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Author Topic: Sophs is having a new middle name added, its called "Diarrhea".  (Read 9163 times)
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« Reply #30 on: January 17, 2012, 11:43:51 AM »

Well, my girl has chronic low grade pancreatitis with very similar symptoms to your Sophs.  There is no rhyme or reason to her stool consistency (except that some foods are guaranteed to set her off - others are hit or miss).  All of my girl's blood work is completely normal...the only thing that gave away the pancreatitis was her PLI.

We haven't done an ultrasound on Lucy yet, so I don't know about the appearance of her pancreas.  With her hyperesthesia, she would have to be completely sedated for even the shave down of her belly or she'd lose her mind from the stimulus.  And even then my vet is unsure how she'd do with the sensation of fur growing back later on...so it's a "last resort" test for us despite the fact that it's so non-invasive.

Homeopathy has helped my girl's hyperesthesia greatly (she has much fewer "episodes" than she used to and the ones she has are less severe), but so far it has not resolved her pancreatitis.  We are going to have to try another approach, I'm afraid.

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« Reply #31 on: January 17, 2012, 11:47:55 AM »

mikken, what does your girl do when she is having the hyperesthesia episodes?  How old was your girl when she was diagnosed?  I do think that should be included in the next set of labwork we have run for Sophs.  Although if we can wait, I would prefer to, as she was just in to the vets in October and I am trying to limit the stress associated with those visits...as well as the anesthesia because she also wont let them do a thing without it. 
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« Reply #32 on: January 17, 2012, 02:03:42 PM »

I got my girl from the local animal shelter - no history except that her people were moving and couldn't take them with her.  She did have humane society tattoos - one in an ear, one on her belly to indicate that she was spayed.  So she was already an adult of unknown age when I got her.

The hyperesthesia episodes were fairly dramatic - she would start to growl at her tail and her whole back end would get twitchy...the tail would get puffy and she would hiss and swat at it.  Then she would run like she was on fire, trying to escape her tail.  She would hide under things, and in the first year, she avoided bright sunlight (as it seemed to set her off, but really any strong enough stimulus would).  You could not touch her without her tail going bottle-brushy and if you stroked her near her hind end, she'd get twitchy and swat at you and run off.

These days, she's much better.  I remember the first time I saw her lying in a patch of bright sunlight, belly up ... I nearly cried.  My girl could finally enjoy sunshine like a real cat!  Her episodes now are mostly twitchy/running, but less panicky/hidey than they were.  They also don't last as long as they used to.  She rarely attacks her own tail any more, too.  She does still sleep more than the normal cat, but less than she did in the early days.

Lucy now can be brushed!  You have to get her when she's in the mood, and you definitely have to watch for when she's reached her stimulation limit (big, poofy tail, starting to twitch) and you're better off sticking to her head/shoulder area, but she enjoys it, finally.  And sometimes she even *asks* to be picked up and have her head/face touched!

The thing is, with her chronic pancreatitis, it's not just the diarrhea...it's what her gut feels like to her.  In a normal cat, it would definitely be uncomfortable/painful, but in a hyperesthesia cat whose nervous system is already turned up to "11", it's nearly unbearable.  She gets panicky/running/miserable when it hits. 

If you check out "feline hyperesthesia" on youtube, you'll see videos of people's cats having hyperesthesia episodes.  Fair warning - some can be quite upsetting.  It's suspected to be a form of seizure activity...
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« Reply #33 on: January 17, 2012, 03:17:05 PM »

mikken, how awful for your kitty.  I'm glad she's gotten better and will keep her in my prayers.

Bella gets some type of growly, snarly, don't touch me fit every now and then, and we suspect she might have pancreatitis.  She's been very difficult to pick up for a couple years, but this year, since her episode with the snow storm in October, she's been much better.  I can pick her up with out her screaming now, and she's much better about being petted.

Sandi, if Sophers wont let you pick her up or gets vocal when you do, it could be a symptom of tummy ache, which is typical of a pancreatitis cat (so I read).   I hope she doesn't have it, Sophers needs a break.
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« Reply #34 on: January 17, 2012, 04:32:02 PM »

Slightly OT--My cat Phantom, of mouse-eating fame, has never had pancreatitis, but does have hyperesthesia episodes if she eats food with corn in it.  If she's not fed anything with corn, she's fine.  Her episodes started small but got worse and worse, til I finally figured out that for her it was caused by an allergy.  (And after I learned that corn was a bad cat food ingredient anyway!)  She can't even have corn products--when I was giving my poor departed Cameo meds, Phantom went nuts and demanded one of the Pill Pockets, which have something made from corn in them.  Within 24 hours, she had a mild episode.  I'm so glad your kitty is having less of this, mikken, and I hope you will be able to find ways to make it decrease even more.  What you describe sounds precisely like what Phantom did; although her episodes were pretty brief and she did not hide, she did everything else that you mentioned, including running like that (which you described perfectly.)  Without corn, Phantom is a sweetest, most adorable cat; even vets like her and she's pretty easy to handle.  But she is one of those cats who lives life intensely, if you know what I mean.

Back on topic--Sandi, I really hope that you will eventually be able to resolve this for Sophers.  I know how much we all worry when something isn't right with one of our pets.  It would be so nice for both you and Sophers if this would go away!
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« Reply #35 on: January 18, 2012, 02:08:08 PM »

Sandi I do hope things are 'going' better for you and Sophs now..such a challenge when the poo is soft or just not right in some way...

Mikken, hoping your kitty is doing as well as can be too.
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« Reply #36 on: January 18, 2012, 07:36:12 PM »

Thank you, catwoods.  We ran more blood work today (vet and tech as careful as could be to try not to handle her anymore than absolutely necessary, but she was still a huge puff ball and needing a dark, quiet place when she was done) and should start getting some numbers back tomorrow.  From there, we'll form a new plan of action for our Lucy Bear.

I hope Sophs can get sorted out soon, too!

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« Reply #37 on: January 20, 2012, 08:33:20 PM »

Mikken, any results on the bloodwork yet?  Let us know, k?

The update on Sophs is she had 2 days where she didnt go at all, then yesterday she went and it was perfect.  Then today she went and it was mush.  I dont get it.  We didnt get a sample to take out because she had already covered it up by the time we realized she had gone.  So maybe tomorrow we will get lucky and get a sample, I will have to watch her like a hawk.  I dont know what is going on with her.   Undecided
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« Reply #38 on: January 20, 2012, 08:56:07 PM »

I hope that you are able to get to the bottom of poor Sophs issues.  It's so upsetting not knowing what is causing the problem. 
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« Reply #39 on: January 20, 2012, 09:09:18 PM »

Thanks Tesla, yeah, I am really really frustrated. 

How are your kitties doing?   Kiss
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« Reply #40 on: January 23, 2012, 01:56:20 PM »

Sandi I hope things have improved for you and Sophs. Having it drag on so long, really wearing.
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« Reply #41 on: January 23, 2012, 05:19:48 PM »

Thanks catwoods, she went last night it was good, went again today and it was mushy and very smelly.  We took in a sample and they found nothing.  They did say it smelled alot...well no duh.  The vet is supposed to call tonight, her normal vet is off duty.  I dont hold out alot of hope that anything will come of his call other than them wanting another appointment which we dont know if we will do or not.  She was just in in October, had lots of tests done, ultrasounds, etc, things just show the same.  I may ask for some Forti Flora to see if that helps any.  I dont know.   *shaking head*  I may try changing her dry food back to TOTW again as well.  Undecided   If she cooperated better, we probably would take her out but she freaks out and then they cant do anything without anesthesia and she just had anesthesia in October so Im trying to hold off her having to have it again so soon but we may have to do it.  Ugh.
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« Reply #42 on: January 23, 2012, 05:58:58 PM »

Poor Sophs! I hope the Forti Flora helps and her tummy calms down soon..
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« Reply #43 on: January 23, 2012, 07:42:53 PM »

OK well I just spoke to the vet.  He called me at 6:30! Anyhow he looked up the panel test we had sent to Idexx in April or May last year and he said the Idexx paperwork says if they test negative on 4 consecutive tests for coronavirus, they can say the cat isnt shedding it.  But we only had one test done and on top of that the sample was a normal sample.  So he wants us to bring in another diarrhea sample and he will send it to Idexx for the coronavirus test to see if she is shedding.  He said it may take the 4 tests to determine it but we are willing.  He said it could help with coming up with an answer, either that she isnt shedding or she is....what that means I dont really know.  After we get the next sample he does want to put her on Forti Flora for a week.  He said if its an imbalance in the gut or intestines, it should dramatically improve after a week or so. I wish I knew more about the shedding stuff related to coronavirus, do they shed all the time or intermittently or what but it sounds like this test could possible help give us more answers...maybe.  Its worth a shot as far as we are concerned and I feel a little better as I was worried they had sort of come to the end of what they could do. 
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« Reply #44 on: January 23, 2012, 09:58:00 PM »

Sandi, they won't shed all the time. I read a whole whack on this before adopting Mr. T. This is just the worst condition because they know so little about it. It's very mysterious. Here is where I get my information from:

http://www.dr-addie.com/

There's a lot of great information there for what is known. What isn't known can fill a library. If you have specific questions about what's written here, just let me know.
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