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« Reply #30 on: July 21, 2008, 11:41:54 PM »

That is interesting, MaineMom about the fertile male tortie. I'd like to know more about him, too.

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« Reply #31 on: July 22, 2008, 09:45:36 AM »

It's harder for a female to turn out orange for the same reason most torties are female - orange is X-linked. Females have two X-chromosomes, and both have to carry the orange gene. If only one does, you get a tortie or calico. Males only have the one X, so they have a higher chance of turning out orange. KD's one of those odd orange girlcats.

A fertile male tortie/calico could be a chimera - basically when two embryos fuse. Rare but possible.
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« Reply #32 on: July 22, 2008, 09:49:57 AM »

Here is an interesting article about tortie toms, including the one MaineMom mentioned above.

http://tortietom.nidoba.nl/tortiete.html

The article has several pictures, and describes how these genetic anomalies occur.  It explains the chimera concept that OF referred to.
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« Reply #33 on: July 22, 2008, 05:37:35 PM »

In answer to some questions:  Floid's two "kids" that I saw did not exibit his intense red, but did have red in their coats with some tabby pattern.   If I can find my old issues of Maine Coon International there is a pic of him with two kittens he sired.   I believe they were Bryrhaven cats, but this was back in the late 90's.   My very first kitten in the early 60's was a short hair male marmalade mackrel tabby, but his long haired sister, adopted by our next door neighbors, was the same deep red and white.  I've never seen a female with her color since.  My current Maine man, is what was called a "pinto" in the early 1900s.  He is mostly pure white with an orange van cap and large patches of orange - no tabby marking at all.  The intensity of the red varies with his seasonal coats.  He is probably one of the last of his kind since his mom was retired soon after he was born - she was an older queen and he came from a litter of only two.  In over 20 years of breeding old blood lines, my breeder, Casa de Shea in Lincoln, CA, had never had a kitten like him and I have never seen one shown.  I'll see if I can find some pics to put up.   
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« Reply #34 on: July 22, 2008, 06:11:31 PM »

Another interesting tortie fact:  Torties don't just have variegated fur, they have variegated skin, too!  Don't know if this is true of all, but it is true of Isis.  When she was spayed and her belly was shaved, you could see that her skin was both black and a sort of pinky-orange, corresponding to the colors of the hair that was over the areas.  Isis is a very black tortie, and her lips and gums are mostly black too.  But there are a few small spots of the lighter pink color.  You can also see some of the skin color variation on the insides of her ears too, which shows just a little in this photo.


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« Reply #35 on: July 22, 2008, 11:48:44 PM »

Interesting article, Catbird; it's also interesting about the variation in colors found on Isis' skin. Pretty Girl is a mackerel tabby everywhere except for two ivory white toes on one hind foot, and on this foot she has one pink toe pad among the dark gray ones - all her other feet have dark gray pads.
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« Reply #36 on: July 29, 2008, 10:06:16 PM »

     I was researching a topic and came across the following which gave me a little chuckle when I read it (note #3 - those with torties will understand  Grin  ).  This was at the beginning of an otherwise very serious list of suggestions for vets when making a diagnosis. 

                      "There is as much "art" as science in the practice of veterinary medicine generally, and in feline practice in particular. The following are some useful (I hope) thoughts gleaned from practical veterinary practice related to the feline species.

General:
 1.   Less (restraint) is more when handling cats.
 2.     If you develop a rapport with cat owners and with cats, you will rapidly develop a very loyal and enthusiastic clientele.... however, the reverse is also true.
 3.    Tortie and calico cats have a "devil" gene.
 4.    Many solid black cats have Siamese heritage. Kink at the end of the tail is a Siamese trait."
 
 

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« Reply #37 on: July 30, 2008, 03:49:51 AM »

  Grin Cheesy Smiley Wink Tongue
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« Reply #38 on: July 30, 2008, 06:07:42 AM »

  3.    Tortie and calico cats have a "devil" gene.
 

Yes they do!!!   Grin

It manifests itself in different ways, depending upon the individual, but my 3 torties definitely possess it!  Much more so than any of the other cats I've had.  They are the pure essence of cat devilment.
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« Reply #39 on: July 30, 2008, 06:09:02 AM »

Sassy sez OH YEAH ~ THAT'S ME !!!
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« Reply #40 on: July 30, 2008, 06:33:40 AM »

Well, piddle. Does this mean that when MissKitty knocks something off and stares at me she's telling the truth - the devil made her do it?  I guess I get to call her EvilWoman now without feeling bad.
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