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« on: April 17, 2009, 07:05:19 PM »

I bought Jennie O ground turkey that has "natural flavors"...any thoughts on if that is ok for kitties to eat? I can call them on Monday. The Foster Farms said it had "spices" so I thought natural flavors might be better.
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« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2009, 07:26:22 PM »

Mickey, I would advise against something that said "natural flavors."  That could include a lot of stuff you wouldn't want to give your kitty on a regular basis.  JJ has some very enlightening posts here on the forum about "natural flavors."  Also, I don't know about the ground, but the Jennie-O "parts" are filled with a brine solution that would not be good for cats.

To use ground turkey for cat food, I buy all-natural whole turkeys with absolutely no additives, roast them, and then remove the meat and freeze it.  But I am making a cooked diet, not raw.
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« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2009, 07:45:54 PM »

Could I buy turkey legs (it said dark meat was better because of the fat), cook them, pick them apart and then add the mix?

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« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2009, 07:50:27 PM »

I would think that would work. 

But please check the labels closely and make sure the turkey legs don't have added "natural flavors" or "salt solution" or anything like that.  Additive-free turkey parts can be hard to find, at least where I live; I always have to get organic brands to avoid the additives.
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« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2009, 08:09:32 PM »

That happened to me with some store-baked turkey my cats loved.  They told me it was cooked in a brine, so I could no longer buy it for my kitties.   Undecided  They couldn't clarify for me exactly what this "brine" consisted of.
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« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2009, 08:26:14 PM »

I think our Sunday Farmers Market sells this kind of food from local meat companies. I'll have to check it out.
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« Reply #6 on: April 18, 2009, 09:45:45 AM »

This whole turkey preservatives thing is news to me. What do you mean turkey parts are in a brine? Don't you guys just go and buy a frozen or fresh turkey and cook it? The only thing done to turkeys up here is maybe have their guts removed so they can sell them for commercial pet food and the store I buy from does their own gutting so I can buy the hearts, necks, livers, etc.

Can you explain the type of turkey you're speaking of?
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« Reply #7 on: April 18, 2009, 11:08:56 AM »

I'm also going to check out Trader Joe's meat section. Would the turkey/chicken be labeled as using brine?
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« Reply #8 on: April 18, 2009, 11:33:48 AM »

Most of the commercial packaged fresh or frozen turkey parts (and the majority of whole turkeys as well) that are sold in supermarkets have been soaked in or mixed with a brine solution to keep them moist, and may have other additives as well, including but not limited to MSG, injected fats, and flavorings.  This is often revealed only by reading the fine print, and reading all over the package.  Sometimes the information is hidden in small print on the back!  The brand that mickey mentioned is one that I am familiar with, and it all contains the brine solution.  Believe me, I have checked.

The amount of salt in these turkey parts is not healthy for humans, let alone cats.  Turkey is often promoted as a "healthy" meat by the processors, but the lower-fat benefits are ruined by the extremely high added sodium content in most cases.

If you read the whole package carefully, you will be able to find which turkey has additives and which does not.  The brine solution may be referred to as "moisture-retaining solution" or some such.  Trader Joe's may be a good bet to find some without any additives, but do check closely.  Don't be fooled by the term "minimally processed", either.  Sometimes even those contain the solutions, I have found.  As with any food, it pays to study the label.
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« Reply #9 on: April 18, 2009, 12:31:02 PM »

Wow, I didn't know that. I actually get my turkeys from a butcher. They're organic and free range and don't come in a bag like the ones at the store do, but I'll have to check those as well and pass on that info to others if that's the case.
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« Reply #10 on: April 18, 2009, 12:48:53 PM »

Since most of this thread has turned out to be a discussion of turkey, I am going to re-title it as such, and re-start mickey's thread with the question about Wild Kitty as a separate thread.
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« Reply #11 on: April 18, 2009, 01:04:01 PM »

Thank you catbird for that information.
I am so glad I left the grocery store route for my turkeys.

I order from these folks
http://www.goodearthfarms.com/
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« Reply #12 on: April 20, 2009, 11:59:21 AM »

I hope I can return the ground turkey, as I don't eat turkey.

Makes you wonder what's in the turkey that the PFC put in food. Even if we feed the most expensive canned food, I find it hard to believe they use organic turkey and chicken, and no brine, etc.

I'll try Trader Joe's, but there's probably something other than just meat...they need to add something to keep it on the shelves, no?



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« Reply #13 on: May 30, 2009, 02:27:31 PM »

Serious question from a frustrated pet food consumer.

Which is worse- feeding ground turkey that has additives (some more than others) or canned food? I would assume the makers of the canned food use turkey that is even worse than what I would buy in a grocery store!

Or maybe not. Maybe they get the animal before it needs to be preserved. This is something I would like to know.

Of course, if I had the money, I would get the best organic turkey that I could. But I'm having to weigh cost, gross-out factor (I do not touch raw animal parts), and trusting PFC.

I'm frustrated with the Nutro situation. I don't use them, but now I'm having to find if my wet food maker uses the same supplier (and of course, they do). Back to researching food, again.

I might just cook up some chicken, add the Wild Kitty mix and be done with it. I am really annoyed with these companies.

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« Reply #14 on: May 30, 2009, 04:48:12 PM »

mickey,
     I'm not sure if anything I say will make you feel more reassured, but if your kitties are liking the wet food you are feeding them, I would say just continue feeding that food and don't worry about who supplied the pre-mix. The pre-mixes in question were custom mixes for Nutro.  Making the same mistake for another custom mix is highly unlikely.  In fact, there is about the same chance of that happening as there has always been in the past.  I don't think we can totally paralyze ourselves with fear.  The potential for errors exists for every product, every day, for both human and pet foods.   
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