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Ragdoll Lover
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« Reply #30 on: May 21, 2007, 06:08:57 AM »

My local newspaper had the following recipe in the newspaper this weekend.
Chicken and Rice Diet (for normal dog or cat)
1/3 pound boneless chicken breast, cooked
1 egg, large, hard boiled
1/2 ounce clams, chopped in juice
1/3 cup rice, long grain, cooked
4 teaspoons vegetable or canola oil
1/8 teaspoon salt substitute - potassium chloride
4 bone meal tablets (10-grain or equivalent)
1 multiple vitamin-mineral tablet

Is this 1/3 pound pre-cooked weight on the chicken?  Would it be 1/3 cup COOKED rice?

Where do I find  multiple vitamin-mineral tablets?

Is the salt subsitute the kind you can purchase in the grocery store?

I think I read somewhere that I can buy bone meal tablets in a "human" health food store.  Is this correct? 

I am new to this stuff.  Sorry if these are stupid questions.

I do have a comment on feeding grains to cats.  I fed Innova EVO (no grains).  My cats' (10 mths & 4 yrs) creatinine level increased because they were getting too much protein (per the vet).  Maybe I need a recipe with more veggies?  Any thoughts?
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« Reply #31 on: May 22, 2007, 08:24:27 AM »

BASF manufactures a pet nutrition premix for the pet food industry. The owner of Evanger's pet food Co. told me that they get their supplements from them. Then added, that he talked to BASF and they assured him that it didn't come from China. I'm thinking maybe he got it from the BASF Co. in the US, but they sourced their ingredients from China??? I suspect that most pet food has this premix in it.

Just so you know, in February 2007 Nutreco took over BASF's premix businesses in eight countries, amongst them, the US and China.  So, you are not really receiving your "premix" from BASF, you are receiving it via Nutreco, which originates from The Netherlands. 
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« Reply #32 on: May 22, 2007, 11:16:58 AM »

Hi, your questions are NOT stupid, I've been looking into this since last year, and esp. since Feb when my kitty was first hit and am still asking a lot of basic questions, and sifting through the answers...

>>Is this 1/3 pound pre-cooked weight on the chicken?  Would it be 1/3 cup COOKED rice?

Basically it's 1 to 1, cooked, this meets the AAFCO ALLOWANCES which my vet faxed me from her Vet Text book. I posted that page here:
http://mackthetonk.blogspot.com/2007/05/vet-textbook-making-cat-food-at-home.html

My kitty does not like 50% carbs, and 0% carbs will kill. Somewhere in between is the % that works for your pet's particular heritage. Mine likes about 25% and wants carbs from a vegetable source mostly, e.g., fresh corn on the cob, or peas, carrots etc. Occassionally from lentils or chickpeas, and even more occasionally from potatoes. Although I have seen him string up a strand of pasta on his claw and draw it out, eating it.

I am trying Sojo's feline formula mixed in with his meat, and I have to tell you that Mack has been a real trooper trying everything his mommy cooked and slaved over (he sits on his chair and watches) he gobbled all this down at first, but for some reason, he went totally off it a few days later. I know it has good stuff, but some items are sourced from China (the dried fruits and veggies) so I  don't know and don't want to push him.

>>Where do I find  multiple vitamin-mineral tablets?

REGULAR HUMAN Vitamins I have been told work quite well. But which ones? Hmmm, Ask  the NOW vitamin manufacturer on this - http://www.nowfoods.com/  - they are putting together a pamphlet for their old and new customers who purchase for their pets e.g., kelp, lecithin, taurine bone meal etc. for pets, and they stress be careful.... However, I use MISSING LINK for some supplements. Apparently people have been doing this for a long time!

You could call their hotline and ask if the brochure is ready. Call others too, as NOW are only the first
I came across in my hunt.

>>Is the salt substitute the kind you can purchase in the grocery store?
I wouldn't buy it there, I'd move away from the Corporate Grocery Store... I get Maine Coast Sea Seasonings Organic Kelp Granules Low Sodium Salt aternative I purchased in an Organic Food store.

>>I think I read somewhere that I can buy bone meal tablets in a "human" health food store.  Is this correct?

Absolutely, ask the people in the store. Be careful buying a huge supply, I did and since it has some moisture in it, it caked to rock, making it hard to use, and it gives off an ammonia smell (natural!) but kitty hates it.

>>I am new to this stuff.  Sorry if these are stupid questions.
Not stupid, you are asking the smartest questions, and guess what, very few people have all the answers. It's a journey of discovery between you and your pet. Be careful with any advice that seems "extreme" to you, and let your pet help you decide (within reason!) - their instincts are fabulous.

Hint: Organic tomato soup without onion - if your pet has a problem switching over to home cooked, it's probably the unfamiliar smells. I've found putting tomato soup over it helps the whole matter along.

Another Hint: Baby foods, stage 1 where they don't put in onion which is bad. Use this baby food as a "matrix to put your fresh lightly cooked meats fish etc in, and add the additives to this.

Last hint: Cats like to eat food at their body temperature. I discovered this when my Mackie was sick, and he made a better effort to eat and drink when both his water and his food was warmed up. Less stress on his insulted body.

Good luck and don't give up!

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« Reply #33 on: May 25, 2007, 04:05:55 PM »

This is a link to the webpage for a highly recommended holistic pet store in New York City. They will deliver anywhere in the NY area or will ship. They also make up their own supplements which I'm going to investigate as I'm homecooking for my dogs and cat. I had a bad experience with a commercial supplement. Their phone # is on their site and you can check with them regarding the source of their vitamins, etc. They sell their own frozen raw food as well as some of the brands that many itchmo readers recommend.

http://1800whiskers.com/V2/template2.php?CHAPITRE=106

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« Reply #34 on: May 25, 2007, 05:34:40 PM »

Got it in writing from NOW foods:
 
I ask: Taurine powder
PRODUCT #: 0260
UPC: 733739002600
Taurine caps PRODUCT #: 0140
UPC: 733739001405
Would like to know if these products are  MADE in JAPAN?
Very interested in taurine NOT made in China or "sourced from USA"
distributor  that bought it from China.Does the label have a Country of
Origin?
They reply; "Yes our Taurine raw material is from Japan. We do not put Country of
Origins on our labels.

Thank you for your inquiry,
NOW Quality, Science, & Nutrition Group"
Since I got such a prompt reply I also asked about the Calcium Lactate,it's from the Netherlands.They also wrote about quality control,sourcing worldwide,any country can have bad exports,etc.A reasonable letter ,but I really just wanted Country Of Origin,and since they gave it,they have a customer.

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« Reply #35 on: May 26, 2007, 03:58:27 PM »

Thanks ElenaL!  I recently spent $75 for a friend in Seattle to ship 2 bottles of taurine to me in Costa Rica, where I haven't been able to find any.  I asked him to try to find one not "made in China" and he sent the NOW brand.  I'm really glad to hear that it's the right brand!!
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« Reply #36 on: May 29, 2007, 03:13:02 PM »

Celestial Pets Products. 

Celeste Yarnall, PH.D. has a proven technology with her ten (10) generations of Tonkinese cats with her products for raw food recipes.

Regards,

Kevin.

Web Site:
http://www.celestialpets.com

Recipe:
http://www.celestialpets.com/cat_dog_recipe.shtml#cat

Books:
http://www.celestialpets.com/bookinfo.shtml
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« Reply #37 on: May 29, 2007, 03:49:34 PM »

Got it in writing from NOW foods:
 
I ask: Taurine powder
PRODUCT #: 0260
UPC: 733739002600
Taurine caps PRODUCT #: 0140
UPC: 733739001405
Would like to know if these products are  MADE in JAPAN?
Very interested in taurine NOT made in China or "sourced from USA"
distributor  that bought it from China.Does the label have a Country of
Origin?
They reply; "Yes our Taurine raw material is from Japan. We do not put Country of
Origins on our labels.

Thank you for your inquiry,
NOW Quality, Science, & Nutrition Group"
Since I got such a prompt reply I also asked about the Calcium Lactate,it's from the Netherlands.They also wrote about quality control,sourcing worldwide,any country can have bad exports,etc.A reasonable letter ,but I really just wanted Country Of Origin,and since they gave it,they have a customer.



thank you!   Cheesy  I'm checking on their bone meal. on amazon and the pitcairn book they say it's imported. but one seller i noticed said it was from US cattle and so does their website (for powdered) so i will email and find out the scoop.
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« Reply #38 on: June 06, 2007, 07:22:53 AM »

I'm new here. Smiley  I wanted to reply to this thread b/c I saw where someone uses NOW Foods taurine.  I just spoke w/ a rep of NOW Foods.  Their amino acids are sourced from USA and Japan, with a few exceptions.  Taurine is one of them.  It's sourced from China.  Sad  I'm afraid there is very little made in the USA these days.

I make my own cat food and have for almost 10 years (raw meat).  I also feed them a nightly snack of Wellness Indoor Health dry.  It's such a gamble these days that all I can do is pray their food is safe.

Sad state we're in, isn't it?

Thanks for such a great site! Itchmo rules!

Judi & the Scottish mafia (4 awesome Scottish Folds)
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« Reply #39 on: June 06, 2007, 08:21:00 AM »

YIKES!  The NOW company tells ElenaL, in writing, that their taurine raw ingredients are from Japan, but tells FoldMom that they're from China??  Is there any company we can trust to, at least, tell the truth about their products?
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« Reply #40 on: June 06, 2007, 03:12:45 PM »

FoldMom,could you be more detailed about your conversation?
I used the web contact form on Now's website and asked about 2 SPECIFIC taurine only products including the UPC codes.Did you ask about aminos in general including their amino blends?Taurine one of many ingredients is in a lot of supplements they sell.Perhaps someone else could get another statement in writing being very specific? Someone on Pet Connection mentioned calling and being told taurine was from Japan,which is why I contacted them in the first place.I'm going to be requesting a refund if I was lied to.
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« Reply #41 on: June 11, 2007, 12:35:31 PM »

Called NOW and talked to nutritionist about taurine.They USED to have Japanese taurine,BUT as of April 30 2007 they buy from China.When I say I have email assuring me taurine was from Japan I was told that they had probably not looked at an updated list.The rep started to give the Pro China & "all our stuff is tested" speech,but I said I don't want to hear it & that no one that has been affected by the mass pet poisonings wants to hear it.So,the search for supplements not from China continues.This just frelling blows Angry
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« Reply #42 on: June 11, 2007, 07:36:37 PM »

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Is there any company we can trust to, at least, tell the truth about their products?

in short NO, I have lost faith in all of them, there always seem to be some excuse, like nobody told me we changed importers or some other BS.

Unless you make it yourself you are going to have to trust someone, who that is I don't know anymore.

I just looked up taurine on the internet, lots of places you can buy it online, but nowhere does it say where it comes from.

Wasn't there supposed to be a truth in labeling law, like they have to tell us what is in something??

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« Reply #43 on: July 27, 2007, 11:07:56 AM »

Here's some info I posted elsewhere.  I'm told by Natural Live that it's made in Utah and is a natural (not synthetic) taurine.  As always, you should confirm this for yourself because everything is subject to change.

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Here's the Nature's Life taurine that Homegrown mentioned on Itchmo last night:
http://www.natlife.com/

The Nature's Life rep (800/247-6997) said it's made in Utah and it's a natural (not synthetic) taurine.

It can be ordered from:
http://vitanetonline.com/Natureslife.cfm

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disclamer:  All information from companies is subject to change without notice, so please verify for yourself.       
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« Reply #44 on: October 14, 2007, 10:59:11 AM »


Here are a couple of items not made in China...

First Organics Dietary Supplements
Made in Canada
http://www.myvitanet.com/firstorganics.html
First Organics is the first line of USDA-certified organic supplements! They are uniquely formulated using real food sources to provide the full spectrum of nutrients as nature intended. Research demonstrates food-based nutrients are safer and more effective.

 USDA certified organic
 Real food ingredients
 Significant nutrient levels
 Vegetable capsule
 Nutrients as nature intended
 No fillers, binders or additives

Our revolutionary formulas are carefully crafted to provide natural doses of vitamins, minerals and phytonutrients, essential for generating energy, regulating immunity, and controlling aging, as well as performing numerous other functions that may improve health and quality of life. Our food-based supplements are freeze-dried without heat to preserve critical nutrients.

First Organics whole-food supplements contain significant levels of nutrients. For example, a serving of our vitamin C contains 200 mg of vitamin C derived only from whole foods — 333% of the recommended daily allowance.

Our unique approach ensures you'll benefit from the best Mother Nature has to offer. Our supplements also are free of fillers, coatings or other unnatural ingredients

I give their vitamin C to my dog and it helped her tremendously. I also take it myself.
See...
[/color] http://itchmoforums.com/veterinary-and-medications/drugresistant-staph-infection-cure-t1748.0.html;msg22333#msg22333

Natural Factors
Made in Canada
Probiotic
Acidophilus & Bifidus 10-Bill. Double Strength with Goat Milk
http://www.affordable-natural-supplements.com/10351.html

I give this to my pets. My vet said it was a good idea, and that friendly bacteria you can't overdose on. This is their web site...
http://us.naturalfactors.com/index.asp
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