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« Reply #15 on: July 02, 2008, 01:01:01 PM » |
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Poor little sweetheart --- he must be feeling the stress of campaigning.  Klondike - your vet may insist on running the pancreatic insufficiency test before prescribing the animal pancreas enzyme  --- I often wish our vets will take "orders" from us!  Two weeks ago, I wanted my dahling vet to prescribe Kaffe lactated ringers - "just in case" - becuase it is summer and he is showing signs of renal insufficiency (USG below 1.030) ... dahling vet said, "He doesn't need that." 
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« Reply #16 on: July 02, 2008, 02:33:58 PM » |
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Glad last night was better, hoping you can find the diet which works for tummy & allergies !
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« Reply #17 on: July 02, 2008, 03:09:35 PM » |
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Sorry to hear about Poco's troubles, but very glad that he is doing better today. (both ends, yikes! horrible for Poco and you too!)
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« Reply #18 on: July 02, 2008, 06:23:09 PM » |
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I just saw this thread. Poor Poco. I hope you feel better real soon. we all love you.
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« Reply #19 on: July 02, 2008, 10:47:28 PM » |
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Poco is much better today.  Don, Poco actually got sick when I tried to switch to cooked from raw. But don't worry, even though I'm a raw feeder, I'm not a raw fanatic. Like this guy! 
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« Reply #20 on: July 03, 2008, 04:32:46 PM » |
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Klondike, I'm so glad Poco is doing better. Is there any chance he may have IBD? maybe a little flagyl would help soothe his tummy. Hope he's still doing good with the chicken.
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« Reply #21 on: July 03, 2008, 10:49:25 PM » |
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Thanks again for everyone's concern. He's still doing great.
Katie, he does have some sort of metabolic sensitivity. The only formal diagnosis is Cushings, but it's been a struggle for years to find the right diet for him.
I'll probabaly make this thread disappear in a day or two since he's better. Don't want to confuse people about homecooking. Poco is a unique challenge.
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« Reply #22 on: July 03, 2008, 11:14:33 PM » |
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Before this thread disappears, I just wanted to say I'm so glad Poco is doing better!
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« Reply #23 on: July 03, 2008, 11:43:51 PM » |
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Thanks, August!  We are, too.
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« Reply #24 on: July 04, 2008, 09:39:20 AM » |
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I just read this thread for first time! So sorry Poco (and his people, too) went thru that horrible night. It's good that he is better. Let us know when you find out the cause...IF you find out. Poor Poco baby has had some bad times! Give him (((((HUGS))))) from me. Just last night as i watched neighborhood kids decorating wagon for today's parade, I thought of Poco and the possibility you might be decorating his stroller for a 4th parade in your town.
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« Reply #25 on: July 04, 2008, 10:28:20 AM » |
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Klondike, I'm glad Poco is doing better.
Reason I asked about the IBD - several years ago, I had a male dog who had IBS - off and on problems. At 11 he was diagnosed with Cushings. After that his IBS got worse (we really didn't know why) but at those times the vet had me give him Flagyl for three weeks - things would calm down and we would take him off of it. When the gastric/intestines acted up we put him back on Flagyl. I can remember one time he got a hold of one of the other dogs PetTab and it was awful for him - both ends - turned out to be the pork liver in Pet Tabs was the irritant. Hopefully this isn't Poco's problem - but it was a thought I wanted to share.
Hope he got to ride in his decorated stroller in the parade today.
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« Reply #26 on: July 04, 2008, 10:40:59 AM » |
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Now you get to be a food detective ! Eliminate 1 thing at a time for about 2 weeks & see if you can find whats causing it.If you do decorate the presidential stroller,we want pix !
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« Reply #27 on: July 04, 2008, 10:55:55 AM » |
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Katie, That is quite a synchronicity. And the symptoms are worse now, though I wouldn't have realized it as much if I hadn't been trying out canned food again and cooked foods. It is really interesting that the vet tried Flagyl. Also the vitamin connection. His Proneurozone has 'animal liver meal' which does not thrill me, but I haven't found anything hypoallergenic that seems to benefit him as much. The multi that seemed to push him over the edge is a hypoallergenic capsule, but any calcium seemed to upset him, too, so maybe that was it. I don't need the multi if I use the commercial raw, at least. If I stay mainly on that, I could homecook once and awhile and not worry about adding vitamins and he'd be fine with that as long as I used the right protein and kept the fat low. Did you ever try any meds for Cushings and find that helped the IBD? -------------------------- (Poco hasn't gotten out yet, but will get an outing soon. Maybe we should decorate. Just would need some red and white added to the blue stroller - good for his patriotic campaign image. :  )
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« Reply #28 on: July 05, 2008, 03:01:15 PM » |
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Klondike, hope Poco is still doing better.
No, we didn't try meds with the Cushings. He had so many medical issues around the time he was confirmed with Cushings we didn't want to overload him with meds. He had occasional gastric issues even as a pup, but he was a dog that stressed easily. He did well on a food and all of a sudden for some unknown reason, it would disagree with him. And, it didn't help that he consumed 30 lbs of alfatoxin contaminated Nature's Receipe! His stomach upsets were really random until he reached about 10 years of age. Than it became more constant. When he was diagnosed with Cushings at 11; it seemed like a weekly event. One time he ended up spending two days at the hospital on IV's because he got so dehydrated in 24hrs. He had xrays all the time! We never saw any growths on his intestine but the xrays always showed an inflammed intestine. One time they gave him a barium xray and that really soothed his tummy! Originally the vet had me giving him Pepcid(she originally thought acid problems) - but that did nothing. Than we tried a couse of Baytril and Flagyl - took the Baytril away and went with Flagyl for three weeks. No gastric/intestinal issues and he gained weight (at the time he was eating Calif Nat Lamb and Rice, we tried to give him food with the least amount of ingredients ). We decided not to put him through any biopsies or further testing; he seemed to fit the criteria of IBD (symptoms, food problems, what the stool looked like, etc.) and went from there. If he had a bad night, we started the Flagyl, went back to three days of Chicken and Rice and would wean him back to his commercial food. The Flagyl worked great for him and it seemed with its use, we had longer times between episodes. I guess there are some dogs who take Flagyl continuously. He was my "heart dog"; he lived to be 14;it was hemangiosarcoma that took his life.
Another thing I have heard people using is Tylan. For my dog it didn't do anything but you might ask your vet about it. I've had friends who used it with great success.
Pork liver - I never dreamed a vitamin could cause such problems! One day I decided maybe I should give my geriatric dogs a vitamin to keep them healthy - they spit them out and he snarfed them all up! Within hours - bad reaction.
You said about the capsule - maybe the coating is something that Poco is reacting to. I've learned what maybe hypoallergenic for some is not for all. Calcium - does he react to all forms of calcium?
I don't know if you have looked at the Yahoo groups for Cushings and IBD? both are owned by knowledgable people and many doctors are also on the lists. I found them really helpful in knowing how the diseases were being treated across the country and the world. And, gave me some information to discuss with my own vet.
If Poco does well on the commercial raw - seems like a good thing to stick with.
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« Reply #29 on: July 06, 2008, 10:14:18 PM » |
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Klondike, hope Poco is still doing better.
No, we didn't try meds with the Cushings. He had so many medical issues around the time he was confirmed with Cushings we didn't want to overload him with meds. He had occasional gastric issues even as a pup, but he was a dog that stressed easily. He did well on a food and all of a sudden for some unknown reason, it would disagree with him. And, it didn't help that he consumed 30 lbs of alfatoxin contaminated Nature's Receipe! His stomach upsets were really random until he reached about 10 years of age. Than it became more constant. When he was diagnosed with Cushings at 11; it seemed like a weekly event. One time he ended up spending two days at the hospital on IV's because he got so dehydrated in 24hrs. He had xrays all the time! We never saw any growths on his intestine but the xrays always showed an inflammed intestine. One time they gave him a barium xray and that really soothed his tummy! Originally the vet had me giving him Pepcid(she originally thought acid problems) - but that did nothing. Than we tried a couse of Baytril and Flagyl - took the Baytril away and went with Flagyl for three weeks. No gastric/intestinal issues and he gained weight (at the time he was eating Calif Nat Lamb and Rice, we tried to give him food with the least amount of ingredients ). We decided not to put him through any biopsies or further testing; he seemed to fit the criteria of IBD (symptoms, food problems, what the stool looked like, etc.) and went from there. If he had a bad night, we started the Flagyl, went back to three days of Chicken and Rice and would wean him back to his commercial food. The Flagyl worked great for him and it seemed with its use, we had longer times between episodes. I guess there are some dogs who take Flagyl continuously. He was my "heart dog"; he lived to be 14;it was hemangiosarcoma that took his life.
Another thing I have heard people using is Tylan. For my dog it didn't do anything but you might ask your vet about it. I've had friends who used it with great success.
Pork liver - I never dreamed a vitamin could cause such problems! One day I decided maybe I should give my geriatric dogs a vitamin to keep them healthy - they spit them out and he snarfed them all up! Within hours - bad reaction.
You said about the capsule - maybe the coating is something that Poco is reacting to. I've learned what maybe hypoallergenic for some is not for all. Calcium - does he react to all forms of calcium?
I don't know if you have looked at the Yahoo groups for Cushings and IBD? both are owned by knowledgable people and many doctors are also on the lists. I found them really helpful in knowing how the diseases were being treated across the country and the world. And, gave me some information to discuss with my own vet.
If Poco does well on the commercial raw - seems like a good thing to stick with.
Katie Sounds like you went through a lot of challenges, too, with your dog's digestion. There seems to be a lot of similarities in the way these cases progress. I'm sure the aflatoxin exposure could have contributed to the hemangiosarcoma. I lost my Sheltie to that disease at only 11. The article I posted about canine cancer in the Misc section said that even non-toxic levels of aflatoxin and acrylamides in grains may be contributing to cancer rates in dogs. It does seem like every form of calcium I tried, (never got to try bone meal), was making the situation worse. And I think you are right that something about the multi-vit itself was a problem for him. I'm just giving up on those. He is still doing good, though yesterday he had a little too much fruit, (mango and cherries), and was a bit off today. (Shame on us, but he loves those two fruits and it is hard not to overdo it with such a small dog. At least he wasn't actually sick.) His eye are still nice and clear from his homefeeding stint, so the experience did clear up some sort of allergy. What I may do is try couple of days of home cooking, (and it may just be meat if that is what works for him), every now and then if his allergies kick up. Tomorrow we see his veterinarian, so we'll see what she thinks. (She didn't start meds for the same reason you didn't with your dog - age and the tradeoffs.)
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