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Author Topic: Mold on Beechnut stage 1 beef and beef broth  (Read 6337 times)
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« on: June 19, 2010, 08:15:31 PM »

I am making dog & cat food tonight & decided to use some babyfood I had purchased for bones. Its too hot to bake right now so I was mixing the vitamins & minerals with it. Opened 4 jars of turkey & 1 beef with no problems, but 1 jar of beef had white spots inside that I could see up against the glass. I opened it & its all over the top also. They are closed until Monday at 8am, so I emailed them. Just wanted to warn everyone who might also be using it to check carefully & also to warn anyone with babies. The UPC is 527972 & the code is 0114 JUL 2012 , C5797B0933 . Got to go finish the food & get it in the fridge & freezer, please check any Beechnut you may have.
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« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2010, 11:51:56 PM »

Thx for the heads up leslie. I use the turkey & broth for Foxy Lady now and then as a treat. Lately I've been putting them directly in the frig instead of the cabinet because I was afraid of mold forming with the jars sitting in the cabinet. Will be nice to see what response you receive from your email.
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« Reply #2 on: June 21, 2010, 05:14:55 PM »

Well I got an email reply & got through by phone. They think its fat, it doesn't feel greasy, but apparently it can feel gelatinous [which it does]. There are also dark areas visible through the bottom of the jar as if it separated. They are sending a pkg for it & will let me know results. I requested they not dispose of the sample until they find out what it is. Do you think I should try keeping some ? Problem is they are only 2.5 oz jars, I don't know how much would be needed for testing. I will update when I have results.
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« Reply #3 on: June 21, 2010, 08:07:40 PM »

Keeping some as in an unopened jar that you're questioning? Or the jar you opened that you found the white spots in? Did they ask you for 'all' the jars you had? If not then I'd keep one til the results are complete from the testing.

Anyway, if this is baby food - why would globs of fat be in it to begin with? Wee ones are not on solid food yet so would not fat globs give them the runs or make for stomach upsets? Just asking....
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« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2010, 05:55:06 AM »

I only have the opened jar. I used the others as they looked fine and were different codes & dates. I agree it shouldn't be separated or have globs of fat for infants. I have no reason to think they won't test it & give me results. I just get nervous depending on a company for answers. I did save the other lids for the info on them.
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« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2010, 07:20:05 AM »

I use the strained Chicken and chicken broth, Stage 1 Beechnut as the ultimate appetite tempter with my two crf kids, plus taurine & potassium. My current lot has an expiration of
October 2012. I have noticed a grayish caste of late, especially when opening jars on top, no white spots visible next to glass. But both cats eat it enthusiastically when all else fails or love a dollup on top of other foods.

Please let us know, leslie, what Beechnut says, and thanks. Oh, man ... infant food?
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« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2010, 11:12:33 PM »

3cats at times I did see a grayish caste too. Maybe when the food is spun into the jars it is coming from two different spigots (so to say) and makes more a swirl instead of mixing together?
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« Reply #7 on: July 15, 2010, 05:27:58 PM »

I got the results yesterday, but forgot to ask if I could post the email. Had to wait for an answer & was out on the great pumpkin hunt today. The lab results verify the white was from fat separation in the product. The darkness on the cap & at the bottom is called bake on & occurs because the food is cooked in the jar & expands during cooking.Sometimes the food in the jar cools faster than any on the lid, its harmless just dried food from cooking more from residual heat on the lid. Here is the statement they wanted me to post;
 It would be inaccurate to post the exact lab results as it would not apply to every jar of meat. Some meats may simply have fat separation, whereas others could have fat separation in addition to the bake on. The following statement would be more general.
 Because Beech-Nut uses absolutely nothing artificial in the production of Beech-Nut meats, it is possible to sometimes see a discoloration on the top of the meats. The discoloration can appear as a green or gray cast. This occurs when the natural hemoglobin in the meats reacts to the oxygen-free airspace in the jar. If the button was down & you heard a loud pop when opening the jar & your use by date is up to date, your product was still vacuum sealed, commercially sterile & safe to use.
 Adding preservatives could avoid this discoloration: however , Beech-Nut meats are simply meat & the water the meat was cooked in [broth]. Other manufacturers may use cornstarch, onion powder or lemon juice in their canning procedure. Those extra ingredients do preserve the color of their meat, but they are food additives which Beech-Nut chooses not to use.
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« Reply #8 on: July 15, 2010, 05:37:53 PM »

Having trouble with the post, so continued here,
 The white substance you may witness on the surface of the meat is merely the natural fats from the meat rising to the surface of the meat that has been cooked & cooled. Sometimes this can even take on a slimy or gelatinous texture. Once again, if the safety features are intact, the product is sealed & safe to use.
 Bake on can occur in the caps because the product is cooked in the jar & expands during the cooking process. Since the food in the jarcools faster than the metal lid, any residue of product will continue to cook [bake] onto the underside of the lid. It is not harmful, merely dried food.
 Also, meat products have a different smell, and texture, than vegetables & fruits; they are unseasoned meats and are denser by nature. These are fully cooked meats that have gone through a canning process, they are canned meats not fresh meats. Our cooking process & a secure vacuum seal assure you that your product is safe & fresh.
 Thank you for your confidence in Beech-Nut,
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« Reply #9 on: July 15, 2010, 07:41:19 PM »

Thanks, Leslie, for persisting and digging in to get this info. Explains the caste I sometimes
see. Both my kidney failure girls are still really lapping this up, even with taurine and potassium added.
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« Reply #10 on: July 15, 2010, 11:04:38 PM »

leslie appreciate your updating us with the results.
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« Reply #11 on: July 16, 2010, 05:26:17 AM »

I really like the fact that CS was so helpful at Beech-Nut. The 2 people I spoke to & the emails from 1 of them were very explanatory, especially about the color differences. I would prefer a slight color change over additives any day. Even if it had been a problem with the food, I felt they cared & wanted to be sure. Still keeping it in house here for any time there are problems with appetite & serving it to Russ. I also use it for home baked dog & cat treats, when the weather isn't as bad as it is right now too.
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« Reply #12 on: September 09, 2010, 08:59:08 PM »

Hello everyone.  I have been reading the post on Beech Nut baby food and have a question for all of you?  Currently my cats eat dry and canned food.  The majority of their diet is dry, but I like to make sure they are getting enough meat....so they do get canned Ziwipeak daily.  Now that being said, I have had issues lately getting this food in.  The reason I use this food is the fact it is all meat and organs....things that cats would eat in the wild.  Since they do eat dry....can I use baby food in place of the canned cat food?  They would still be getting all their supplements in the dry....I use Orijen and Horizon Legacy.  I'm just not keen on "raw" feeding.....so my next option would be to cook up some chicken, but I thought why not try baby food.

Thanks for any help and replies.
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« Reply #13 on: September 09, 2010, 09:35:24 PM »

I don't think it would be good to use baby food on a regular basis instead of a wet cat food. Even though your cats are getting some supplements in the dry food, it does not mean that they are getting ALL of the amount of the supplement they need daily if part of their diet is not supplemented, which would be the case with the baby food.  I'm not even sure that it would be okay for daily use even if you added some supplements to it.  It is very high protein (60%) and very low fat (1.5 grams) for chicken.  I think cats need a little lower protein than that and higher fat.  The sodium, potassium, iron, and calcium may also not be ideal for cats.  I think it is fine for enticing a sick cat to eat, but wouldn't use it every day.  I really don't know how it compares to homecooked chicken, so I hope the homecookers here can weigh in and give you their opinions.  This is just my personal opinion on it, and I could be totally wrong.
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« Reply #14 on: September 10, 2010, 12:59:04 AM »

Chef G, I have to agree with Mandycat. Most cat foods seem to be in the area of 20 to 30 percent protein, 30 percent fats, 70 to 80 percent moisture - just roughly. To use it, my vet made me swear never to give it without taurine and potassium supplementation. And I did not use it every day either.
You'd also need to add calcium, multivitamin/multimineral supplement, vitamin D, taurine, vitamin K, choline, salt, and zinc in certain proportions. So I'd get a good homemade pet food recipe rather than Beechnut I think for a regular pet food.



 
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