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« Reply #90 on: June 02, 2008, 05:30:38 PM » |
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I just printed out a list of potassium rich foods for 2 friends having electrolyte problems. Here's the address [some are not ok for cats & dogs] http://www.algaecal.com/potassium-foods.html . |
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« Reply #91 on: June 02, 2008, 06:39:58 PM » |
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Yes, bananas are a good potassium food (I know because I've been instructed to eat at least one every day by my doctor, to get the potassium.)
I have, however, never met a cat who would touch bananas.
Ay-yay-yay... and here I was trying to persuade Kaffe and Cato to share my banana  Only kidding  I don know that cats don't like bananas in general... there might be an odd-ball kitty out there... ya never know I rely on a bit of yam, a bit of squash or pumpkin or a bit of potato to add some potassium to the cats' food... problem is, cats don't digest veggies as easily as dogs and humans could... so, they get some nutrients from plants, but not enough I suspect... but judging by the volume of Kaffe and Cato's poopies... they seem to be able to digest and absorb most of the yam, squash and potato  |
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« Reply #92 on: June 02, 2008, 06:46:23 PM » |
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What is it about potatoes, yams(?), squash(?) that you have to watch out for? I guess I'm asking
what are the potato toxins I've heard mentioned in other threads?
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« Reply #93 on: June 02, 2008, 07:00:10 PM » |
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It's the potatoes that can cause trouble. If the skin or flesh is green at all, don't use them, or cut the green off. The green parts are full of that solanine (?) toxin. It didn't really surprise me to hear those dry foods were high in solanine. I imagine the potatoes used in dry pet foods are probably not the highest quality, like in peelings waste from the mega processing of potatoes in this country for all those french fries, hash browns & tater tots.
Yams & squash don't have this problem (not in the same plant family as taters), but Klondike started a thread recently about the dangers of moldy yams/sweet potatoes. They can be quite toxic to cattle eating a bunch of them. I don't know how this translates to people or pets. I've never heard anything bad about squash.
All the cats love the chicken version of the T&T recipe!! Thanks again kaffe!! I finally mixed all ingredients together yesterday. Looks & smells like chicken salad. I upped the peas & cut back slightly on rice. I added the supplements to water then to the food to make sure they got mixed in thoroughly. Those B vitamins are really ORANGE, like they have food dye in them - yuck!!
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« Reply #94 on: June 02, 2008, 07:17:41 PM » |
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Glad to hear that, Petslave! I made a "Kaffe-Version" of the Hill's home-made CRF diet - you know - the one with the liver and rice and egg whites? Only mine is almost double the protein and phosphorus level becuase I simply will not use that much rice in a recipe! Anyway, Well --- whaddayaknow! The cats snarfed that down like it was... well... FF commercial petfood? ha ha ha ha ha... Petslave, ALL B-complex vitamins - tabs, caps, liquid - are always yellow! Never found one that wasn't some yellow-mustard color. Don't know why and I do not think it is an unnatural dye... I'm no chemist afterall... but if you take B-Complex and pee an hour later, your pee will be bright yellow The most anoying thing I found with mixing too much B-Complex in cat food mix is that it makes the food a yukky mustard color - but the cats don't seem to mind at all... |
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« Reply #95 on: June 02, 2008, 07:35:41 PM » |
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Maybe that was why this batch was yellow-green - between the peas & the B vits, it looked a little fluorescent. That's good to know it's that way with all brands. Excess vit C also makes pretty toilet water  I want to try the Hills diet next, but I would like to use more meat & less liver. Not sure what that will change, but I'll try to run it through one of the nutrition counters. Someone posted a link to a website that had that recipe listed, and it did say to add other supplements (must be why I thought it looked so easy): "Also add a balanced supplement which fulfills the feline MDR for all vitamins and trace minerals, and 250 mg taurine/day" |
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« Reply #96 on: June 02, 2008, 10:13:46 PM » |
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Yes, bananas are a good potassium food (I know because I've been instructed to eat at least one every day by my doctor, to get the potassium.)
I have, however, never met a cat who would touch bananas.
Ay-yay-yay... and here I was trying to persuade Kaffe and Cato to share my banana Only kidding I don know that cats don't like bananas in general... there might be an odd-ball kitty out there... ya never know Let me introduce Fizzy, the odd-ball kitty who Loves bananas!! She could be in a different room, but if I peel a banana she magically appears  Of course, I always share. She also loves pears and oranges. That's really odd because citrus smells are suppose to be a turn off for cats.  |
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« Reply #97 on: June 03, 2008, 05:55:05 AM » |
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Wow, Fizzy is indeed very unusual! All the cats I have ever had seem to consider my eating an orange a crime on the level of trimming their nails or giving them a pill. They won't come near me if they smell it. You have got a unique one there, Fizzy1. BTW oranges are a good potassium source too. At least you know that Fizzy will never lack for potassium! |
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« Reply #98 on: June 03, 2008, 05:22:26 PM » |
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After 2 days on part home cooked meals, everyone is constipated. They all seem very bright & happy, so I'm not going to worry about it now. I'll put some pumpkin in their food plates when they get done eating to see if that helps.
(Although it's kind of nice not to have much to scoop!)
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« Reply #99 on: June 03, 2008, 06:45:42 PM » |
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They do seem to go a lot less without all the added fillers. You can mix the pumpkin right into the food if they won't eat it alone.
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« Reply #100 on: June 03, 2008, 06:53:34 PM » |
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They all slurped up the pumpkin greedily, like they knew they needed it.
Except Tessa, who looked up at me with disdain & said "you've got to be kidding, I'm a C-A-T, crazy lady"
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« Reply #101 on: June 03, 2008, 07:17:49 PM » |
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Seems to be a common experience - constipated kitties who've been newley transitioned from commercial to home cooked or home raw... I now always add some kind of fiber to my cats' food as a matter of course... finely grated raw organic baby carrots also helps the GI motility and gets sweeps away nasty hairballs ... but the all-time favorite is pumpkin or squash of course. Mine won't eat pumpkin or squash on their own either.
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« Reply #102 on: June 03, 2008, 07:35:28 PM » |
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OK. I experimented with the home made Hill's KD recipe --- made a few modifications (of course)... and... my cats thought the thing was FF or something becuase they sure lapped their plates clean! Becuase it is liver, I think we should not be feeding this like everyday... maybe twice a week at most... so, let's call this recipe :
Twice-Weekly-Liver-Fix
200grams Chicken Liver. cooked
100 grams Brown rice, boiled
50 grams Boiled yam
50 grams Grated raw carrot
5 lrg Cooked Egg whites
½ teaspoon heaped Eggshell powder
1000-1500mg Taurine
20 drops Milkthisle and Dandelion (Animal Apawthecary)
1-2 tabs B-50 Complex
2000mg Salmon Oil
200IU Vit E (natural vitamin E - d-alpha)
Water for processing
Method:
1. Cook liver in 1 cup or so water, allow to simmer gently for 15mins. Save the broth and use some of it when processing everything in the blender - adds more flavor to the mix.
2. Separate egg whites from egg yolk and cook the eggwhites in 1/2 cup water, low heat, stirring constantly until the mix is all white.
3. Over-cook the brown rice by boiling in enough water (you''ll need to replenish a few times) for about an hour.
4. Boil and mash the yam; grate the carrot and leave that raw
5. Combine all ingredients in a blender and process until smooth.
Calories: 588
Protein: 70.19g
Fat: 12.05g
Carb: 45.32g
Fiber: 5.25g
Ash: 4.3g
Total: 137.11g x 1000 = 137110mg
Phosphorus: 775.21mg / 137110mg x 100% = 0.565%
Protein: 70.19 / 137.11 x 100 = 51.19%
Fat: 12.05 / 137.11 x 100 = 8.7%
Carb: 45.32 / 137.11 x 100 = 33.05%
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« Reply #103 on: June 03, 2008, 07:40:12 PM » |
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Kaffe, that's exactly what Ellie's nutritionist said. The liver version should be fed no more than twice a week. Ellie really loves it with chicken thighs.
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« Reply #104 on: June 03, 2008, 08:16:20 PM » |
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Kaffe, that's exactly what Ellie's nutritionist said. The liver version should be fed no more than twice a week. Ellie really loves it with chicken thighs.
Thanks, Arlo! Glad to know that my feeding instincts are wholesome!!! ha ha ha ha ---- really, I'm tickled pink |
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