made at Menu. Angry

The high end holistic pet store I now go to only carries the very best in pet food.  The lady who owns the place said she feeds NV frozen raw with the kibble & she said she's very happy with it. Grin

I'm like dingbat:  now that I started to feed her a tiny amount of commercial, I keep watching her when she goes out to do her business, her water intake, her energy level......I am sooooo paranoid & afraid of commercial pf.  But I don't know what else to do. Huh Huh Huh
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« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2007, 05:52:40 PM »

KimS & JanC-Double check the Wellness;they stopped making their own.
DB & JanC- I'm with you on the cost,but its still cheaper than testing & vet bills.Plus the time ! I spend 2 days every 2 weeks just making dog & cat food & treats.
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« Reply #6 on: August 10, 2007, 06:04:40 PM »

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but its still cheaper than testing & vet bills

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I agree, but we wouldn't be able to afford feed these dogs.

There are over 600lbs of dogs (7) here, you have any idea of how much food they would eat. It just isn't feasible now, maybe later.

We are feeding NB Ultra, so far so good.

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« Reply #7 on: August 10, 2007, 08:43:15 PM »

We have just one dog at this time, 21# Cavalier King Charles Spaniel.  He has been eating half home cooked (does he ever love this!) and half Canidae All Life Stages for perhaps two months, also went thru one bag of Canidae Chicken And Rice ALS along w/ his home cooked.  This seems to suit him fine.  I worry each day about the kibble, which looks fine, smells fine, and Jake says is fine. 

Jake (the dog) has quite a problem w/ his coat coming out in chunks.  His skin is very healthy looking.  He is not quite two yet, so this is just his second summer.  Same thing happened last summer but he didn't have adult coat so it was not quite as prolific a shedding problem as this summer.  Seems to be seasonal and not necessarily food related.  He was not getting home cooking last summer, except for the occasional raw veggie to chew on, or a slice of apple or piece of banana.  None the less, I am one of those who is concerned about how "complete and balanced" his home cooked part is.  That leads us to today, when I thought I would get Orijen adult kibble and do the Jake taste test.  I've always liked to rotate a bit between "flavors" of kibble.  That's one of the things that drew me to Natura's California Natural varieties to occasionally substitute for his Karma.  That routine never upset his stomach.  But back to the Orijen and the Jake taste test.  He usually loves anything new and different first time around, even if next day he turns it down.  He didn't get the least bit excited over the Orijen, which looks fine, smells fine to me and in fact it should be just fine.  I see reports of dogs fed by Itchmo readers loving their's.Checked the whole bag.  Took up a serving for him.  He ate a few bites and walked away.  Just a case of picky eater.  This is not his flavor!

So Jake votes for Canidae kibble.  He also has three favorite Evangers canned he seems to love even more than our home cooking.  One is their canned All Fresh Vegetarian, which we added our own cooked chicken thigh meat to, and then Evangers Beef Dinner w/ Chunks, and Evangers Braised Beef Chunks and Gravy.  It is hard to find these "flavors" in our local stores, even 'tho they carry that line.  Since we have just one small dog, I hesitate ordering a whole case, especially since they did at least at one time have a bit of a problem with their equipment after the recall.  People turned to them as an alternate to what they had been feeding and my guess is that it put a good bit of pressure on Evangers to turn out the volume suddenly required.

All of the above is just my thoughts and Jake's reaction.  Each dog is different.  It will be a long time before I open a bag or a can from any company and feel safe putting it down for our little guy. 
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« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2007, 09:25:27 PM »

Kim I do not feel very safe feeding much of anything now days. But right now for my dog it is Evangers and very little kibble from a bag of CA Nat I have left to wean him off of it......even with all of this....I seldom feel safe..I do add homecooked. Ya know, I move slowly with the foods because it can on its own (changes) cause diarrhea and all...ughhh
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« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2007, 10:17:07 PM »

Kim I too follow almost what SandyBeach does. Cept I only use the canned Evangers (mostly the organic now) with home cooking. As all the rest has been tampered with  in some way, shape or form it is just not safe to feed IMO. With large dogs such as dingbat has there is not much choice to not feed commercial as long as the dogs are doing good and in good health also.
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« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2007, 12:33:11 AM »

 Smiley Thanks for taking the time everybody!  Smiley
What about Evangers? Do they make it themselves?
No outsourcing?
Thanks!
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« Reply #11 on: August 11, 2007, 05:57:45 AM »

KimS- Evangers makes their own cans,Ohio makes their dry. Don't forget their dry may have been what made my Chi sick. Haven't been able to test it yet, & haven't heard back from them.
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« Reply #12 on: August 11, 2007, 09:35:06 AM »

dingbat wrote:
"6 Months ago I would have said you were nuts, lunatic, paranoid, etc. Now, I just don't know."
(Sorry. I don't know how to make the 'box'.Wink
Six months ago I would have agreed with you!!! I to am on a very limited income. Around here human food is off the scale. But, so is pet food. I know the cost to feed large dogs would be prohibitive. Just feeding two cats and one toy Pom costs me a fortune. We are very remote and have only one grocery store, a 30 mile round trip in itself. FF, with tax, is $.65 per can. That works out, for me, to $144.90 every 30 days, just for the FF. The plus side is I have found a farm, up the road from me, (never knew it was there), that raises and sells organic chicken, turkey, and beef. I can buy it in bulk at a very reasonable cost. They grow their own grain and hay. We also have a slaughter house, where you can buy large quantities and rent a locker to keep it frozen in, and take what you want, when you want it. Their prices are excellent, but, I am the problem here. To get in you have to go past the animals waiting to be killed. I just don't have the makeup for that. So, I chose the farm. If I had to buy retail, all the food I need, just for my three tiny ones, I could not afford it. Here is an example. My Pom, 8lbs, gets Yam or Sweet potato (1/2 the amount of food), in her meals. (Tummy issues from damage from ingesting plastic in high end pet food). One Yam or One Sweet Potato is $1.99 EACH!!!! Not per pound. That is where we are with food in upstate NY. All our meats and poultry used to be local, and organically grown. Then the local supermarket was bought out by one of the big super market chains, and now it is all imported, pre-packaged, and they claim they have no idea where the meat originates from. All they will tell me is it arrives packed and ready to be put out.Sad And this should thrill me because?HuhHuh
After my two Shelties died from posion pet food, I thought long and hard about my next dog. One of the main considerations was size. With the pet food situation as it is, and what we have to pay for food around here, I decided to adopt the smallest dog I could, so I would be able to afford to feed her the best. How wierd is that? This is supposed to be the USA.The best of everything...... Yet, as caretakers of theses oh so special companions of ours, we still, six months after the fact, have to live in fear of what might be in the pet food this week. Personally, I am sick and tired of living in fear that the next can might kill them. The monetary hardship of buying and preparing food for a large dog or many pets in one household is impossible for most people. I have no solution. I just continue to sit here, with my heart breaking for everyone and their pets. Win loose or draw, by Monday all of my kids will be on home cooked. I have no choice. Please check the FF problems with pet food forum. I have a new issue to post. Cry
i wish all of you the very best luck with what you are doing. The brands you mention like Wellness, and Evangers, etc., are not availabe around here anywhere. I would have to have it shipped. The amount I would have to buy, plus the new infalted shipping costs, would cost more then buying and cooking!
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« Reply #13 on: August 13, 2007, 05:19:49 AM »

 Pmm, I agree, our dog can't eat a regular home-cooked diet,[am still reformulating, adding more oats and other whole grains,], the vets say that the protein level in the food  I was cooking was too high.  I have been feeding By Nature organics dry and Organix canned, she is doing well, also I have been giving her slippery elm, but don't know if it can be used long-term, does anyone??  I also found out something very interesting about some dog food companies that use calcium carbonate in the dry food formulas, it is actually damaging to the bones, in animals and humans, rather than save bone it really only helps to destroy it.  I noticed that Natural Balance uses it in the organic dry food, don't know about the rest of the dry.  All I know is I won't use any food with menidione, or, now, calcium carbonate.  If you guys are feeding home-cooked, you can find a good, safe alternative to calcium carb. by buying Kal bone meal powder at a health food store.  I have one of those lead testing kits that I bought at a hardware store, and tested the powder, and it came out negative for lead.  I will call them today and find out about mercury and other toxins.  The company that makes all the american made products is nutraceutical.com or you can call them at 1-800-365-5966
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