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« Reply #15 on: March 15, 2009, 06:41:34 PM » |
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Time and "ignorance" is the main issue.
A section covering a selection of "easy to prepare quick meals" would be a real bonus.
For those who would like to supplement our cats diet with home cooked but are not able to be a full time feline chef.
Yes! Exactly! Two to three ingredient recipes. How's that? Oh boy here ya go putting me on the spot. Okay then here's my dilemma. For the one who wants to open a book and memorize say three different easy meals. (For starters) "Alright, I get say . . some chicken breast, dice it up, cook it, serve it to Sash. Add a sprinkle of catnip? Top with some kibble bits? Perhaps a splash of diced tuna? Sprig of parsley? Whipped Cream? Real ambitious and imaginative huh? Kind of something like . . AHHHHH!  Chapter 11. The Lazy Persons Guide to Cooking for your pet. (Quick recipes for dummies?)
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« Reply #16 on: March 15, 2009, 06:56:32 PM » |
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HA HA HA HA HA!!! There WILL be a section on supplemental feeding of fresh foods that DO NOT involve balancing with this and that... designed for folks who are happy with feeding some good balanced commercial brand but would like to give something fresh to their cat(s) once or twice a week.
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« Reply #17 on: March 15, 2009, 07:01:12 PM » |
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HA HA HA HA HA!!! There WILL be a section on supplemental feeding of fresh foods that DO NOT involve balancing with this and that... designed for folks who are happy with feeding some good balanced commercial brand but would like to give something fresh to their cat(s) once or twice a week.
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« Reply #18 on: March 15, 2009, 07:03:15 PM » |
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Cato, while worrying about the balancing act, not every meal is completely balanced for every person. Is it possible to make complimentary menus for a day with simple added ingredients that end up balanced, or is that too risky?
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« Reply #19 on: March 15, 2009, 07:40:55 PM » |
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Well, after finding out I'm probably severely overdosing my cats on the fat soluble vitamins in their commercial canned food, I'm not worried as much about me not getting the balance just right. In fact I feel a lot safer with the home-made recipe than the canned at this point!
Right now dogs & cats are on half home-made and half commercial. I would love to switch to home-made completely and hope to do so this summer when I have more time to cook large vats of meat & veggies and do the processing for the cat food. Time is probably my biggest block at this point. I would like to try my hand at raw food too.
Does anyone know of a large capacity food processer? I bought the biggest one out there and could use one twice as big!
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« Reply #20 on: March 15, 2009, 08:40:46 PM » |
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Cato, while worrying about the balancing act, not every meal is completely balanced for every person. Is it possible to make complimentary menus for a day with simple added ingredients that end up balanced, or is that too risky?
Absolutely possible and no more risky than how cats have been fed in homes before the first canned cat food was produced or the first kibble bag, 3Cat. THere are some nutrients that are absolutely necessary to a cat, like taurine, arginine, arachidonic acid, niacin... nutrients they cannot synthesize from other nutrients like dogs and people can do. But all these nutrients are present invarying amounts in meats (poultry, beef, pork, lamb etc) and fish - foods that cats prefer over thers. We just know now that some of thse nutrients like taurine are heat and water sensitive and can be lost through processing.
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« Reply #21 on: March 15, 2009, 09:07:05 PM » |
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HA HA HA HA HA!!! There WILL be a section on supplemental feeding of fresh foods that DO NOT involve balancing with this and that... designed for folks who are happy with feeding some good balanced commercial brand but would like to give something fresh to their cat(s) once or twice a week.
I would be interested in that! In fact, I am already giving them an occasional raw meal 1-2 a week, depends when I find something "fresh" enough (i.e. still partly frozen, since I would only consider feeding Australia or New Zealand imported meat). I am not entirely happy with feeding commercial, and not too worried about balancing, though I am worried about safety of supplements, since they often contain quite a few fillers and are similarly risky to good commercial brands of food. However, I don;t think that I have any other option, since if I would regularly feed home-prepared, it would have to be with local sources of meat, and considering my location and that practically all meat which is sold as fresh comes from mainland China, frankly I don't think this is a good idea. So I can feed them commercial Almo Nature or Applaws cans which are EU organic chicken in chicken broth with 1% whole rice (i.e. you can see couple of rice grains in the can), or china chicken pumped full of antibiotics, additives and who knows what. That is my biggest reason against feeding home-prepared, mine are definitely not interested in cooked food, thy are willing to eat raw and I simply cannot find raw that is safe to feed often enough.
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« Reply #22 on: March 15, 2009, 09:39:55 PM » |
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Does anyone know of a large capacity food processer? I bought the biggest one out there and could use one twice as big!
Can't say I know like KNOW... but I guess you can look on-line for an "industrial" version? I mean like, with meat grinders, there are house kitchen types ad "industrial" types.
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« Reply #23 on: March 15, 2009, 09:49:51 PM » |
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HA HA HA HA HA!!! There WILL be a section on supplemental feeding of fresh foods that DO NOT involve balancing with this and that... designed for folks who are happy with feeding some good balanced commercial brand but would like to give something fresh to their cat(s) once or twice a week.
I would be interested in that! In fact, I am already giving them an occasional raw meal 1-2 a week, depends when I find something "fresh" enough (i.e. still partly frozen, since I would only consider feeding Australia or New Zealand imported meat). I am not entirely happy with feeding commercial, and not too worried about balancing, though I am worried about safety of supplements, since they often contain quite a few fillers and are similarly risky to good commercial brands of food. However, I don;t think that I have any other option, since if I would regularly feed home-prepared, it would have to be with local sources of meat, and considering my location and that practically all meat which is sold as fresh comes from mainland China, frankly I don't think this is a good idea. So I can feed them commercial Almo Nature or Applaws cans which are EU organic chicken in chicken broth with 1% whole rice (i.e. you can see couple of rice grains in the can), or china chicken pumped full of antibiotics, additives and who knows what. That is my biggest reason against feeding home-prepared, mine are definitely not interested in cooked food, thy are willing to eat raw and I simply cannot find raw that is safe to feed often enough. I think it is entirely possible also to feed home-made food without artificial supplements like multi-vitamin and mineral tabs, taurine, B-50's etc. by feeding whole uncooked or carefully prepared cooked foods. For example, taurine can be got from sardines, clams, chicken hearts... arachidonic acid from animal fat... calcium from eggshells, yogurt, tofu... omegas from fish... b's from probiotics that ensure kitty gut is healthy enough to produce adequate amounts "in-system" ... Balance can be achieved over time. At present I also feed all three modalities to Cato: raw, home-cooked and commercial (cans and kibble). he's a spoilt little boy! Some readings have convinced me that if we possibly can, we should try to get a young cat to recognize all these as "food" and becuase I believe variety is really healthy. Not just variety in kinds of food, but variety in presentation. Of course, nothing beats freshly killed prey.
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« Reply #24 on: March 16, 2009, 12:19:35 AM » |
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Does anyone know of a large capacity food processer? I bought the biggest one out there and could use one twice as big!
Can't say I know like KNOW... but I guess you can look on-line for an "industrial" version? I mean like, with meat grinders, there are house kitchen types ad "industrial" types. if you are using cooked meats and veggies, try a food mill. If you are doing raw, try a heavy duty meat grinder that can handle bones. I have several large bowls and when I did my own raw ground, I would just lay out massive amounts of meat/bone/organs, hatchet away, put through grinder and just start filling bowls. I never really did cooked in huge batches because of the food processor issue and having 8 cats at one point  You can also try one of those stick blenders and do the chopping/processing right in your pot if it's a stainless vat  I've used the stick blender to break down some chicken/rice/veggie soup for the cats. I like to leave it somewhat chunky and my cats don't mind. It slows down their eating, which keeps my youngest from doing the inhaling/upchuck routine.
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« Reply #25 on: March 16, 2009, 01:23:08 AM » |
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Went and did a search for what nutrients/vitamins/etc. a dog needs and did find a site that gave you the equivalent in human food. So I just cook our dinners that we both eat as I do not have the time nor funds to make a separate dish of chicken with veggies for her since I'm cooking anyway she eats the same as myself with the required nutrients and the other meal she has is organic pet food that was never on a recall list. Plus just about everyday she gets a small tsp. of cottage cheese for the probiotics it provides for healthy intestines. Good for hoomans too. So I'm home cooking only its for both of us.
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« Reply #26 on: March 16, 2009, 04:59:03 AM » |
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The biggest non-commercial food processer I could find was the Cuisinart 14 cup. As far as getting everything perfectly balanced,commercial pf isn't either. At least with homemade you know you aren't cooking it to the point that all nutrients are lost.
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« Reply #27 on: March 16, 2009, 06:00:09 AM » |
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Another factor that keeps me from making much cat food on my own is the limited availability of suitable meat at a reasonable price. I don't mind paying somewhat more, but except for chicken, the prices are way out of line. I don't want to waste my time using hormone-filled supermarket meats, but the price of organic meat is out of sight! And there's nothing more discouraging than spending the time and money to make something and have the cats reject it. I once found some locally-raised frozen free-range, no hormones or additives whole pheasants on sale. I bought a few (not cheap even on sale), cooked them, boned them (not easy either), and whipped up a batch of cat food. None of the cats would eat it at all!  (I envy people who have healthy young dogs that will happily eat most anything.) I do agree about starting them young on a variety of different types of food (raw, home-cooked, and canned) so that they will recognize it as such. My most food-adaptable cat is Linley, who was only 1 1/2 when I got him. He's the only one who will eat raw food. The two that I raised from kittens eating both canned and dry food also accepted some home-cooked, and are fairly adaptable even though they are now almost 12. But the two rescues adopted as adults are kibble addicts, and it's very, very hard to get them to eat anything wet. They were probably raised on dry food.
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« Reply #28 on: March 16, 2009, 06:41:16 AM » |
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When I first started doing home-made, I would cook a small amount of a variety of different meats..liver, hearts, beef, chicken, etc, grind them and put them into separate containers. I would experiment with feeding one, two, three or more mixes till I found something that seemed to get their interest. Sometimes add in a bit of tuna to get my kibble addict girlie interested. My two do not seem to like chicken dinners; they will eat a few little pieces of it but not when I tried mixing up a combination. Eventually I came up with something they would eat and then continued "tweaking" it to try for good nutrition. When worse came to worse and they would not eat certain individual parts (when I was cooking small amounts) I would add it to my own food and eat it myself. 
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« Reply #29 on: March 16, 2009, 06:55:12 AM » |
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When worse came to worse and they would not eat certain individual parts (when I was cooking small amounts) I would add it to my own food and eat it myself.  Not an option for those of us who do not eat meat.  Which brings me to another factor to put on the list, one that stopped me for quite awhile: The yuk factor for many vegetarians. It was difficult for me to overcome the revulsion of entering a meat department, purchasing meat, and the horrible smell of cooking it.
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