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Author Topic: Slightly elevated kidneys and switch to raw feeding  (Read 2463 times)
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marma
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« on: September 17, 2009, 07:18:47 AM »


Hi Peoples!

I'm new here! I was referred by a rawcats user.

Anyways, My cat freddie is 13 and is overweight, has arthritis, and his kidney levels are slightly elevated.  Not enough at this point to require medication according to the vet, but his diet should be low in phosphorous.

I have decided to consider switching to raw feeding and now have him only on canned natural balance.

The problems I am having currently are:

1. Freddie has runny stools. I would like that to be taken care of before switching him to raw. I am wondering if I should I switch to another canned food or if that would be too stressful. Any suggestions?

2. Also, are there any other raw feeders here for cats with minor kidney issues?  I am looking for info on which meats are low phosphorous.

I don't trust my vets very much because my last vet said that prednisone has no long-term side effects.  And now I have two vets at the same clinic giving conflicting advice about diets and medication.

Thanks,
marma
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« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2009, 09:06:04 AM »

Welcome to Itchmo Marma. 

I'm not a raw food feeder but I know from reading there are lots here with experience in raw food and CRF cats.  Good luck with controlling those numbers.
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« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2009, 09:25:11 AM »

Hi Marma,

Welcome to Itchmo and sorry you had to come here under less-than-happy circumstances. Many of us here have kitties with CRF. My girl, Katey, is 20 and had been living with CRF for the past 5 or 6 years. Here's what I do for my girl:

1. Food: She is on any canned food she wants because of her age, but I vary the food all the time so she doesn't get tired of one brand or flavor. I do give her renal vet food sometimes, but it isn't her favorite. I have found that with my CRF cat, it is better to have her eat than give her something she will refuse or throw up. You might want to start trying to add other canned foods to Freddie's regimen. At first, I started off giving her strictly low phosphorus foods, but those are few and far between and they don't taste that good to her (Medi-Cal Reduced Protein, Medi-Cal Mature, Hills K/D, K/D with chicken). Now, I give her pretty much any "better" food and include cooked chicken and raw beef as snacks. Her CRF has not gotten significantly worse over the years -- her numbers are still good and other than her arthritis, she really looks great for her age.

2. Vitamins and minerals: Katey is on NuCat vitamins and brewer's yeast (lots of B vitamins that are lost in the extra urine they produce). She gets 1/2 pill each per day. She also gets potassium gluconate (Thera-K) every other day to ensure her potassium level stays up.

The issue of prednisone -- yes, it does affect their kidneys in the long term. This wouldn't be a huge issue for Katey as she is 20 and I opt for quality of life over quantity, but Freddie is only 13. Unless there's a  really good reason to use it, there may be alternatives.

If they suggested it for his arthritis, you may want to look into gabapentin if it is severe. This does get filtered through the kidneys, but NSAIDS that some prescribe do as well and the pain-killing effect doesn't last as long. Gabapentin has not been studied in cats to any great extent -- it's use is off-label.

Freddie's weight might come down with the switch to all wet food. I had an 18 lb cat that lost 4 lbs over a couple of years when I switched him to wet only.

If you check the "making your own pet food and home remedies" section of the forum, you'll find many CRF recipes (Kaffe Kooks, Cato continues Kaffe's work and more).

There are many others here who, I'm sure, will chime in with their experiences and may be of more assistance in formulating a raw diet for Freddie if you can't find something suitable.
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« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2009, 08:18:50 PM »

Welcome, Marma.  I just updated a list I started here on P levels in meats.  The first number is P found in raw meat, the number in parenthesis is cooked.  It's for 1 lb of meat for each type:

http://itchmoforums.com/making-your-own-pet-food-and-home-remedies/cato-continues-kaffes-work-t6701.0.html;msg128904#msg128904

The Feline Future/Instincts website has a little info on kidney disease and raw diets:

http://www.felinefuture.com/?p=2194
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« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2009, 08:25:46 PM »

Welcome Marma ! I can't help with the raw for CRF, my cat who had it passed 11 years ago & back then no one did raw. Hopefully some others here have looked into it or tried it. Positive thoughts for a successful diet change for Freddie.
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marma
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« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2009, 11:51:48 AM »

Hi Everyone,

Thanks for the big welcome.  This is a lot of information to process and unfortunately I didn't know about these replies for several days because I don't get notifications via email...I wasn't mentally prepared for this homework:-)

I will check to see if there is a setting for email notifications too..

Meanwhile I feel the disctinct need to take a break after reading all of this. LOL

It is REALLY good info. LOL.

I need to be ready the next time I come here.  It's good to have:-)  I'll be back this week, I think. 
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