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Author Topic: USDA Doesn’t Want Farm To Test All Cows For Mad Cow Disease  (Read 6709 times)
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« on: May 30, 2007, 07:36:16 AM »

From Itchmo main page for 30 May 2007

http://www.itchmo.com/read/usda-doesnt-want-farm-to-test-all-cows-for-mad-cow-disease_20070530

"The Bush administration said Tuesday it will fight to keep meatpackers from testing all their animals for mad cow disease."

There isn't much to say about this. The article pretty much says it all. All I can add is, this is beyond comprehension. Are we all like living in the "twilight zone"? Huh

I feel like I am in a bad dream and I want to wake up, this can't really be happening can it?

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« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2007, 10:05:30 AM »

I didn't know what to do besides shake my head in wonder at this when I first saw it....

doG forbid that a farm would want to take extra steps to ensure the food they were providing is safe.  I thought gov't was suppose to look out for the people, not fight against what's in the best interest.
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« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2007, 10:26:15 AM »


I need a "FDA for Dummies" book.  When it's melamine with an alleged "low risk" to humans (as long as a human doesn't eat too much of it so the human can reap the benefits of the "dilution factor") then it is UP TO THE INDUSTRY to police and govern themselves through industry-wide VOLUNTARY testing withOUT the FDA getting involved.

BUT, when the a farm doing just that, governing themselves withOUT the USDA/FDA getting involved by monitoring its own safety, THEN the gov wants to fight it because if a "false" positive is found, then it would hurt the cow-industry. 

What about when it isn't a "false" positive, but an actual positive?  Wouldn't a ...surprise! No one tested the cows and now 1,000's die from BSE!...cause a bigger threat to the cow-industry?

exCUUUUUse ME!  I forgot myself there for a moment.  I actually thought the FDA is supposed to make SENSE!  Silly me.  I forgot that you just can't expect morons, idiots, and the criminally insane (FDA administration officials) to make SENSE!

We wouldn't want something as crazy as SAFE FOOD, now would we!?!   Roll Eyes

Did I get that right?

With a little more practice, I might be able to get to chapter two of "FDA for Dummies" book.
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« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2007, 10:50:05 AM »

I just spoke to Chicken Little, and he has been wondering whether it is the big beef industry behind the other tainted meats problem somehow (can that happen?) ...or is it that our own gov'ment is simply trying to do us in.

Does getcha to thinking weirdly when things run amuck too long....and the moon is Full.

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« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2007, 01:14:03 PM »

It doesn't get any clearer that that! The govt is openly fighting for big corporate profits at the expense of their citizens' safety. Aren't these the same folks who are always screaming about "free trade"Huh Of course using OUR tax dollars to fight AGAINST our safety takes the cake.

No doubt I will be remembering this in November. ANd every day at the grocery store when I am deciding which products to purchase and which companies I would like to do business with ...
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« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2007, 02:22:17 PM »

OMG!!!!!! the USDA controls the test kits and won't give them out?! WTF?!   Shocked

did I miss this earlier? just saw it on Lou.

I. CAN'T. TAKE. IT. ANYMORE.
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« Reply #6 on: May 30, 2007, 04:27:43 PM »

Straybaby

Glue your head back together, Tongue go pick up the pieces and sit down and start gluing, I find that elmer's glue works best, probably all the MPC in it. Grin

You know this keeps getting weirder every day. Its like we are all in the "twilight zone", or a bad Stephen King novel. I like Stephen King but some of his stuff was almost as weird as what is going on now. Tongue

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« Reply #7 on: May 30, 2007, 05:15:47 PM »

dingbat

it IS getting really out there! and i say "getting" because we so prob aren't done with this . . .
and seeing the clip of the pres going on about how this was ok takes it to a new level.

do they think we don't get it and are buying their verbal crap hook line and sinker?!

and this is from a person who thought she was jaded!! lol!~   Shocked


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« Reply #8 on: May 30, 2007, 05:30:13 PM »

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do they think we don't get it and are buying their verbal crap hook line and sinker?!

Lots of people do. There are many out there that believe what they see on the news, what they read in the paper, whatever they are told.

Then there are us "fanatic, lunatic, over the edge types, conspiracy nuts" that are questioning everything.

I remember some years ago talking to an older relative, her statement was "xxx is the president and whether we like him or not, he is the president and we do what he says"

I found this to be quite odd and did not continue the conversation. Point here is that many of the populace will just follow whatever they are told, not questioning any of it because they believe in America and they absolutely believe that their government would never harm them.

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« Reply #9 on: May 30, 2007, 05:50:03 PM »

You guys are funny!  I needed a good laugh.  It helps these days.
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« Reply #10 on: May 30, 2007, 07:48:54 PM »

How much time and cost would it take to test every single cow?  How many cows are tested currently anyway?  1 in 100?  1 in 1000?  I don't know how much a test kit costs, but if they had to buy 100 or 1000 times what they currently spend on test kits, what affect do you think that would have on beef prices?
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« Reply #11 on: May 30, 2007, 08:10:02 PM »

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How much time and cost would it take to test every single cow?  How many cows are tested currently anyway?  1 in 100?  1 in 1000?  I don't know how much a test kit costs, but if they had to buy 100 or 1000 times what they currently spend on test kits, what affect do you think that would have on beef prices?

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Or should I say devil, anyway I believe that I read that about 1% of cows are tested. As with anything if testing grew even to 50% test kits would become cheaper, more or them would be produced.

Second as to price increase let us assume that a test kit costs $100 per cow, also assuming that we get about 800lbs of meat from each cow at 50% testing that would come out to $50 per cow, divide that by 800 and we get a whopping $.0625 cents increase per lb. Tongue

WOW what a price to pay for safe beef. That wouldn't even effect the poor folks would it. 6 cents a pound isn't going to effect anyone, balance that against even one case of mad cow and you are way ahead testing.

I don't believe that we need to test 100% but 50% should give us a real good idea of the health of the herd. It would be next to impossible to slip a bad one in there.

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« Reply #12 on: May 30, 2007, 08:32:43 PM »

How much time and cost would it take to test every single cow?  How many cows are tested currently anyway?  1 in 100?  1 in 1000?  I don't know how much a test kit costs, but if they had to buy 100 or 1000 times what they currently spend on test kits, what affect do you think that would have on beef prices?

does it really matter?! this is not mandatory, it's something a rancher wants to do on it's own. it's called freedom of choice. same as the dairy folks that choose not to use hormones, farmers that chose not to use GM grains.

wouldn't you like to know how your food is produced? and wouldn't you like to have known options?

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« Reply #13 on: May 30, 2007, 08:46:11 PM »

Do they not want these ranchers to test cause they would have a corner on the market for their beef when the american people knew that this company went that extra step to insure that their food was safe to eat? Dont want to cut out the competition now do we? WTF! Might also be that these men who care for these animals do not want their herd to get tainted and drop dead either. Come on now how would we ship the beef to China and Mexico so they could marinate it with the raw sewage and then ship it back to us so we'd be happy to make them some more money if we let people here test their cows? What poison goes around comes around, is that the mindset then? Is that what they are doing to us?
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« Reply #14 on: May 30, 2007, 08:57:37 PM »

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Do they not want these ranchers to test cause they would have a corner on the market for their beef

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From what I understand some of the very large cattle producers didn't want to test their beef, fine so they shouldn't have to but they raised enough stink so that this other rancher is now prohibited from doing it.

They were concerned that if Creekstone (rancher in question) tested his they would be forced into testing too and they persuaded the USDA to stop testing.

Believe it or not, YOU ARE NOT EVEN FREE ENOUGH IN THIS COUNTRY TO TEST YOU OWN PRODUCT.

You know I got this nice little cave picked out in ...... Tongue

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