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Author Topic: Where to get supplements NOT from China  (Read 26997 times)
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« Reply #15 on: May 05, 2007, 01:39:22 PM »

Saying made in USA does mean such in many many instances.

Vit C is imported, the product in many cases is imported and sold here, so it says made in USA

The same is bothering me about Nupro , since I am cooking for the dogs, I fear adding this to their foods.
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« Reply #16 on: May 05, 2007, 06:15:16 PM »

Heather, that's excellent. I saw chicken hearts at my grocery store the other day, they sell small containers of hearts, gizzards, liver, etc. My only issue is, since it's from a chicken...what if it's from a tainted chicken? That's why I was looking for a fish solution, for the time being at least.

Will cooking the hearts destroy the taurine? Do they need to be served up raw?
Hi Donna - Just a thought is the fish going to be safe or loaded with mercury? Wonder if the fish contained in some of the pet foods is the type known to contain lots of mercury? I do not eat fish anymore (for over a yr)  nor feed any type to my dog. MIght be worth asking about before feeding anything to your pets.
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« Reply #17 on: May 06, 2007, 05:25:35 AM »

Thanks JJ. I know I've read about the mercury in tuna, I haven't heard of a big problem in sardines, which is what I've given my cats (only twice though, thye've mostly eaten chicken). They get some Felidae dry everyday, so they do get some taurine. I'm hoping to slowly ease off dry and homemade cooked, and eventually switch them to all raw. 
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« Reply #18 on: May 06, 2007, 05:26:23 AM »

Thanks Heather. I knew chicken livers would be bad news, I assumed the same for hearts.
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« Reply #19 on: May 06, 2007, 08:18:26 AM »

For those of you looking for taurine that is made in the USA, I just found this company that claims products are all made in the USA.  It is American Ingredients, a division of PharmaChem.  Their amino acids appear to be made by a plant here in the U.S. by a Japanese partner...

"American Ingredients now offers a full range of amino acids to the nutritional industry through its partnership with Ajinomoto AminoScience LLC."  They are located in Raleigh, NC and they say "Our North Carolina plant is the only US manufacturer of cGMP, pharmaceutical-grade L-amino acids. Ajinomoto amino acids are of non-animal origin and of a purity that sets the standard for our industry."

The website for American Ingredients is http://tinyurl.com/2excp7
And the website for Ajinomoto is http://tinyurl.com/383lh8

I do not know if their taurine is the kind you would want to use for cats.  The "non-animal origin" raises a flag for me.  And I don't know if they sell to individuals or only to businesses.  But it is a U.S. supplier, and I thought I'd throw it out there to see if any of you know more about it??
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« Reply #20 on: May 06, 2007, 01:41:09 PM »

Thank you Marilyn...definitely worth checking out
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« Reply #21 on: May 06, 2007, 05:48:00 PM »

Thanks JJ. I know I've read about the mercury in tuna, I haven't heard of a big problem in sardines, which is what I've given my cats (only twice though, thye've mostly eaten chicken). They get some Felidae dry everyday, so they do get some taurine. I'm hoping to slowly ease off dry and homemade cooked, and eventually switch them to all raw. 
Your quite welcome Donna. My last dog I did home cook for about a year before she went to the bridge. It is very hard to do that, hold down a full time job, look for healthy food to buy, etc. I used my slow cooker quite a bit which came in real handy for making home cooked meals for my last lil furry one. My new adopted one eats Karma dry and Evangers wet. Take care.
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« Reply #22 on: May 11, 2007, 01:09:51 PM »

Here's one place NOT to get them, if you want to avoid Chinese ingrediets: balenceit.com, which sells a powdered supplement intended to be added to cooked meat diets.  After a bit of dodging, the company's sales manager told me:  "Yes, some vitamins and minerals do come from China and that's why we've had it tested for melamine and it came back negative for melamine."  Of course, by now we know that melamine isn't the only problem with Chinese ingredients.

I'm still waiting for an answer to the same question from Wysong, about their AddLife and Call of the Wild supplements.

For what it's worth, the infamous ChemNutra states that:  "We dominate the pet food market in taurine" since they "represent China's major quality-assured manufacturers."  Right.
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« Reply #23 on: May 13, 2007, 08:22:45 AM »

I have posted this a while ago but will post it again to this thread.  I sent an email to Procaps (Andrew Lessman vitamins) asking where their ingredients were from and here is the answer they sent me. I can not really understand from what they said is yes or not.  What do you think? 

Dear Kristen,
 
Thank you for the e-mail. 
 
Everything we make is sourced from natural ingredients, and we do not add dyes, fillers, waxes, and other unnecessary additives such as melamine, rice gluten or wheat gluten. We manufacture our own products and maintain the highest quality standards in the industry. Other companies import their products made outside the U.S. We only buy product ingredients from internationally recognized, quality suppliers and we require third-party testing on their ingredients. Then we do the confirmation testing ourselves.
 
We do all of our own manufacturing with strict quality standards. This ensures there is no possibility of outside tampering or manufacturing process complications. Our quality control methods allow us to confidently state that our products are more potent, pure, reliable, and safe than any other products on the market. All in all, you are receiving manufacturer-direct products shortly after they are packaged, thus assuring the most effective, purest and freshest supplements on the market.
 
Please e-mail if you need further assistance. 
 
Best of health and thank you for choosing ProCaps Laboratories!
 
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« Reply #24 on: May 14, 2007, 12:37:16 AM »

imo, their letter seems very 'form.'  they are evasive, avoiding, indirect, etc.... 

the only thing stated clearly is that they are the ones who manufacture the end product.  they say nothing other than their suppliers of ingredients are "int'l recognized" (which is supposed to set our minds at ease.). 

the testing blah blah means nothing to me anymore.  do their tests analyze every possible contamination?  from what i understand, a test probably has to be looking for something specific to be able to identify it.

all in all, their letter, as i interpret it, says, yeah, most probably at least one their ingredients are from china.  they certainly aren't saying that their ingredients aren't from china...  they know that THAT is what we want to know...  and they don't answer that. 

thanks for contacting them and posting here!  i for one, will avoid procaps products.  hey, that might be a great board.  just a place to post responses people have gotten from companies.  we could have one thread for cat food, another for dog food, another for supplements, etc...  i'll post the suggestion for itchmo...

you've inspired me to write to 'standard process.'  they make products i just bo't from my holisitc vet.  i assume their fine, but we all know what a mistake assuming is...  i'll post what i find...

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« Reply #25 on: May 18, 2007, 10:06:11 AM »

My bottle of Taurine says "made in the U.S.A." - it is made by "NOW" (www.nowfoods.com).  Of course, made in the USA doesn't necessarily mean anything these days does it?

I called Now Foods and they said that they get their Taurine Powder from Japan. I don't think there are any companies that manufacture amino acids in the United States. Their Taurine Powder doesn't have any additives in it other than taurine, which is good.
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« Reply #26 on: May 18, 2007, 10:09:29 AM »

My bottle of Taurine says "made in the U.S.A." - it is made by "NOW" (www.nowfoods.com).  Of course, made in the USA doesn't necessarily mean anything these days does it?

I called Now Foods and they said that they get their Taurine Powder from Japan. I don't think there are any companies that manufacture amino acids in the United States. Their Taurine Powder doesn't have any additives in it other than taurine, which is good.

thanks for that info! i have a feeling Japan's going to need to increase production on dietary supplements  Wink
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« Reply #27 on: May 18, 2007, 10:21:28 AM »

BASF manufactures a pet nutrition premix for the pet food industry. The owner of Evanger's pet food Co. told me that they get their supplements from them. Then added, that he talked to BASF and they assured him that it didn't come from China. I'm thinking maybe he got it from the BASF Co. in the US, but they sourced their ingredients from China??? I suspect that most pet food has this premix in it.
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« Reply #28 on: May 18, 2007, 10:29:29 AM »


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Clams do have a lot of taurine (my cat doesn't like clams!). There are charts at the following URL that list taurine content of various foods.

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Yes, http://www.serve.com/BatonRouge/taurine_chmr.htm is an EXCELLENT site on the subject of taurine. A "Must Read" on this subject. Smiley
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« Reply #29 on: May 18, 2007, 01:32:11 PM »

great info on the natural taurine.
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