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anabelle_katie
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« on: September 20, 2007, 05:41:32 AM »

Am transitioning kitties to raw (Felines' Pride). I started giving Katie little tiny bits of the raw mixed in her Wellness canned a couple weeks ago. 4 days ago, she started eating some raw on her own ( she surprised me and suddenly decided she liked it), so I gave her about 1/2 oz., 2nd day gave her 3/4 oz., 3rd day, 1 oz. yesterday (4th day) gave her 1 1/2 oz., not all at once, I gave her 3/4 oz in a.m and p.m. (she is still getting Wellness, grain free canned the rest of the time), now she has some diarrhea. My question- should I simply cut back on the raw, or stop it altogether for a few days until it resolves?

Thanks in advance for your help.

Shelly (Katie and Anabelle's human)
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Laurie
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« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2007, 07:15:51 AM »

  Hi Annabelle-Katie,  As a raw feeder to my cat, it is possible that she just needs to be transitioned slower. I would suggest to not feed the two foods separately, always mix together untill she is completely transitioned to the raw. Also adding some digestive enzymes to the food during the transition period may help.
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kaffe
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« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2007, 01:28:27 AM »

In the first few days or even week of raw feeding, most cats who had been on commercial cat food as their only food will exhibit some kind of "crisis" like diarrhea.  Two factors may cause diarrhea or some kind of GI upset initially: (1)  the detoxifying process itself; and (2) the cat's body is not yet "up to speed" as far as producing the right digestive enzymes necessary in digesting a raw diet.  As far as #2 goes, there are some things you can do to help your kitty adjust initially: (1) give digestive enzymes and (2) give probiotics.  I use a human-grade multi-enzyme and plain yogurt (has acidophylus (sp?).  But you can buy these pet digestion aids from pet specialty stores.  If your cat is already accepting raw food by itself, I say keep going. If you don't have digestive enzymes handy, you can use plain yogurt - just 1/2 teapoon or less per raw meal.  After a week or two, the cat's body will have caught up with its digestive enzyme production and the diarrhea would have resolved by itself.  I still add digestive enzymes and yogurt to my cats' raw mix (2 tablets of enzymes pet 2 kilos of raw food and a dab of yogurt in each raw meal.)

BTW, Congratulations for converting your kitty to raw food!  You'll see the benefits in as little as two weeks!  May your kitty live a loooooong and delightful cat-life!
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Susand
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« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2007, 02:20:01 AM »

I would keep increasing the raw as quickly as possible and decreasing the canned. I mixed raw into canned at first (only enough to get them to eat the raw) until the raw became the whole meal with a little canned to keep a familiar flavor. Once they were eating almost zero canned ... I eliminated the canned. I have seen cats with chronic loose stools firm up completely within 2 days on a full raw diet. (by full raw I mean meat-bone-organ only)

Feline Pride has more in it than meat-organ-bone so it might be a combination of things to adjust to besides the raw meat. Things should settle down within the 2 week period but until the dry is worked out of the diet you won't get the full benefit of the raw diet.

I feed Primal Grinds (meat-bone-organ ... no plant matter) To that diet I will give chunks of meats for them to chew on. Primal Grinds are a bit high in bone so the extra meat works great. I but taurine caps and vitamin e and sprinkle a little on the food before serving.


 
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Susand
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« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2007, 02:22:18 AM »

I meant "canned" not "dry" <smile>
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Things should settle down within the 2 week period but until the dry is worked out of the diet you won't get the full benefit of the raw diet.
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anabelle_katie
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« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2007, 07:01:08 PM »

In the first few days or even week of raw feeding, most cats who had been on commercial cat food as their only food will exhibit some kind of "crisis" like diarrhea.  Two factors may cause diarrhea or some kind of GI upset initially: (1)  the detoxifying process itself; and (2) the cat's body is not yet "up to speed" as far as producing the right digestive enzymes necessary in digesting a raw diet.  As far as #2 goes, there are some things you can do to help your kitty adjust initially: (1) give digestive enzymes and (2) give probiotics.  I use a human-grade multi-enzyme and plain yogurt (has acidophylus (sp?).  But you can buy these pet digestion aids from pet specialty stores.  If your cat is already accepting raw food by itself, I say keep going. If you don't have digestive enzymes handy, you can use plain yogurt - just 1/2 teapoon or less per raw meal.  After a week or two, the cat's body will have caught up with its digestive enzyme production and the diarrhea would have resolved by itself.  I still add digestive enzymes and yogurt to my cats' raw mix (2 tablets of enzymes pet 2 kilos of raw food and a dab of yogurt in each raw meal.)

BTW, Congratulations for converting your kitty to raw food!  You'll see the benefits in as little as two weeks!  May your kitty live a loooooong and delightful cat-life!

Kaffe-Thank you very much! Can I ask what kind of digestive enyzmes you use? Or what the proper dosage is?

I want to thank everyone for their responses- I really feel like raw is the way to go and was amazed Katie suddenly took to it after numerous times of her snubbing her nose at it. This is the same girl that was a dry food addict not long ago and it took me 6 very long frustrating weeks to convert her to canned.
Katie seems to be doing okay, I decided to take the transition a little slower and she seems fine. Along the same lines, other kitty, Anabelle is having some problems quite opposite, if any of you very wise folks would like to chime in- Wink
http://itchmoforums.com/miscother-pet-discussions/the-scoop-on-pooptalkin-stool-t1929.0.html;msg26899;topicseen#msg26899

Thanks again, guys. I really appreciate it.
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kaffe
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« Reply #6 on: September 26, 2007, 11:11:41 AM »

Hi Katie!

Its always so good to hear when a kibble addict is transformed into what nature intended: a full-blooded carnivore!  ha ha ha.  OK.  About digestive enzymes:  I use a "bargain-basement" multi-enzyme from Puritan's Pride.  I say "bargain basement" becuase I got it on a  "Buy One, take Three" special on line.  The dosage for humans is 2 tablets before a meal, so, if we take that down to kittysize, it will be about 1/4 - 1/3 a tablet per meal.  These days, I just chuck 2 to 3 tablets of multi-enzyme in every 2 kilo batch of raw food I make.  That will be 1 - 1 and 1/2 tab per kilo.  This has made things a lot simpler for me. Almost all the supplements I use from Puritan's Pride ad they are all human-grade.  So I the cats and I sharethe same vitamins and supplements!!!  I've encountered no problems so far in the 45 months I had been using these things.  Just one thing I think I need to tell you: some cats get constipated on ground raw food with the bones like Feline's Pride.  If this happens to your kitty, mix some grated lightly cooked veggies in the food (I use squash or pumpkin, carrots, broccolli, zucinni - usually a combination of three, but I alwasy include squash or pumpkin).  You can adjust the amount depending on how your kitty's poop looks like.  My older cat tends to get constipated if I don't add the veggies, but no diarrhea.  I am also phasing out the yogurt in favor of kitty probiotics becuase my cat seems to react to the cassein in milk produts.  Good luck!
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