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Author Topic: Sophs is having a new middle name added, its called "Diarrhea".  (Read 8671 times)
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Sandi K
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« on: January 13, 2012, 10:19:41 AM »

Well she is at it again.  Diarrhea again.  Yesterday 3 times, today is more formed but still has runny.  Last time she had it was 10 days ago.  I called the vet office and her normal vet is out of town, figures.  But I talked with the vet who did her ultrasound.  He wants a sample brought out for testing if it continues through today.  Sometimes a set of new eyes, ears helps I guess though.  I told him out of all the tests done the only one consistently showing positive is the coronavirus test as well as her white cell count being below normal but everything I read says kitties with coronavirus should get better when they are kittens.  But this vet said that isnt the case with all cats.  He said some cats will have transient diarrhea problems for a very long time and maybe even the course of their lives from the coronavirus.  So that is new info for us and would splain alot of Sophs issues.  But we did also just recently open a new bag of her food so he said to be safe, to bring a sample out to rule out other issues if it continues. 
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« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2012, 11:07:07 AM »

Oh no!  But it is good that this vet explained about the coronavirus sometimes causing long-term intermittent problems.  Giardia can do that too; even after it's finally cured, the cat can have intermittent loose stool issues for years or even for a lifetime.
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« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2012, 11:08:10 AM »

Will keep fingers & paws crossed for her - but it's good that you got to talk with another vet & shows how different practitioners can sometimes explain, or suggest, what another hasn't - and often when he/she has come new to the situation.  Probably happens in human medicine too.
Anyhow, will send positive thoughts to the wild child.
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« Reply #3 on: January 13, 2012, 11:17:19 AM »

Giardia can do that too; even after it's finally cured, the cat can have intermittent loose stool issues for years or even for a lifetime.

catbird, I didnt know that, thanks for the information.  I suppose if giardia can do that, coccidia probably can too.  With her having a bad case of that as a kitten, as well as the continuing coronavirus, it stands to reason, this could be happening. 

Thanks JoMax.  We did like this vet, he did her ultrasound and other tests last go round and he was really good in taking time to explain things and he admits when he doesnt know things, which I like.  But he is new to us, so Im still withholding judgement.   Cheesy  No vet is good enough for my baby.  Ay yi yi   Grin
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« Reply #4 on: January 13, 2012, 11:41:56 AM »

Do you know if the vet will test the sample to see if Sophers is shedding the virus (FCoV), when she has the diarrhea?  I think there are different biotypes & serotypes too, but that's all I know (whether that's useful to the clinician?) 
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« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2012, 11:53:33 AM »

Sparty, we had it tested one time as a part of an overall panel thru Dr Christian Leutenegger at Idexx and it didnt show anything but they need numerous tests to get a good picture, due to shedding cycles, etc.  At that time her stools were normal and he wanted us to test again when her diarrhea was back but we never did.  He said they dont do strain typing either.  But thats about all I know too.   Undecided  Its something I can talk to the new vet about though...although I dont know if it would help anything coz there is no preventative for it.
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« Reply #6 on: January 13, 2012, 05:14:03 PM »

Oh, Sandi.  Jeez.  What can be said.  Big hugs to you and Sophs.  Will be sending good thoughts.
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« Reply #7 on: January 13, 2012, 05:14:31 PM »

There may be no treatment for it, but it would at least give you an answer reason wise. When you take the sample in ask about Tylosin, its making a huge difference for Trooper. I don't know about it for cats though & Sophers is young while Troop is old. Worth asking about anyway. I wouldn't have risked keeping any of them on an antibiotic steadily when they were young or healthy, but for Trooper now its worth it. If nothing else works for Soph, it might be worth it for her too.
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« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2012, 07:48:29 AM »

I agree Leslie, running that test again is something we will look into if this keeps up.  Sophs has been on so many meds....is Tylosin the bitter one?  We did try that but she foamed so badly from it, it made trying to give the next anti-biotic harder because she fought us more.  She has been really good at letting us give the other meds and Im afraid if she reacts that way, it would make it harder.  If this continues, we will probably end up with another round of Clavamox and I may have to ask them for a prescription to have on hand.  But with her creatinine being a little elevated Im trying to use the meds as a last resort.  Sometimes these episodes clear up on their own, sometimes they dont.  She did go only once yesterday, compared to 3 times the day before so maybe things are looking up and things will be better today. 
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« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2012, 02:01:39 PM »

Tylosin isn't as bad as Flagyl, but it does taste bad. Trooper is on a high dose because of his size, 400 mg capsules. I don't know if it comes in another form or not. Because he kept having having the recurring diarrhea ,with no results showing a reason he is on 1 capsule daily forever.  His initial 3 weeks were twice daily. Again , because of age I would only do that as a last resort. Its the antibiotic of choice for that type of dosage because it doesn't have many side effects or cause as many problems with their other systems as many other drugs. Worth asking about anyway. If your vet is interested in trying it, you should try a compounding pharmacy for an easier to use type of it though.
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« Reply #10 on: January 14, 2012, 02:09:56 PM »

Sandi, I am sorry that Sophs is going through this again.  My Molly has acute diarrhea and we have been to two vets with no relief.  She is currently taking Metronidazole and I think that this is the medication that you are thinking of that is so bitter and makes them foam.  Molly is very, very good at taking any medication and I didn't want to do anything to change this so I ordered some gel caps from Amazon.  I was told that Wal Mart may have some in stock but mine didn't.  She takes a quarter of a 250 mg Metronidazole and I have to cut that quarter in half to fit into a #3 gel cap.  It works perfectly with a little butter on the tip followed by a water chaser.  I read that #3 and #4 gel caps work the best on cats.  
 
It is a lot of caps but I have Amazon prime and it came in 2 days.  You may find a smaller quantity else where.  Or I would be more than happy to send some of mine.  I hope not to have to use all of these!!!!!


Here is a chart showing the sizes of the gel caps:

http://www.torpac.com/Reference/Torpac%20Size%20Chart.pdf

Good Luck and I hope both our kitties can find some relief.



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« Reply #11 on: January 14, 2012, 06:42:07 PM »

I am sorry she is going through it again.

I forgot, how old is she? My Sophie had issues with soft poo when she was younger, but as she got older and since we stopped feeding regular dry food (I feed Ziwipeak and since we got Max Stella&chewy;s freeze-dried nuggets) with time she had less and less problems and she is now consistently having textbook poo.

Have you tried keeping a diary to try to spot patterns (this was really helpful for us with Sophie)?

And for gelcaps, they might help for bitter medicines.
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« Reply #12 on: January 14, 2012, 10:22:40 PM »

Alek, Sophs is 4 and will be 5 in April, I cant believe it myself....where does the time go.  She has had this problem since we got her at 12 weeks old.  Transient diarrhea, unexplained fevers, etc. She goes into it and then most of the time comes out of it on her own.  She can go for months and be fine then it starts clear out of the blue, episodes every few weeks.  Sometimes she needs anti-biotics but not always.  Thankfully she hasnt gone poo at all today so Im hoping this means she is getting through it on her own this time. Fingers crossed once again.  And yes, I started keeping a diary finally, it will be interesting to see if it shows anything.  I figured even if it didnt, I have something to show the vet on her next check-up.
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« Reply #13 on: January 15, 2012, 07:35:15 PM »

Yay!  A perfect poo tonight!   Cheesy  Not so yay....a cat jumping on my back while I was on the computer and needing a time out.   Tongue   One problem improves, another appears....Ms. Sophers aka Juvenile Delinquent.
  Off to get my ankle bit now.  Kiss
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« Reply #14 on: January 15, 2012, 07:36:54 PM »

Well, you know she's feeling better! Grin  Although I'm sure your back isn't!
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