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« on: April 14, 2010, 06:42:42 PM »

Does anyone have experience with this:
http://www.lebalab.com/

Stefie's gums are mostly OK with Veterinarian's best dental swabs, but tartar is building up. I was thinking of trying Petzlife, but I didn't like how it felt when I tested it on myself and also I wasn't entirely comfortable with grapefruit seed extract, grape seed extract as ingredients. So I am thinking of trying this one, sprayed on a WQ tip and applied directly over the tartar area on the tooth. What do you think?
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« Reply #1 on: April 14, 2010, 06:51:08 PM »

It looks like babysweet has used it in this thread:

http://itchmoforums.com/write-a-pet-product-review/petzlife-plaque-and-tartar-remover-gel-or-spray-for-cats-and-dogs-t748.0.html;msg132628#msg132628
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« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2010, 07:03:23 PM »

I come from the dental profession alek and in my opinion and experience, there is nothing but a good sharp curette to remove the buildup of tartar from the teeth and below the gums.

Plaque is the soft sticky film that sits on the teeth.  When animals and humans sleep, no saliva is produced and that sticky film of plaque hardens into what is called tartar.  With my cats, I can often take my thumb nail and chip off the pieces that I can see, but it is the tartar below the gums that causes jaw bone deterioration and the loosening of the teeth.

What bothers me the most about this product is the large quantity of ethyl alcohol.  I would not want to put this on a q-tip and hold it on the tartar/tooth/gum.  Gum tissue can be burned and injured by alcohol.

And as for changing the chemistry of the mouth, hard to do if you don't know whether the saliva is acidic or alkaline.
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« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2010, 06:11:44 AM »

Peg, I often try to scrape the tartar off with my nail as well, but sometimes you just can't catch an edge to do it. Is there an instrument that you'd recommend to scrape it off?
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« Reply #4 on: April 15, 2010, 05:01:34 PM »

bug, most of my instruments come from my office but this is quite good and I have used it before.
The only thing you do not want to do is use this below the gumline.

My recommendation would be to loosen the tartar with this and then continue with your nail.
If you are too heavy handed you can damage the enamel on the tooth.
There is no enamel on the root surface of a tooth and that area really needs professional attention, but if you can keep tartar from accumulating on the tooth itself, you can prevent it from wedging itself below the gumline.

A good honing stone will help keep it sharp.
Dull instruments can also damage tooth enamel.

http://www.revivalanimal.com/store/p/173-Tartar-Remover-Scraper.aspx
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« Reply #5 on: April 15, 2010, 05:07:37 PM »

Thanks, Peg. That looks perfect. I have to get Pip used to me doing a tooth at a time, so I wanted to start with something plastic that wouldn't cut her gums if she flinched -- just to get her used to the feeling of scraping. Are these instruments a proper grade of metal? I should just boil it before I use it?
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« Reply #6 on: April 15, 2010, 05:31:08 PM »

I have a scraper but I have never used it, my vet advised against and to just use the nail to scrape it off, he said that it is too easy for inexperienced person to do some damage with the scraper.
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« Reply #7 on: April 15, 2010, 07:19:49 PM »

Unless you have a very cooperative kitty, it seems dangerous to put a sharp instrument into the mouth.  One false move and who knows where that instrument will end up!   Tongue   Undecided   I think there is good reason why vets anesthetize before attempting to work on the teeth!   Wink 
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« Reply #8 on: April 15, 2010, 08:53:24 PM »

bug, most of my instruments come from my office but this is quite good and I have used it before.
The only thing you do not want to do is use this below the gumline.

My recommendation would be to loosen the tartar with this and then continue with your nail.
If you are too heavy handed you can damage the enamel on the tooth.
There is no enamel on the root surface of a tooth and that area really needs professional attention, but if you can keep tartar from accumulating on the tooth itself, you can prevent it from wedging itself below the gumline.

A good honing stone will help keep it sharp.
Dull instruments can also damage tooth enamel.

http://www.revivalanimal.com/store/p/173-Tartar-Remover-Scraper.aspx
This site has a lot of other items on it also. Odor control products, pet beds, supplements, etc.
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« Reply #9 on: April 15, 2010, 10:04:07 PM »

yes bug, boil before using it and after every use.

Surgical steel.....I boil for at least 10 minutes after use.

It really is something that you need to be very careful with.  Tartar accumulation can often mask a decayed tooth.  Scraping off the tartar of a decayed tooth can cause the tooth to break.  An accumulation of tartar on a tooth with a resorbed root holds the tooth steady.  Remove the tartar and the tooth will loosen dramatically, if not fall out entirely.

I have one kitty who will sit for a tooth scaling.......my Rikers.
I have 3 out of 7 cats who will let me loosen a corner of the tartar with an instrument.
Then I use my thumb nail.

I can see the enamel, I know how the root surface looks and its coarse texture.........BUT.......I take them for professional veterinary dental scalings when necessary.  My vet uses a small amount of anesthetic, unless extractions are necessary and she also gives fluids while the kits are under anesthetic, so they are just fine after their cleanings.

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« Reply #10 on: April 16, 2010, 07:43:30 AM »

Thanks, Peg -- and everyone else. Pip has been in congestive heart failure in the past and I worry about her under anaesthetic. I would way rather try to get things cleaned up best as possible at home. She also has chronic gingivitis which may actually be due to an allergy. Even her clean teeth have red gums. My vet hinted she might have plasmacytic gingivitis, but if she does, it isn't nearly as bad as one of my mom's who had to have all her teeth removed at a very young age. I know she does have a couple of resorption lesions. Oh, I guess I'll have her take a look at them again when I bring her in for her checkup in May. Last time, she didn't insist on a dental for her -- mostly because of her heart and lungs.
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« Reply #11 on: April 16, 2010, 09:38:08 AM »

Some of you guys have cats which will let you scrape their teeth?HuhShocked Shocked

Can never get anywhere near mine - even to examine is almost impossible...
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« Reply #12 on: April 16, 2010, 09:48:36 AM »

Well, JoMax. It's a struggle and sometimes I have to get dh to hold them, but I can get in there. I might not be a very big person, but they're still smaller than me  Wink.
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« Reply #13 on: April 16, 2010, 02:59:36 PM »

We've used the LebaIII, Pets4Life spray and gel, and Tropiclean's Gel as well.

Tropiclean is too new to comment on, but the other two products work.  Well.

LebaIII is mainly used for pets desperately requiring a cleaning but unable to physically withstand professional cleaning.  Yes, the ingredients leave a bit to be desired, but it is a small amount being used for a relatively short period of time, and certainly safer than GA.

Pets4Life works not quite as well, although it is more natural.  My dogs prefer the taste (one of them actually considers it a treat) and even though I don't use it with any regularity, my five year old who has naturally horrible teeth is kept in check and my two year old has beautiful teeth through prevention.

With any of these products, proper use in the beginning is important.  Once the problem is more under control, you can tailor the application times to suit your situation.

Also, brushing lightly once or twice a week (no need to use a cleaning product unless your pet enjoys them) will help to break free the buildup that these products loosen.  It's not a necessity, but it certainly speeds things up.  Picking the buildup off with a fingernail is also very easy once these products have been applied successfully.
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« Reply #14 on: June 10, 2010, 02:28:19 PM »

Some of you guys have cats which will let you scrape their teeth?HuhShocked Shocked

Can never get anywhere near mine - even to examine is almost impossible...

Ha!  I was reading this thread with that same thought and wondering what kinda cats you guys have? 

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