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Author Topic: Where to get supplements NOT from China  (Read 27747 times)
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« on: May 01, 2007, 07:48:17 AM »

I'm making my own cat food...looking for a source of taurine that does not have a chinese connection. I have surfed several sites...one states right on it that it's from china. Several others dont state specifically, and when I emailed the company the response is usually they don't know but have been selling it for years with no problems (words to that effect).

Looking for products from USA.
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« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2007, 01:12:33 PM »

maybe whole foods.  checked a few of their taurine brands.  forgot to look for where made.  thanks for the reminder.  so many things to watch out for now... Shocked  need to make a list and keep it in my bag!  LOL!

didn't buy any at whole foods because am hoping to find something that is pure taurine without other ingredients like rice powder, cellulose (apart from the capsule), magnesium stearate, etc.  will need to find out what some of those are...  the rice powder just didn't fly with me tho'.  gee.  wonder why?   Undecided

will check my local nature mart, natural food store...

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« Reply #2 on: May 01, 2007, 03:41:57 PM »

I don't know what country its from, but PetAg makes a taurine supplement chew for cats.  The company's web site is http://www.petag.com/.  They have contact information posted.  I have seen the product on the Pet Food Direct web site.  Also, taurine for humans is sold in some health food stores.  You would have to determine the appropriate dosage for cats, however, and make sure there are no fillers that would be harmful.  Hope this helps.

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« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2007, 05:22:04 PM »

My bottle of Taurine says "made in the U.S.A." - it is made by "NOW" (www.nowfoods.com).  Of course, made in the USA doesn't necessarily mean anything these days does it?
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« Reply #4 on: May 03, 2007, 05:36:30 AM »

Thank you ragdoll. Now foods was one of the companies I emailed but I didn't get a response. I read that even if it says Made in USA, the ingredients might be sourced from China and it might be manufactured/packaged in the US, but I guess if I have to take a chance on something, Now Foods looked like one of the better options.

Thank you again!
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« Reply #5 on: May 03, 2007, 09:02:05 AM »

I would love to find this out as well! If anyone can locate a U.S. source, please post here. I emailed NOW Foods and they say they source ingredients from all over the world, including China. The assured me that they do extensive testing, etc., blah, blah, blah. They also claim to be testing for melamine. All those reassurances don't mean much to me in light of the current situation. I am feeding home-prepared diets to my cat and dog and really would like to locate a safe source of taurine (my cat won't eat raw). Thanks!
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« Reply #6 on: May 03, 2007, 09:41:34 AM »

What foods contain taurine? I'd prefer to not use supplements at all if I can get away with it. From what I've read there seems to be a lot of taurine in clams.
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« Reply #7 on: May 03, 2007, 10:15:44 AM »

everyone is looking including over at Dr. Andrew Weil's pet recall thread. I have posted here that BASF (the people who don't make things but make them "better" , the largest chemical company in the world, who OBTW own the license to the Melamine process...) well, read for yourself:
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" Due to the global economy and worldwide outsourcing, some ingredients or supplements are not made in the U.S. or are not made in sufficient quantity. Most pet food and human food companies and makers of supplements most likely source some supplements from China. Most B vitamins for human and pet consumption come from China. In our supplements, U.S. vitamin maker BASF sources some vitamins from China. This will be true of the vitamin content for most pet foods you buy and for many pet or human vitamins you use. The Glucosamine we humans take as well as the Glucosamine in your pet’s food most likely is sourced from  China. The same is true for human grade Taurine. Some pet food makers seem unaware that some ingredients of necessity must be sourced from China; scary they don’t know."

The answer is ALL TAURINE and if you speak off the record, you will find the real answer is ALL VITAMINS but I'm hoping that's not altogether true either.

TAURINE delays or reverses the aging process in humans (see quote below, we need it too) so there you go, no wonder some IG Farben derivative somehow seems to OWN that... it's also in energy drinks... beware...

Taurine in the pharmaceutical and lab setting is synthesized through a combination of cysteine, methionine and vitamin E.

Be aware that BASF is developing/pushing globally a genetically engineered version of VITAMIN E one they say will incorporate a cure for prostate cancer. Thank you but as a female I really don't want "Franken Vitamins" and neither will I feed my cat the same.

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It has been established that taurine concentration is extraordinarily high in the developing brain, and falls of sharply thereafter. This occurs at a time when the presumed synthetic pathway, via cysteine sulfinate decarboxylase, has little measurable activity, suggesting that a dietary source of taurine is essential. Moreover, it has been found that high concentrations of taurine are present in breast milk, which reflects the important need for taurine by the growing animal.

They destroy the quality of our soil with their pesticides and chemical farming methods, they try to push their "frankenfood GMO seeds" on us, when we supplement with vitamins, we find they own all that and are mucking with that too. With no recourse.
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« Reply #8 on: May 03, 2007, 10:23:58 AM »

My bottle of Taurine says "made in the U.S.A." - it is made by "NOW" (www.nowfoods.com).  Of course, made in the USA doesn't necessarily mean anything these days does it?

I called HERBAL REMEDIES and asked them, they said I have to email their information@herbalremedies.com which as been coming back with this for days now.

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« Reply #9 on: May 03, 2007, 10:45:29 AM »

What foods contain taurine? I'd prefer to not use supplements at all if I can get away with it. From what I've read there seems to be a lot of taurine in clams.

Hi Donna,

Clams do have a lot of taurine (my cat doesn't like clams!). There are charts at the following URL that list taurine content of various foods.

<http://www.serve.com/BatonRouge/taurine_chmr.htm>
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« Reply #10 on: May 03, 2007, 12:47:12 PM »

Anna, really scary stuff. We need to open our eyes. I guess I was naive, thought the FDA was watching this sort of thing.
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« Reply #11 on: May 03, 2007, 12:48:05 PM »

wrigslvr, that's a great chart. I notice that sardines aren't on there. Too bad, they're cheap and my kids love them.
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« Reply #12 on: May 03, 2007, 06:42:58 PM »

A good source of taurine is chicken hearts.

You can get them from http://www.hare-today.com/product_info.php?products_id=66


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« Reply #13 on: May 04, 2007, 10:01:35 AM »

Heather, that's excellent. I saw chicken hearts at my grocery store the other day, they sell small containers of hearts, gizzards, liver, etc. My only issue is, since it's from a chicken...what if it's from a tainted chicken? That's why I was looking for a fish solution, for the time being at least.

Will cooking the hearts destroy the taurine? Do they need to be served up raw?
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« Reply #14 on: May 04, 2007, 10:45:45 AM »

Even if melamine contaminated chickens, it seems as if the adverse effects would be in the digestive areas, since we are seeing kidney/urinary issues in our animals.  I'm no biologist but that's what makes sense to me.  I don't believe it would affect the hearts.

I've fed raw food for over a year combined with some Wellness canned.  I, too, have been concerned with the possibility of contaminated chicken.  At this time, I feel confident that the muscle meat, bones, hearts are fine even if the chicken was fed tainted feed.  If you are feeding raw and need to source liver, I would make sure it's organic or from a reputable place like Hare-Today.

I wouldn't feed raw fish/clams etc as a source of taurine.  Raw fish can lead to a thaimine deficiency, plus fish (and beef) can be extremely hyperallergenic to cats.

Cooking over 110 degrees can destroy nutrients. I wouldn't cook the hearts, just serve 'em up raw.

That's my $0.02.

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