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« on: April 21, 2007, 03:35:40 PM » |
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How many have actually tried and succeeded with getting cat to eat raw meat. I know humans can get bacteria from raw meat? Cats can't? Why?
I was thinking of getting some chicken hearts on Monday and trying it. I am scared, hope she doesn't get sick.
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LadyWillow
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« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2007, 05:50:50 PM » |
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Hi Amy, Here is a great group to learn about cat nutrition. http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/WholeCatHealthI have learnt so much here since my cat died of renal failure due to the tainted food! I will be going to canned and raw food by Natural Value Prairie when we do get our new Ragdoll kitten. This group will help you with anything you need. Regards, Joanne |
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skynet51
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« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2007, 12:00:10 PM » |
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I have been feeding my cats raw food for over 10 years. I make all my pets food from scratch using Celestial Pets products. Celeste Yarnall, PH.D. has a proven technology with her ten (10) generations of Tonkinese cats and can help you with this issue. Regarding bacteria in the meat, Grapefruit Seed Extract is commonly used to help sterilize the meat product prior to serving. Additionally, animals are highly resistant to bacterial infection, especially of the intestinal tract-IF they have been raised on the proper raw food diet. On Dr. Yarnall's web site, she has posted a cat and dog recipe you can use to help get you started. She also has many articles supporting her research on this subject. DO NOT FEED YOUR PETS COOKED FOOD! I wish all your pets a long and healthy life. Web Site: http://www.celestialpets.comRecipe: http://www.celestialpets.com/cat_dog_recipe.shtml#catBooks: http://www.celestialpets.com/bookinfo.shtmlAlso, I received this article from William Campbell Douglass II, MD, not related to Celestial Pets, and found it a good read and decided to post it on my website. http://sysprime.com/Raw_truth.htm |
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« Last Edit: April 22, 2007, 12:20:36 PM by skynet51 »
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Celestial Pets http://www.celestialpets.comAll Natural Tonkinese Cats and Kittens "Until one has loved an animal, a part of one's soul remains unawakened." - Anatole France |
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Lil Bears Moma
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« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2007, 04:55:50 PM » |
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I have to ask why you would want to grind your meat for your dogs and cats? They have perfectly good teeth made to eat raw meats. Look in the mouths. Those teeth are there to rip and tear meat and then swallow. Edible bones are any non weight bearing bones. You are working way too hard at feeding your pets skynet51. Even cats can rip and tear meat from bones. Cats and dogs have very short intestinal tracts and for that reason the food moves thru very fast when it is meat/organs. When you mix in veggies and grains is when the digestion slows down and there is a possibility of issues from bacteria. And unless you have a cat or dog that is ill for some reason the only suppliment they should get is fish oil or salmon oil caps for the omega's in it. Not cod liver oil tho. It is very hard on their livers. Please go to the link http://www.rawmeatybones.com and read the books. This is not rocket science to feed your pets no matter what the pet food companies and vets who make money selling those products would have you believe. I know people who have fed whole meaty bones/organ diets to their pets for over 20 years. The pets live longer than commercially fed pets and have far less issues with illnesses or allergies. |
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« Reply #5 on: April 22, 2007, 08:39:38 PM » |
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Please Please Please do your research before jumping in head first with a raw diet. There are many different theories/practices that those who feed raw subscribe. There are differing opinions over supplements, ground vs whole prey and different reasons for each. Do your homework, just don't haphazardly throw something in a bowl. Do it because you believe in it and know WHY you are doing it. A good read before starting raw feeding: http://www.caberfeidh.com/NaturalDiet.htmI feed raw. I grind my recipe and use supplements. My cats also get raw chicken necks (supervised) for dental cleaning. I use the recipes here: http://catnutrition.org/ and here: http://catinfo.org/You are responsible for your pet's health, not the pet food manufacturers and not any website or group. Make an educated choice and know WHY you do it. |
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Lil Bears Moma
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« Reply #6 on: April 23, 2007, 05:28:06 AM » |
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Please Please Please do your research before jumping in head first with a raw diet. There are many different theories/practices that those who feed raw subscribe. There are differing opinions over supplements, ground vs whole prey and different reasons for each. Do your homework, just don't haphazardly throw something in a bowl. Do it because you believe in it and know WHY you are doing it. A good read before starting raw feeding: http://www.caberfeidh.com/NaturalDiet.htmI feed raw. I grind my recipe and use supplements. My cats also get raw chicken necks (supervised) for dental cleaning. I use the recipes here: http://catnutrition.org/ and here: http://catinfo.org/You are responsible for your pet's health, not the pet food manufacturers and not any website or group. Make an educated choice and know WHY you do it. Which is exactly WHY I posted all the links to raw feeding facts. IF you go to the cat rawfeeding/yahoo group you can join and click on the files section. There is a whole compilation of meats/organs of various food animals there with a breakdown of what vitamins and minerals/enzymes are present in raw foods. IF you look at those charts that were researched off the USDA website you will see that if you feed a prey diet you do NOT need to buy all those expensive suppliments to feed your pets. All you are doing when you add those supplements is adding possibly more supplements that may not be digestable and possibly over supplementing your pet's diet. I HAVE done my research. I do not rely on just one website as my information. I have listed all the resources in my lists that will answer the questions as to what is needed. Once you join the rawcat feeding group you can access the following link to see that I am not blowing smoke here. http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/wJ8sRtgXX86mYHxbH3Zuny_87WlUNM-ydge6UumUfc54yxWLQFcCJKJh3BiUtk8EZ6dpvoBFsLY6UCRaVMxSPR-WSeSALTnHd1_3cL0uu388YxU/Meats%20Comparative%20Analysis.xlsI do not mean to degrade what you think it the right thing to do. That is not my intention. I am just stating that there is information out there that proves you do not need to add all those supplements to raw food. And you do not need to grind your raw food to make your cats eat them. They have teeth. Let them use them. |
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amy
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« Reply #7 on: April 23, 2007, 05:58:05 AM » |
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thank you ever so much for all these wonderful and helpful replies. i have copied this whole thread and i am going to research all of the links. i will try to educate myself on this. i am in awe at how many helpful people on this forum. we animal lovers sure know how to support each other. i am in tears because i am so grateful. thanks again....
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angeltjd
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« Reply #8 on: April 23, 2007, 08:10:29 AM » |
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All I am saying is there are different methodologies and one should research and decide what works best for them. It was not an attack on your method. I was stating each individual needs to do the research and be comfortable with why they feed raw. It was responding to the OP, you obviously have done the research and are comfortable with your choices.
There are reasons I grind and add supplements. First, whole chickens while close to natural prey and larger than a cats natural prey. I'm not comfortable feeding whole bones even tho chicken bones are soft and flexible, they are still larger than mice and bird bones. I'm not willing to risk eosophogeal perforation because my cat didn't chew well enough.
Even if you're buying a whole chicken carcass, you're still not serving a real WHOLE carcass. The brains and eyes are missing which supplies essential fatty acids. Plus commercially raised meats are simply not as high in many of the nutrients naturally-raised animals that are fed a truly species-appropriate diet. Vitamin E also slows down the oxidation of the meat. Extra taurine is added for what may be lost in the freezing process. I also feed rabbit and rabbit is deficient in taurine so I need to make up for it.
Feeding raw is an attempt to mimick nature. Feeding rodents or small birds that came from their natural environment is by far the best food for our carnivores. Most of us cannot do that and we do the best we can to mimick it in the kitchen. All raw feeders can agree on that. There are differences on opinion on how to get there.
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skynet51
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« Reply #9 on: April 23, 2007, 10:57:26 AM » |
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Everyone has a recipe. There is no-one fix all recipe for your pets. Please do the research and consult with experts. Plenty of people will sell you products.
Although I have been accused at working too hard at feeding my pets, I will continue with the method I have chosen for the care of my animals. 10 generations of cats can't be wrong. I truly believe in Dr. Yarnall's proven methods. It does not matter to me which regime people use to replace the garbage the pet industry has been dispensing over the years as long as they find one that works for them and improves the health of their little fur babies. I only wanted to share the methods I use. Not debate who is right or who is wrong which is what these forums eventually turn in to.
I am glad to see that many people have finally woken up and are now investigating the alternatives to feeding their pets.
Good luck to all of you. My thoughts are with you and your pets.
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LadyWillow
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« Reply #10 on: April 23, 2007, 11:28:12 AM » |
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Hi Lils Bear Momma,
WhooHooo thanks for all the links. And thank you everyone who is posting here to inform people on raw.
I have no problems with the raw food when our new kitten does get here, but my fiance is a little "icky" on it. We will use a top quality canned along with the freeze dry raw of Natural Variety Prairie and hopefully kitty likes it.
But no matter what we will stick with it till it works even it it takes a bit longer. My fiance likes better the freeze dry because it just requires adding some water and it is ready in a few minutes and we can make it as needed. He is not comfortable with raw frozen being defrosted in the fridge and then being kept in the fridge. He is in the natural pharmaceutical industry, so has his own worries about it. But no matter what kitty will get one meal of the freeze dry raw and excellent high quality meat canned food - no grains at all, nor potatoes, starches or garlic or whatever else I cannot think of right now that a cat should not have. I will adjust from there as to how many meals raw and how many canned.
Regards,
Joanne
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Lil Bears Moma
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« Reply #11 on: April 23, 2007, 07:35:57 PM » |
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Joanne, please be very careful of freeze dried meats from companies. Freeze drying meat does not kill off e-coli that can happen before they freeze dry it.
What I do is buy the meat as fresh as I can and bring it home and cut it into meals and then freeze those up in small freezer bags. Then all you have to do is put the baggie into a bowl of warm water for 30 t0 60 mins to thaw out. Cats like their meat sorta warm anyway so it won't hurt it.
I distrust even the commercial raw food. I want to see, smell and feel the meat to make sure it is fresh for my furkids. If there is a smell to it, I throw it out or take it back to the place I bought it. Altho the fresh wild rabbit can't go back but then I know it is fresh.
We also feed venison, moose meat, partridge and whatever other game is in season.
My kitty is gone because I trusted a pet food company. My dog will never eat any commercial pet food and hasn't in over a year. She is healthy and sleek. She is all I need to see to know that it doesn't have to come from some so called expert in nutrition. Meat/edible bones and organs with a few eggs and some organic yogurt for her breakfast is all she needs. She is strong and healthy.
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amy
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« Reply #12 on: April 28, 2007, 03:48:57 PM » |
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you would have laughed to day if you could have seen my peggy sue eating her breakfast. I took a tiny little slice of raw chicken heart, no bigger than 1/4 of my little finger nail and put it in with her FF breakfast. she ate the whole breakfast except that little teeny piece of raw heart. i don't know how she would have known. at lunch, i gave her a little 1/2 spoon of people gravy before her lunch just to see if she would lap it up.....nope! she tried to bury it.....  amy |
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julia
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« Reply #13 on: April 28, 2007, 04:39:32 PM » |
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LOL Amy, you're gonna need a lot of patience with your kitty  |
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amy
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« Reply #14 on: April 28, 2007, 06:11:30 PM » |
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i am julia, miss peggy sue is quite the little stubborn lady and i think she is in her menopause the way she acts.......(grouchy!! .... i don't think there is any pet as stubborn as a cat. i try to laugh and be humorous about it all, but deep down i am worried to death and feel very afraid. every time i put that canned FF down i am afraid i am giving her something very bad for her, but i don't want her to starve and i just don't know what to do.... like you said, just be patient... one thing i am trying is to put my fingers in something and then put them in her mouth, just so she gets the taste, in hopes that she acquires a tast for something. this is easy to do because i fuss a lot with my cat each day, comb her, clean the corners of her eyes, check her ears, massage her a bit and always look at her long fanges and touch them and say "WOW, WHAT BIG TEETH" and she thinks this is just great! she loves me to fuss over her.... so my thing now is to rub something on her teeth.......keeping my fingers crossed. when i rubbed some raw meat taste from my fingers on her teeth, she didn't seem to mind and she washes her face right after, like she always does when she is contented... thanks everyone....ttyl amy |
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