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Author Topic: 1521 (toxic) Food Additives in human & possibly in Pet Foods  (Read 6836 times)
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« on: October 06, 2007, 09:53:57 PM »

What are we consuming in our food besides the food itself? This is an extensive list of 1521 (toxic) food additives that are in food. For those that home cook also for your pets will find this helpful.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_food_additives%2C_Codex_Alimentarius
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« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2007, 09:14:06 AM »

Great link. thank you, JJ
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« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2007, 06:05:23 PM »

JJ -
     That link lists additives that are approved for foods in Europe and New Zealand and Australia as I read it.  I see nothing that says these additives are toxic.  I am sure that most of these are also approved for use in the U.S.  However, many are harmless substances that are necessary to preserve foods so that the majority of people in our country, and the world, will have enough food to eat.  Meat spoils, produce rots, grains get moldy.  Without the ability to preserve the vast majority of our food supply, the waste would be horrendous and many people would starve.  It is simply unrealistic to think that everyone in this world is able to obtain fresh food every day to survive.  Food additives allow us to safely process most of the food grown, prevents waste, and saves lives.  Additives that are proven unsafe are eventually banned.  Is there a 100% guarantee that all on that list are safe?  Of course not.  However, we are better off having a way of assuring that there is enough food to feed the masses than not.  It is interesting to see all the additives that are used, but it is misleading to call them all toxic. 
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« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2007, 07:04:17 PM »

I don't think they are all toxic. However since we seem to be a third world country on food additive safety,it is helpful to know what other countries don't think is a safe additive.I miss the days where we could rely on the FDA,USDA etc for regulation. Personally I don't enjoy checkingonline before shopping & having it take 3 x longer. Not to mention cost.Or time in preparing fresh food. As others have said here beforwe, I wish I didn't know now what I didn't know then.
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« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2007, 08:17:30 PM »

Mandycat the word 'toxic' is in parenthesis if you looked at the title of this topic which means it did not apply to all the additives, sheesh. Just because other countries made this  list  does not mean these additives are not in our food and beverages. Pick up a box, can, bag and look for yourself. I posted this as a helpful tool since we are all concerned about what we feed our pets and we should be just as concerned what we put  into our bodies. But each person is free to put as many preservatives, additives etc. in their bodies as they want to.

On the grains do a search on here and read about what kinds of pesticides, etc. they spray (malathion is one) on the grain that sits in the silos for up to a year that is sprayed 3 times a year with this deadly, carcinogen to prevent supposed mold from growing on it. Then see if you feel the same about eating it or feeding any pet food with grains in it to your pets with all these chemicals sprayed on it. Do a little more reading before jumping and running with your ideas on a subject that was only put on here to help everyone - not make it seem that all is toxic as you seem to state.
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« Reply #5 on: October 07, 2007, 08:47:20 PM »

rcexplorer your welcome. Hopefully we eventually eliminate some of these additives  on a daily basis. The list covers so many additives who would think there are that many?
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« Reply #6 on: October 07, 2007, 10:32:24 PM »

JJ -
     Your use of the word toxic, whether in parenthesis or not, did indeed indicate to me that you were inferring that these additives were toxic. I still don't see how I could have read it any other way. I also very clearly indicated that these additives were probably found in our food here in the U.S. as well. However, my point was that many are necessary for preserving our food supply and that everyone is not able to buy everything fresh, so it is a necessary evil.  I was trying to present another side of the issue, not to challenge you in any way except to point out that not all additives are harmful and that many make it possible for more food to be available for consumption rather than be wasted, which could be an economic issue as well.  Presenting this point of view does not mean that I personally choose to ignore information relating to what might be harmful to eat myself.  I'm sorry that you felt you had to be defensive.  I did not mean to offend.   
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« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2007, 11:18:09 AM »

JJ:  This is why I have searched for so long to find a pf with NO grains & not a lot of "fluff".  We all know more than we wanted to know when it comes to our pets' food but, thanks to the recall, we all had to become chemists/scientists/researchers.  Very sad state of affairs in ALL food today, not just what we feed our pets.

I could stand to lose some weight.....sometimes I think the only way to stop ingesting chemicals/toxins/poisons is to stop eating......however, I don't feel that way about my sweet little Hannah....... Tongue

I should start hitting some of the Farmers Markets around here & at least get some fairly fresh food. Smiley

Never thought I'd see the day I (& others) would refer to my country as a third-world country but it has become just that. Cry
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« Reply #8 on: October 08, 2007, 02:07:29 PM »

Mandycat You state" Additives that are proven unsafe are eventually  banned."  Perhaps if our government was doing its job of protecting the people, additives would have to be proven safe before being used, instead of after they have killed people and pets, caused cancer , etc.
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« Reply #9 on: October 08, 2007, 08:33:46 PM »

Not meaning to be on the defensive but you state that these are needed to "PRESERVE" the foods then these are preservatives which is an additive that was not in food years ago. How did our parents, grandparents, great grandparents survive when their food did not contain the preservatives and additives that they seem to add more and  more to the food eveytime you read the labels on the foods - unless most just pick the stuff up and not pay any attention to what you could be eating inside the foods. They survived and managed to eat fresh food. They went shopping every couple of days for fresh food and canned the foods for the winter that would not be around. Too many are lazy and go for anything in a pkg that they can nuke and eat. That is not food that anyones body can exist on without some ill effect down the road with all the preservatives that are in all of it. Sez who that we need all this to keep the food longer on the shelf? Sorry the organic produce, etc needs to be eaten within a certain amount of days - not keep in the frig for a month or  more like the heavily sprayed produce that is in majority of the stores. Just using this as an example of the additives that are on it to make it last longer - in other words pesticides, herbacides that are added to the soil, sprayed on the plants - now Mandycat are those additives considered safe and are they needed? If so how come organic farmers can grow delicious, healthy produce without these additives? Not being defensive just carrying on a discourse with you.
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« Reply #10 on: October 08, 2007, 10:37:10 PM »

JJ -
     I don't consider pesticides and herbicides "additives" and I don't believe they appear on the list you linked to.  I was not referring to them when I said that additives are necessary to preserve foods.  I was referring to the additives that are used in canning and making prepackaged foods to give them a longer shelf life so that they are available to more people. Unfortunately, I don't think we can compare life today with that of our grandparents and great-grandparents.  Many people live in urban areas rather than rural areas and do not have ready access to buying fresh food frequently, nor do they have the time.  Preservatives and additives of some type have been around for a very long time.  I am not exactly young (63), but I know that my mother purchased canned foods, packaged baked goods, along with whatever fresh food she bought in the grocery store.  Perhaps I am just very fortunate, but I have no chronic health problems, take no prescription medications, and my insurance company must love me since, despite all the tens of thousands of dollars I have paid in premiums over the years, a mere pittance has been paid out on my behalf. Cheesy  The truth is, despite the hazards we face in our food supply, life expectancy is the longest it has ever been.  I have a lot of respect for you and anyone else who chooses to be informed and careful about the food you eat.  However, being realistic, not everyone is so inclined, and, you are right, many people want and need the convenience of quick food preparation.  For those people, at least the use of additives in prepared and canned food generally insures that the food is safe.  There are, of course, no 100% guarantees in life.  I use both fresh and prepared foods and I try to be aware of anything that is particularly harmful.  However, I say to each his own as far as their choices of what to eat.  I truly hope that your choice of lifestyle will reward you with a long and happy life.  Smiley       
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« Reply #11 on: October 09, 2007, 08:24:51 AM »

Don't mean to jump in to the middle of an argument that has merit on both sides,
but how about just using this posted tool on food additives, noxious or not, to guide
your food purchases? If three separate groups, U.S., European Union, and Australia
have rendered an opinion on the additive, maybe the best use of the link is as a consumer
purchasing guide. I took it that way when I first saw it, and hope it helps others, as
well.
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« Reply #12 on: October 09, 2007, 09:27:18 AM »

JJ, I find this to be a very valuable link with information that I will utilize for myself.  I feel very lucky because I am not that internet savvy, so folks like you, who choose to share their finds, certainly help someone like me.  I printed the list and looked up the ones I was not familiar with.

Thank you for taking your time and sharing some valuable information.

Peg and Gizmo and 5 other cats
Rikers, Gadget, Rufus, Edgar Winter and Frosty.......
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« Reply #13 on: October 09, 2007, 01:39:00 PM »

3cats -
     I agree that the list is a good consumer guide and the information can be very helpful.  My original objection was just to the fact that it was misleading to add the word "toxic" since these additives are not categorized as such on the link, and foods are not necessarily bad just because they contain additives.  I apologize for getting the discussion off-track. 
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« Reply #14 on: October 09, 2007, 03:53:23 PM »

Jeepers, Mandy and JJ
With all the changes of opinion about safe foods, just seems like
these days three opinions are better than one; that's all. Just a good
starting point if you have a question. Today's additive is tomorrow's
toxin, and vice versa. And you both made good points about preservatives
and their uses. Discussion is always welcome. Thanks for your input and a
helpful link.
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