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« Reply #150 on: May 30, 2008, 06:35:07 PM »

This IS all very interesting.  Thanks everybody.

Wow on the Evo dry treat, Tbobina.  We're totally off the Evo dry now.

As soon as I re-introduced Katz N Flocken as their dry (they're still served grain-free wet, but they'll only eat about a tbsp at a time), Chami's appetite has grown and she's had really good poos and lots of energy...though this morning Cham's poo was on the small pieces size, instead of the nicely shaped ones she had yesterday and the day before, I'm not sure why.

Mooch has been pooing regularly (daily) since the day before, but today he almost wouldn't eat any of his Wellness chicken wet food (which has the pumpkin in it). 

I split half a 3 oz can between the two of them, and I'd say half the wet is left.   Sad   I gave each of them 1 tbsp of dry and that's gone (neither of them finished even the dry at first).


Kittylyda, we actually never had poo problems until we went of the kibble and/or went grain-free (including grain-free kibble -- well, Evo dry).  But I'll continue to do the pumpkin for just a few more days.  (As I write that, Mooch is taking a dump  Cheesy  -- ooh, and it's a nice consistency, yay!  Though a little stinky, darn kibble.)

Lesliek, so you give your guys pumpkin and oatmeal at every meal.  Interesting.  Is the homemade recipe you make somewhere posted where I could see it and copy it for possible later use?

Man, I just wish these guys would eat more of their wet...but at least we're back on the road to regularity.
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« Reply #151 on: May 30, 2008, 08:44:19 PM »

August- Its basically one of Pitcairns recipes,except that I have made changes to it. I don't use anywhere near as much grain as he calls for & I don't use as much of the healthy powder,or even use the hp every batch. I am making about 12 days worth at a time & adding the 1/2 cup oatmeal & 1/4 lg can pumpkin to that. So it is spread out over about 24 meals.  I do add steamed pureed veggies also & the vit E & taurine & other supplements after it cools.The fish oil they get once a day on top of the food & milk thistle[don't know if they really need that,but it made such a difference for the dogs after the pf problems that I use it].If you don't have his book,or Strombecks I can send you some recipes from both when you are ready to try them. I would get things settled down with the other problems you've had first though.Too many changes at once will only make the problems worse.
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« Reply #152 on: May 30, 2008, 09:20:50 PM »

Lesliek,

Thank you for your kind offer to give me a recipe or two once things are at that point for us.


I just fed lunch and Cham ate a ton including wet (all of the 1 tbsp grain dry + probably about 2 tbsp of wet with pumpkin)!  I wonder if she likes the taste of pumpkin in it that's given her such a big appetite these last few days (although I know she does eat more wet when she has a yummy dry with it)?

Mooch on the other hand is really boycotting the wet.  I wonder if he's leery of it after having thrown some up on Monday.  He used to make the rounds to the other bowls searching for leftover dry, but these last couple days, he hasn't even been finishing his 1 tbsp of dry (though he did do a nice poop three days in a row after his bout of constipation).

He was asking me today for his freeze-dried chicken liver.  I decided I'd verrrry lightly dust his wet with it, and as soon as I did, he ate some of it (I'd like him to get in the wet because the pumpkin is in it).


Anyway, I don't know if it's the pumpkin, or the reintroducing a dry with grains, or stopping the Evo dry, but everyone seems to be back on a good pooing schedule.  I'll continue with this for the next few weeks before even thinking to transition anywhere.

Thank you!
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« Reply #153 on: May 31, 2008, 02:37:07 PM »

A lot of cats really do like the taste of pumpkin.  I've had a couple who would immediately be on the scene and snarfing down the stuff from inside the pumpkin when we carved them for Halloween.

Glad to hear the kitties are doing well again.  Some cats do develop aversions to certain foods after getting sick on them (just like people.)
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« Reply #154 on: May 31, 2008, 05:43:31 PM »

A lot of cats really do like the taste of pumpkin.  I've had a couple who would immediately be on the scene and snarfing down the stuff from inside the pumpkin

LOL!

I just served breakfast and Chami didn't eat as much as she'd been eating in the last couple days...and then I realized that I'd forgotten to put in the pumpkin!

And Mooch, who had been boycotting the wet, had some (not much, but more willingly than when there was pumpkin in it).

I'll add the pumpkin to their lunch and see what they think.


And since we're Talkin' Stool, to keep with the thread theme, Chami did #2x2 yesterday which is very rare for her, and they were both very lovely.
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« Reply #155 on: May 31, 2008, 05:50:23 PM »


And since we're Talkin' Stool, to keep with the thread theme, Chami did #2x2 yesterday which is very rare for her, and they were both very lovely.

ha ha ha ha... only a devoted meowmie will call perfect poop "lovely."   Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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« Reply #156 on: May 31, 2008, 06:38:44 PM »

JanC-my mom has some coraphagic dogs. She introduced a new bloodline into her kennel and I swear 80% of those dogs and their progeny are poop-eaters! What's up with THAT?

Besides that it is a disgusting habit, it makes their teeth much more vulnerable to plaque. That or some other bloodline quirk--not sure if it's directly related to the poop buffet or the bloodline in some other way. But man, is it a total turn-off to otherwise beautiful and loving puppies. ( I call all dogs puppies.) Just a big EEEWWW when they want to kiss you.  Roll Eyes 

I would have major issues with a doggie who did this on a regular basis. The only poop issue I have with Jessie is that she loves nothing more in this world than to roll in fresh bird poop.  Still EEEEWWWW, but nothing a bath or a baby wipe can't fix.  Lips sealed
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« Reply #157 on: June 02, 2008, 04:03:36 PM »

JG:

I don't think they have any idea why dogs do that gross thing.  I know in the wild that it's a natural thing (especially mothers picking up after their babies to protect them from predators) but vets have varying views.

I personally think Hannah got started on it because she was left in the backyard with little or no human interaction (with another dog but that's not the same thing).....one vet said it's boredom......another said stress or anxiety.......yet some others say they are missing nutrients & recycling it once more for the nutrients (trying to be delicate here).  My other Lab was into it but she was always scarfing up piles left from wild animals which is much worse.  So I had to watch her every minute until I was sure she was no longer "munching".

I think it's pretty common but it's something that most people don't bring up in a normal conversation......ha ha...... Shocked
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« Reply #158 on: June 09, 2008, 11:59:18 AM »

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I think it's pretty common but it's something that most people don't bring up in a normal conversation......ha ha...... Shocked

No, they don't! LOL I was at a friend's house once and their two rat terriers were scooting to beat the band. So I tried to explain to them what was going on, and the second the words 'anal glands'  escaped my mouth, I knew I was never going to be asked back.  Grin

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« Reply #159 on: June 09, 2008, 12:56:36 PM »

 Smiley Smiley Smiley Wink Wink Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Cool Cool Cool Shocked Roll Eyes
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« Reply #160 on: July 01, 2008, 07:51:06 AM »

How on earth does a girl go into the litter box and come out with poop stuck on her BACK?!   Shocked Huh

I do not know how the girl did it, but I saw Chami go into the litter box (no hood).  She hates to put her feet in the litter, so she always props her body up at the corner with her little leggies on the top of the sides of the box and squats down to do her thing.

(We've always used the same litter and the same ScoopFree automatic litter box since day one, but a month ago when she was propping her body up as usual, she inadvertently stepped on the ON button -- what numbskull designed the box to have the button where they can step on it?!  --  and since there was nobody in the box for the sensors to pick up on, the rake came out and scared the bjeezus out of her   Tongue  ..... and then the Monster Box was born.  That week, when she'd have to go, she'd sit in front of the box and meow for a few minutes before going in, poor girl...and then one time I woke to find there was a little poo accident just outside the box......so I've got the box turned off now and she's using it as usual.)

Anyway, as I was saying, the girl gets in to do her thing, has a nice, regular poo, and zooms out, also as usual.  But then she keeps zooming around enough to make the other 3 hyper and curious (and me, curious, too).....I finally catch up to where she is, and find she's got poo stuck on her BACK!?

Weird!
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« Reply #161 on: July 01, 2008, 08:08:03 AM »

Hey August,
Just an idea, but if little Chami was traumatized by the auto-litter box going on, maybe you could get a regular box for her convenience.  Sometimes if they are afraid of the box for whatever reason, I've seen them stop using the box altogether and start peeing/pooping around the house.  No one wants that!  Wink

My elderly constipated kitty often emerges w/poop on her in various and odd places if that is any consolation!
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« Reply #162 on: July 01, 2008, 09:01:27 AM »

I've had those "perching" kitties emerge with poop in odd places, too--it happens.  Cheesy   I've noted this is more likely to happen if they are constipated, and usually it does freak them out and they zoom around because they want it "off, right now!"

If she hates to put her feet in the litter, would it be possible to try another brand?  Sometimes they don't like the feel or smell of one kind for whatever reason, but will put their feet in another kind.

Cats are just weird.
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« Reply #163 on: July 01, 2008, 03:05:08 PM »

August:  You need a PLAN for Chami.  Sounds like she was really spooked by the auto-cleaner and that always spells some kind of psychological "halt" every time Chami needs to "go."  She may also be holding her poopies in too long in order to avoid the "monster" in the box --- hence, constipation.  My suggestion (and mine only - you're free to trash it, mate - I don't know everything, K?):

1.  Replace that automatic litter box with something that looks very very very different and situate it exactly in the same place, but a slightly different configuration.  If the original box was high side, get a low side.  If it was white, get a colored one.  If that automatic box needs to be in that spot, then put the new very different box in another place, making sure Chami knows that it is there and what it is for.

2.  Put an entirely different litter filler type in that new box so that Chami does not associate that box and litter with the automated one. 

3.  Everytime Chami poops in the new box - reward her right away with food.  Actually a lot of cats like to eat immediately after pooping --- ask Alek0 - her cats are like that and mine too.

4.  It is a good habit to wipe your kitties' butts after they do No 2... this prevents impacted anal glads - beleive me, you don't want that happening!  I use ordinary baby wipes.

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« Reply #164 on: July 01, 2008, 04:40:58 PM »

Oh woah, I didn't expect those responses.

She's not constipated and she's using the box as normal, and having daily, good poops.......although when she first came to me (ten months ago), she did have some history of being a bit too soft or a bit too hard (I figured it had to do with her being the skittish one of the group), but that almost never happens now, and yesterday's poop was a good consistency (and now that the box is off and not making the rake noise after someone goes, she hasn't been hesitating to go in...so in essence, it is just a normal box right now).

You still think that I should look into a new box and litter?


*The reason I got the automatic one is because I often have weekend business trips.

*Only Yoyo covers his business of the 4, but I figured it had to do with with their being the litter of 2 ferals....
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