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« Reply #60 on: April 20, 2008, 09:13:52 PM »

In researching supplements online today, I noticed Vit C, D & calcium in nano formulas.  This scares the willies out of me.  Nano particles can cross the blood brain barrier when many regular-sized chemicals are filtered out. 

Not only does this worry me in regard to the supplement entering tissues via routes it wouldn't normally take, but if the supplement is contaminated, will that mean greater toxicity & damage?  The supplements that I saw with nano particles were clearly marked as such, but who knows if that will be the case in the future.
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« Reply #61 on: April 20, 2008, 09:19:30 PM »

Petslave thanks and I am worried on that too..I read Cynthias post and that makes it even harder now...Its hard evn finding anything that REALLY is 100% USA made and sourced from the US..I do not take vitamins myself but as I home cook more and more for my dog I kinda wanted a vitamin etc to add in case I miss the ,mark but jeeze they say USA and you call or write and get OH WELL we get the Vitamin C , B and Taurine from China...but this or that ..I do not want anything for my dog from China and do not want any nano particles...If ANYONE has time and knows their stuff can you look at their products ...mostly the Miracle Green AND the one for pets and see what you think? Thanks ahead I need to get some cake  Grin
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« Reply #62 on: April 20, 2008, 09:42:59 PM »

I looked at that Vitamin C Foundation link that Eartha posted on page 4 back in Jan.  They do make that C in Europe, so I may order some of that.  One of those formulas is nano engineered, but clearly marked as such.  (wonder if they clean machines between batches!  cross contamination by nano particles!)

The First Organics line that cynthiak posted look good, but they have some added supplements in some of the formulas that may come from China.  Canada only requires 51% of the product to be Canada sourced to qualify for the Made in Canada label. 

The ingredient lists on the labels are somewhat misleading, maybe not intentionally, but it looks like there is only veggies & fruits in some that also have straight vitamins added too.  Still, it does look like good stuff with most of the goodies coming from organic produce.
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« Reply #63 on: April 20, 2008, 09:59:34 PM »

Thanks again Petslave....I apprecaite your info....I get so tired as we all do of worrying about what to give my dog and if he will get enough of this or that...and is the meat safe and on and on and on..Then we have the vitamins..I do not worry half as much about my food as I do for my dog. He can't make choices I do it for him and feel I have to get the best...I failed with my cats..thought I did the right things and foods and all but lost all 4 .....I would Just like to be SURE 100% USA ..ORGANIC and that is about as safe as I can get ...even then  Roll Eyes

What I did like about the Green Miracle is I saw the ladies on TV who own the company and they were saying its all US and when I look at the site its all things , plants and veggies, fruits and certified organic....some things seem odd like Aloe but ?  Anyhow I listen to them on TV talk about how they get the plants , veggies and minerals under guard so nobody can mess with the supply  and that nobody can eat the amount of veggies they have in a days supply in weeks ....I would give my dog the human Green Miracle but I dunno..I will reread the other links she provided on page 4 but yes cross contamination ...happens and  Sad its all frustrating
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« Reply #64 on: April 25, 2008, 08:35:19 AM »

The First Organics line that cynthiak posted look good, but they have some added supplements in some of the formulas that may come from China.  Canada only requires 51% of the product to be Canada sourced to qualify for the Made in Canada label. 

Petslave,

Where did you find that info on First Organics? Can you provide a link? Since I'm using this product, I'm very interested to know how you found out exactly where their ingredients are from. In the mean time, I will call the company to see what they say. By the way, First Organics does state that it's 100% organic on the label and certified by USDA Organic. Their ingredient list does not show added supplements of any kind, other than vegetables and fruits. What are the supplements you are talking about? Hope it's all sourced from Canada.

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« Reply #65 on: April 27, 2008, 02:27:34 PM »

The First Organics line that cynthiak posted look good, but they have some added supplements in some of the formulas that may come from China.  Canada only requires 51% of the product to be Canada sourced to qualify for the Made in Canada label. 

The ingredient lists on the labels are somewhat misleading, maybe not intentionally, but it looks like there is only veggies & fruits in some that also have straight vitamins added too.  Still, it does look like good stuff with most of the goodies coming from organic produce.

OK, This is what I found. The First Organics Vitamin C, the one I recommend is 100% certified organic with no additives.

The other products they carry are 95% and 70% organic and have other non-organic things added to it. I am still waiting to hear from the company to find out where the source their ingredients.

I use this and had positive results. Highly recommended!

First Organics 100% Organic Vitamin C Complex (60 caps)
First Organics Organic Vitamin C Complex provides vitamin C in its most natural state. Organic foods such as acerola, citrus and vegetables contained in this product contain vitamin C along with a variety of phytonutrients, including anthocyanins, sulforaphan, lutein, carotenoids and others which may promote optimal health.*
Ingredients: Organic acerola cherry, organic citrus, organic blueberries, organic kale, organic Brussels sprouts, organic broccoli sprouts, organic spinach, organic carrots, organic beets. In a vegetable capsule. No fillers, binders, or additives.

The phytonutrients, including anthocyanins, sulforaphan, lutein, carotenoids listed in the Vitamin C are what is naturally found in these fruits and vegetables.
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First Organics 95% Organic Vitamin E (60 caps)
Vitamin E is a powerful antioxidant that supports the immune, hormonal, cardiovascular and nervous systems. Natural vitamin E-rich foods contain at least eight different vitamin E components. These include alpha, beta, delta and gamma tocopherols and tocotrienols. First Organics Organic Vitamin E Complex contains this full spectrum of vitamin E components shown by scientific research to be as potent or more than alpha tocopherol alone.*
Ingredients: Organic peas, organic beets, organic spinach, organic kale, mixed tocopherols (from vegetable oil), mixed tocotrienols (palm fruit oil), selenium proteinate. In a vegetable capsule. No fillers, binders, or additives.

First Organics 95% Organic Immune Complex (90 caps)

In addition to the traditional antioxidants such as vitamins E and C, and beta carotene, First Organics Organic Immune Complex also contains many phytonutrients including anthocyanins, sulforaphan, lutein, carotenoids, and others, as well as tocopherols, tocotrienols, alpha lipoic acid and other nutrients that may help support the immune system.*
Ingredients: Organic acerola cherry, organic blueberries, organic broccoli sprouts, organic citrus, organic turmeric, organic ginger, organic kale, organic Brussels sprouts, organic spinach, organic tomatoes, organic carrots, mixed tocotrienols (palm fruit oil), mixed tocopherols (vegetable oil), alpha lipoic acid, L-cysteine, selenium proteinate, zinc chelate. In a vegetable capsule. No fillers, binders, or additives.

First Organics 70% Organic Daily Multiple (90 caps)

First Organics Daily Multiple, made with 70% organic ingredients, is for those who donĀ“t always eat healthy meals, and for those whose nutritional needs may be beyond what meals can provide. This supplement provides food-source vitamins and minerals, plus therapeutic phytonutrients like sulforaphan, anthocyanins, lycopene, lutein, and more.*
Ingredients: Organic acerola cherry, organic Brussels sprouts, organic spinach, organic blueberries, organic broccoli sprouts, organic kale, organic carrots, organic tomatoes, organic citrus, calcium citrate, magnesium citrate, mixed tocopherols (vegetable oil), Brewers yeast, kelp, molybdenum, zinc citrate, copper proteinate, chromium proteinate, manganese citrate, selenium proteinate, folate. In a vegetable capsule. No other fillers, binders, or additives.
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« Reply #66 on: April 28, 2008, 11:12:27 PM »

On the First Organics line, I didn't see anything that said exactly where they got their ingredients.  But some formulas appear to have standard vitamins in addition to the natural food supplements in them - see the labels here:

http://www.firstorganics.net/nutritioninfo.asp

I may be wrong, but I don't think those whole foods provide all those specific vitamins on that list.  These are the ones that are most likely to be China sourced according to what we've been hearing this past year. 

Also, USDA certifies China organics, and these seem to be really on the upswing for imports.  I've noticed many of the big chain groceries' burgeoning organic lines often include China produce.  So would be nice to find out where the whole foods are coming from too.

Not to say this is a bad line of vitamins at all, cynthiak - they do look much better than most.  Just if you're trying to go totally non-China, I'd check into it more.  I broke down & got a basic multi-vit & extra C from the food co-op today.  I'm sure most of those ingredients are China-based.  The woman was very knowedgeable & reassuring about quality control and such.  Will wait a month to see if there are recalls before I start them though! 
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« Reply #67 on: April 29, 2008, 09:56:16 AM »


I am still waiting for First Organics to get back to me.

I believe eating fresh whole foods (preferably organic) is best way of getting your vitamins and minerals. I feed my cats and dog fresh whole foods and they are doing great!

If you want to learn about all the benefits of eating whole foods, this is the book to get, The World's Healthiest Foods, Essential Guide for the Healthiest Way of Eating.  Each food item has recipes, cooking tips and a full list of vitamins and minerals it contains. It also explains what these nutrients do for the body. This book is wonderful!!! Their web site is at http://whfoods.org.

You can get it at Amazon.com at a reduced price...
http://www.amazon.com/Worlds-Healthiest-Foods-Essential-Eating/dp/0976918544
You can also search inside the book to see what I'm talking about.
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« Reply #68 on: April 29, 2008, 11:15:39 AM »

I'm really trying to move to a high percentage of raw organic fruits & veggies in my diet, with a little less grains.  I agree it's best to get all the goodies from the food itself, was trying to go that way, but I feel like my diet may be a bit limited since I try to stick with in-season US grown food, other than bananas & teas.  So I'm back to wanting to take some basic multi-supplement every day. 

Realistically, the supplement industry hasn't had that many recalls, and most of those have been specialty supplements.  We probably won't run into problems if we choose companies carefully since the better companies supposedly do a lot of stringent quality control checks on ingredients. 

But of course, we've seen additives slip through in medicines that weren't picked up by tests.  Then there are the cases where they have substituted real pharma products in herbal products so everyone thinks they are getting something natural that works great.  Or it might just be they are putting fillers in that aren't effective & we are spending money on nothing.  But I'll take my probably MIC viteys & hope they don't outright harm me.
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« Reply #69 on: April 29, 2008, 07:28:21 PM »

I found this place.
Interesting way that they answer questions.
Thought you might be interested.
I have ordered some of their products.  Reasonably priced.

http://www.purecaps.com/faqs.asp
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« Reply #70 on: April 29, 2008, 11:24:07 PM »

I found this place.
Interesting way that they answer questions.
Thought you might be interested.
I have ordered some of their products.  Reasonably priced.

http://www.purecaps.com/faqs.asp

Good one, Peg!!!  Thanks!
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