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« on: April 06, 2008, 08:18:30 AM » |
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Here's my stupid question(s) for the day.
Why can't I just make a BIG batch of whatever I'm preparing for DH and myself and feed that to the cats and dogs on a regular basis? I've been around 5 decades and I'm still kickin' after all.
Cassi (kitty) wants just about everything DH and I are eating, which I don't give her, but she wants everything.
I do love to cook, but I find all the measurements and analyses for pet food recipes daunting.
Of course, I'd leave out stuff like onions and other items which dogs and cats aren't supposed to have. I use "natural" and organic as much as possible. Maybe add taurine to the cats' portions and give the cats more meat/poultry/seafood/ground eggshells and/or supplements.
So, why can't I just give the cats and dogs a bigger portion of meat/poultry/seafood? Why is this so complicated. I'm not going to feed raw. Way too expensive for me, not to mention the gross out factor, and sanitation factor. They may get an occasional commercial raw and canned. Just thinking out loud, trying to simplify this.
I want to research daily requirements of people food as opposed to cat and dog requirements, but don't know where to start.
Right now, we're spending $200-$250 every 2 weeks to feed 12 fur kids. I could buy a lot of "people" food with that.
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« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2008, 08:44:32 AM » |
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Not a stupid question JustMe but I suppose it would depend on what it is you are cooking. Dogs and cats have much different nutritional requirements than humans. No matter whether you feed raw or cooked, you are going to have to supplement with various products to meet their nutritional needs. Dogs I believe are a little less complicated than cats are when it comes to dietary requirements. Actually, feeding a raw diet costs about the same as feeding a quality canned food. If you scroll down the page of this link, you will find some fairly simple recipes for both cats and dogs along with recommended supplements. http://www.littlebigcat.com/index.php?action=library&act=show&item=014
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« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2008, 09:04:23 AM » |
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Justme- Sometimes I do that. If I am making meatloaf or meatballs I mix all the basic ingredients[minus onion & garlic] & split it in 1/2. Then I finish ours with the seasonings & add eggshell,vitamins,etc to theirs. Put in pans & cook all together in oven. I've done it with soup also,again do the basics & split into 2 stockpots. For soups & stews I always add extra meat & less noodles or potatoes to theirs. I'm doing dog & cat food right now. 1 thing I have found that really helps is prep everything the day you get it. The meats can be cut up & cooked & frozen in ziplocs by lb. Then you just need to defrost it & mix with the other ingredients. Even the veggies can be cut up & blanched or pureed raw & frozen. You do lose a little of the nutrients that way,but its a big time saver.Also when its all measured & ready,you can easily make both cat & dog at the same time. I'm doing batches of 24 lbs of meat at a time & that lasts for 2 weeks [approx]. Thats for 2 cats & 3 dogs.
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« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2008, 01:12:37 PM » |
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I see no reason that you can't feed the cats and dogs whatever you are eating.
That is what was done for thousands of years before the advent of commercial pet food. The idea was to make is cheaper and more convenient for the owner, not better.
If we had the time and money here we would do that, but trying to make enough for all the critters would take all day.
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« Reply #4 on: April 06, 2008, 03:39:27 PM » |
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JustMe, I homecook for my dog. She eats what we eat minus the seasonings or onion,etc. I do what lesliek does. If I'm making meatloaf or meatballs, I make extra for the dog (sometimes several helpings for her, freeze for later use). If I make a beef roast in the crockpot - I don't season so some can be given to her. Same for beef stew in the crockpot. If I make chicken, hers isn't seasoned. If I'm grilling food - she has hers unseasoned. I buy my meat in bulk to take advantage of sales. I also learned to talk to the butcher. If I take 10lb packages he will give me a price cut. Also if meat needs to go off the shelf because of pull date - I buy and cook it immeadiately and than freeze in portions. With vegtables, meat and some grain (oats,barley and brown rice - my dog needs carbs) the cost of her meals(she eats twice a day)/day is $0.92 - $1.34. She weighs 50 lbs and is modertely active. Another thing is to use fruits and vegtables that maybe overly ripe, ends of celery stalks, etc. I have to admit my cooking for one is a whole lot easier than you cooking for 12! Dog requirements are very similar to humans. I am not familiar with cats. To find info re:requirements there are several sites online. Mary Straus of Whole Dog Journal has a site Dogaware.com which is very informative, B-naturals has good info. in their archive and several Yahoo groups on cooking for pets. K9Kitchen,etc. Some of the lists are scewed torwards raw but many of the people on the lists home cook and some use commercial. What I've learned is I was starting to make this home cooking way to complicated - it doesn't need to be.
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« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2008, 03:51:37 PM » |
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 Oh JustMe... I can picture you tearing up your hair in frustration! Everyone's sugestions and observations above are really good! Lesleik and Katie have a method by which they cook for both humans and canines in their homes. And Db is absolutely right about what our pets were eating before the advent of commercial pet food! I agree that dogs may have a closer nutritional profile to us humans, but cats are different becuase they are truly strict carnivores. But as long as you take into consideration the basics of a carnivorous diet (lots of meat, some organs, some bones), I can't see you failing to achieve optimum health for your cats, especially if you supplement with a multi-vit-min to cover whatever may be deficient in our commercial meats.
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« Reply #6 on: April 06, 2008, 06:06:07 PM » |
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Gee, thanks for all the information everybody and the links. 
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Eventually they will understand, Replied the glorious cat For I will whisper into their hearts That I am always with them I just am....forever and ever and ever.
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« Reply #7 on: April 07, 2008, 05:47:25 PM » |
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Okay the thing is: cats are obligate carnivores and need to eat meat to survive. Some people say dogs have evolved and are now omnivores. Thus they can tolerate the carbs better -- carrots, rice etc. But cats cannot eat that stuff. Carbs are very bad for cats. Plus cooked stuff will also have spices and stuff in it that can give them diarrhea. An occasional piece of cooked meat is okay as a treat, but I feed raw myself. See: www.catnutrition.orgwww.rawdogranch.comIt does take a bit of organization and commitment to get a new routine down, but I've been doing this for 2 years now and it is really no hassle. My cats are getting the very best diet they can get and are thriving on it. The key for cats is: think: obligate carnivore (no carbs!) See my kitties' pics -- www.naturalcathealth.blogspot.com -- they are thriving, bloodwork is all normal and super healthy.
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« Reply #8 on: April 08, 2008, 09:35:50 AM » |
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Last night, we had Creekstone beef chuck roast cooked in oven. Everybody wanted some. Had to fight the dogs and cats off.
I have half the roast leftover. In this instance, I cooked it in a roasting bag with a mix, so I'm assuming the mix got infused into the meat, so didn't give the fur kids any.
I'd have to cook it without seasonings.
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Eventually they will understand, Replied the glorious cat For I will whisper into their hearts That I am always with them I just am....forever and ever and ever.
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« Reply #9 on: April 08, 2008, 12:24:51 PM » |
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I hope someone has answer to the seasonings, I grew up and still just use salt, pepper, parsley, rosemary, tyme , butter. I have always gone on the light side of seasoning. But my DH always has his container of seasoning salt handy to use, so when he gives RC some food from his plate it has concerned me. but RC hasnt had any problems. kathy
thats why I have taken skin off or where there may be a little seasoning on roast but I never thought of seasoning being infused into meat
salt is fine is small amount s ... he he four legs have to watch their sodium to... pepper depends on the animal some are VERY sensitive others like my RIP Joey and Kandie loved it Rosemary can cause tummy trouble so it Thyme I will ask the vet tomorrow BEN has acupuncture BUTTER is great as long as no dairy issues are present ( note RAW and unsalted is best
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« Reply #10 on: April 08, 2008, 12:57:31 PM » |
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I'd take it easy on the sodium, for people and for pets. You can start by leaving salt shakers off the table and adding less and less when you cook. Replace the salt with other spices. You won't even miss it after awhile. I haven't cooked with it in at least 20 years. Also not a good idea to give pets luncheon meats or cured ham or other sandwich meats and poultry. Way too much salt. Some of them are dunked in brine, as well.
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Eventually they will understand, Replied the glorious cat For I will whisper into their hearts That I am always with them I just am....forever and ever and ever.
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« Reply #11 on: April 08, 2008, 09:32:31 PM » |
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We don't use salt here either. Dogs do need some salt in their diet - limited amount though. We found out the hard way about over seasoning. DH was enjoying a slice of pepper jack cheese and decided to share with our dog. A day of pepto bismol and three days of a bland diet solved the problem. He thinks twice now about what he shares..... meanwhile I think she really enjoyed it! but really didn't agree with her....
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« Reply #12 on: April 08, 2008, 09:38:34 PM » |
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I'd take it easy on the sodium, for people and for pets. You can start by leaving salt shakers off the table and adding less and less when you cook. Replace the salt with other spices. You won't even miss it after awhile. I haven't cooked with it in at least 20 years. Also not a good idea to give pets luncheon meats or cured ham or other sandwich meats and poultry. Way too much salt. Some of them are dunked in brine, as well.
This is absolutely right! After a while, you and your family don't miss the salt at all.. I hardly ever use salt in my cooking now... my family season their own plates when they want to... usually my son-in-law would "pour" pepper on almost all his measl (blehhh).
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« Reply #13 on: August 20, 2009, 02:25:47 PM » |
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I really don't eat much meat, never have. Kinda tend to sit with the food in my plate for looong time and poke at it, eating slowly, leaving some of it. Well, last night I BBQ'd some burgers for DH, myself, and our dogs. So, I was doing my usual nibble on the burger and talking to DH, looked away to give some of the cats small morsels of burger. Callie (our 1-year-old tortie) jumped up on the table and grabbed a mouthful of beef right from the burger I was holding in mid air in my hand, proceed to run with it. She's also the one who will jump up and grab chicken right off the carcass. What is odd is that all 3 of our torties go wild for real food. Most of the others do, as well, but not like these 3 do. Even got one of the cats who will only eat commercial stuff to eat a morsel last night by coating it with Fancy Feast.  And that was actually good beef, Creekstone. Been in my freezer since April, 2008.
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Eventually they will understand, Replied the glorious cat For I will whisper into their hearts That I am always with them I just am....forever and ever and ever.
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« Reply #14 on: August 20, 2009, 05:16:16 PM » |
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Mine all prefer people food. The only 1 that is a big problem is Trooper,because his nose & mouth are at table height when he walks by. Oreo is the thief who hides on a chair under the table & jumps up the minute you turn your back.
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