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« on: May 08, 2008, 01:22:36 PM » |
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Meowmie is compiling various home-made recipes for Chronic Renal Failure or Chronic Renal Insufficiency kitties and calculating their phosphorus and protein content. The nutrition data and tool used for all the calculation is the USDA Nutritional Data Tool. http://www.nat.uiuc.edu/mainnat.htmlAlthough the nutrient profiles for foods in the USDA data base are "averages" and should not be taken as the exact representation of one particular food or recipe, it does give us a fair idea of what is in the food and allows us to cmpare "apples with apples" so to speak. Let's start with one of Hill's home-made version of thie K/D diet: Hill’s Homemade (liver and egg) K/D454g (1lb) Chicken Liver (you can use beef or pork liver) 2 Cups Boiled white rice 2 Lrg Hard boiled eggs, finely chopped 1 Tbsp Vegetable Oil 1 tsp Calcium carbonate or ground eggshell 1/8 tsp Salt substitute (potassium chloride) Water for processing Calories – 1427.15 Add: Protein – 131.73g Fat – 53.35g Carb – 94.49g Fiber – 1.26g Ash – 7.27g Total: 288.1g x 1000 = 288,100 Phosphorus: 1730.84mg / 288,100mg = 0.006007 x 100% = 0.6007%Protein: 131.73 / 288.1g x 100 = 45.72%Both the phosphorus and protein load are acceptable, but Vit A and D load may be too high becuase of the amount of liver used in this recipe. Vitamin A alone is a whopping 75,130.94 IU !!! (RDA is 2272 IU/lb DM).
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« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2008, 01:37:34 PM » |
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Let's look at one of Strombeck's renal recipes:
Dr. Strombeck's Chicken and Rice Diet (low-protein, low-phosphorus, normal potassium, normal sodium diet providing 46.4 grams protein/1000 kilocalories) 1/4 cup cooked chicken breast 1/2 ounce clams, canned, chopped in juice 1 cup rice, long-grain, cooked 1 Tablespoon chicken fat 1/8 teaspoon salt substitute-potassium chloride 1 calcium carbonate tablet (400 milligrams calcium) 1/4 multiple vitamin-mineral tablet [author recommends a supplement prepared for humans with allergies; without vitamins A or D] 1/10 B-complex vitamin-trace mineral tablet
Calories: 406.59 Add: Protein – 20.77g Fat – 14.95g Carb – 44.57g Fiber – 0.63g Ash – 1.4g Total: 82.32g x 1000 = 82,320mg Phosphorus: 177.66mg / 82,320mg = 0.002158 x 100% = 0.2158% Protein: 20.77 / 82.32 x 100 = 25.23%
This recipe may be very helpful for a kitty in advanced renal insufficiency, but for a cat that is still in the early stages of CRF/CRI, I fear this recipe may do more harm than good. The phosphorus level is very attractive, but the low low protein content is definitely NOT. The idea behind low-protein diets for CRF/CRI cats is to lessen or lower the amount of protein metabolic wastes in the blood (BUN and Creatinine). But lowering the protein intake of a strict carnivore is a two-edged sword... the diet may help the kidneys... but acat is more than a pair of kidneys... they need protein to repair body tissues and organs and muscles... etc... So, personally, (and this is just me), I would not feed such a restricted protein diet to a CRF cat unless we are looking at Stage IV CRF.
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« Reply #2 on: May 08, 2008, 01:46:17 PM » |
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I like Dr. Pitcairn's renal recipe a little better than Strombeck's - it is a little higher in protein content and the phosphorus load is still very attractive.
Dr. Pitcairn's Feline Diet for Kidney Problems 1 1/3 cups (2/3 pound) ground chicken, turkey or lean heart 4 cups cooked white rice 4 eggs 2 tablespoons cold-pressed safflower, soy or corn oil 1,500 milligrams calcium (around 1.3:1) 1/8 teaspoon iodized salt 1/8 teaspoon potassium chloride (optional , for a saltier flavor) 1 teaspoon parsley, finely grated carrot or other vegetable (optional) 5,000 IU vitamin A Taurine and other cat vitamins (about 5 days' worth) 50 milligram level B complex (or 10 milligrams per day) 2,500 milligrams vitamin C (½ teaspoon sodium ascorbate) Mix everything together in a large bowl. Serve raw if the cat will accept it. Otherwise, mix all but the vitamins together, bake about 20 minutes in a moderate oven and then wait until it cools to mix in the vitamins. Occasionally, substitute 1 to 3 teaspoons of liver for part of the meat.
Calories: 2167 Protein: 135g Fat: 76.23g Carb: 220.31g Fiber: 2.53g Ash: 7.41g Total: 441.48 x 1000 = 441,480mg Phosphorus: 1248.38 / 441,480 = 0.002827 x 100 = 0.2827% Protein: 135 / 441.48 x 100 = 30.578%
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« Reply #3 on: May 08, 2008, 04:14:31 PM » |
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Wonderful analysis, kaffe! Thanks so much!
I too wondered about the Strombeck recipe back when my Tessa was diagnosed last year - 1/4 cup chicken to 1 cup rice??!!
A supplement question - will pumpkin work for the Vit A requirements? I was reading the can the other night & it said 1/4 cup for a person was 70% daily reqmt for vit A. Seems like that would give cats enough vit A without added supplements.
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« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2008, 04:24:57 PM » |
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This is a recipe I made for darling Elvis - the KING of JustMe's household, who, BTW, is NOT exactly a kidney cat... he just commissioned Kaffe Kooks to run a recipe for his Majesticness - just in case (kings... tou know?) Elvis the King's Renal Recipe450g Ground turkey 50g Ground chicken liver 100g Cooked and mashed or pureed mixed vegetables: a. 50g squash for GI health b. 20g kale – source of iron, good for kidney kitties who tend to anemia c. 30g yam – great source of potassium – good for kidney kitties who tend to hypokalemia 100g Uncooked white or brown rice 1 tsp Ground eggshell powder (1.6 : 1) 1000mg Taurine (important for heart function) 2000mg Salmon Oil (important for good kidney function) 200IU Vit. E (important antioxidant and should be used with any fish body oil) 2 tabs B-50 Vitamin B-Complex (important bec kidney kitties pee a lot and B- vitamins get washed out in the urine) 1/8 tsp Potassium Chloride (salt substitute) or iodized salt or Dulse [edit: there is some question as to the suitability of potassium chloride in a kidney cat's diet - may contribute to metabolic acidosis to which kidney cats are prone]Calories: 1552.2 Protein: 143.18g Fat: 62.81g Carbs: 93.45g Fiber: 4.37g Ash: 7.19g Total: 311g x 1000 = 311,000 Phosphorus: 1166. 8mg / 311,000 x 100% = 0.3751%Protein: 143.18 / 311 x 100% = 46.038%Method: 1. Cook ground turkey and liver in a little bit of water... do not brown 2. Cook the vegetables in water and mash them together 3. Over-boil the rice (around 30mins) 4. Combine all ingredients and run them through blender with enough water for processing I think these are great ratios... I only hope King Elvis will approve and eat the dang thing!
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« Reply #5 on: May 08, 2008, 04:29:03 PM » |
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I can't wait for that cookbook to get published  . It will get a blue ribbon, for sure. 5CatMom =^..^ =
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« Reply #6 on: May 08, 2008, 04:38:16 PM » |
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Wonderful analysis, kaffe! Thanks so much!
I too wondered about the Strombeck recipe back when my Tessa was diagnosed last year - 1/4 cup chicken to 1 cup rice??!!
A supplement question - will pumpkin work for the Vit A requirements? I was reading the can the other night & it said 1/4 cup for a person was 70% daily reqmt for vit A. Seems like that would give cats enough vit A without added supplements.
Thanks, Petslave... just thought a lot of us will be needing something like this. About pumpkin... (canned)... the Vit A in pumpkin are alpha and beta carotenes... cats have a limited ability to metabolize these ... they need pre-ormed Vit A which can only be obtained from the flesh of their prey... that's why we need to include liver in their diet... I found though that in senior cats, they don't need as much vit A as would a kitten and youn adult and skipping liver from several meals for them may actually be beneficial. I've PM'd you, Petslave.. check your box
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« Reply #7 on: May 08, 2008, 06:25:48 PM » |
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Tessa (in front) & her bro, Tony, are eagerly waiting for the grainless version!
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« Reply #8 on: May 08, 2008, 06:42:01 PM » |
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I can't wait for that cookbook to get published  . It will get a blue ribbon, for sure. 5CatMom =^..^ =  thanks 5CatMom!
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« Reply #9 on: May 08, 2008, 06:45:41 PM » |
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This is a recipe I made for darling Elvis - the KING of JustMe's household, who, BTW, is NOT exactly a kidney cat... he just commissioned Kaffe Kooks to run a recipe for his Majesticness - just in case (kings... tou know?)
Elvis the King's Renal Recipe
The King is drooling. Thank you very much, Kaffe.  You're awesome. Words cannot express my gratitude.
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« Reply #10 on: May 08, 2008, 08:01:04 PM » |
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This is a grainless renal recipe for Petslave's kitties, Tessa and Tony: Tessa and Tony's Grainless Renal Recipe450g Ground lean top sirloin beef OR ground chicken thighs 50 g Beef liver OR chicken liver (if using chicken thigh) 100g Mashed potato (prepared from dehydrated flakes, w/o milk or butter added) 100g Green Peas (you can use frozen) 50g Carrot, cooked, grated OR kale 50g Pumpkin, canned 1 tsp Ground Eggshell (or 1800mg elemental calcium carbonate) 1/8 tsp Potassium Chloride (salt substitute) or iodized salt or Dulse [edit: there is some question as to the suitability of potassium chloride in a kidney cat's diet - may contribute to metabolic acidosis to which kidney cats are prone]1000mg Taurine 1000mg Salmon Oil 200IU Vit E 2 caps B-50 Vit B Complex 2/3 - 1 C Spring or distilled Water Method: 1. Cook all meats and veggies. 2. Combine all ingredients and run through a blender or food processor with sufficient water for processing Calories: 1710Protein: 141.4g Fat: 76.65 Carb: 107.8 Fiber: 15.45 Ash: 10.35 Total: 351.65g x 1000 = 351,650mg Phosphorus: 1230mg / 351,650 x 100% = 0.3497%Protein: 141.4 / 351.56 x 100% = 40.21%Fat: 76.65 / 351.65 x 100% = 21.797% Carb: 107.8 / 351.65 x 100% = 30.655% Fiber: 15.45 / 351.65 x 100% = 2.943% ** Since we are using mashed potatos (rich source of potassium), the recipe is a little high on carbs. One can lower the carb load by lessening the amount of mashed potato and substituting the removed amount with equal amount of the other veggies. For example, if youtake away 50 grams of mashed potato, put in 50 grams of peas or carrot or pumpkin or spread the50grams among all three.
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« Reply #11 on: May 08, 2008, 08:12:45 PM » |
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Thank you, sweet Kaffe. On the Strombeck recipe, you can up the chicken breast to about a third of a cup, about 6 ounces, and cut the rice down a little, just a smidge (1/4 to 1/2 cup), as Rachel Ray would say. Just for variety and to reduce some of the low protein problems from batch to batch, week to week. Crf kitties are just as parsnickety as all the other felines. Then you serve and cross your fingers. You may want to consider potassium gluconate powder, rather than chloride, if there are blood pressure issues. There's also calcium carbonate powder instead of the tablet. Home eggshells baked at 350 for 10 minutes and processed in a coffee grinder are the best. Of course don't forget to add your phosphorous blockers, Epakitin or aluminum hydroxide gel powder. Alternagel about 30 minutes before eating if you're using it. Consult your vet, and bloodwork often, unfortunately. There are some B vitamins that are liquid that you might want to investigate. Organic rice. Fresh clams, too, lightly processed in water to minimize Taurine destruction. Puree in a food processor, and add as much water as you can for your more advanced kidney kitties. Also fun to watch your vet tear their hair out as you're discussing modifications based on bloodwork, but if you have a good one, they will these days.
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« Reply #12 on: May 08, 2008, 08:27:33 PM » |
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Thank you, sweet Kaffe. On the Strombeck recipe, you can up the chicken breast to about a third of a cup, about 6 ounces, and cut the rice down a little, just a smidge, as Rachel Ray would say. Just for variety and to reduce some of the low protein problems from batch to batch, week to week. Crf kitties are just as parsnickety as all the other felines. Then you serve and cross your fingers. Of course don't forget to add your phosphorous blockers.
Yes- That will help, 3Cat! adding a bit more chicken or reducing the rice a bit in the Strombeck recipe is very workable... thanks for giving us the tip. I have heard of the extreme finickiness of CRI/CRF kitties when it comes to food... no wonder many have resorted to feeding FF and just add binders... in this case, I must agree with everyone that getting Fluffy to eat overrides everything else... the best and most healthy food is absolutely useless if Fluffy won't eat it!  I really really MUST work on some kind of kitty-flavor enhancer! I should've taken a few more courses in chemistry! ha ha ha ha
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« Reply #13 on: May 08, 2008, 08:42:41 PM » |
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Kaffe- We really need to start a cookbook fund. It would be great to have all of yours & all the treat recipes everyone has done in 1 place !
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« Reply #14 on: May 08, 2008, 08:43:16 PM » |
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Been tinkering with that recipe for a while, Kaffe, that's all. All the recipes sound great and better than most of the chemically loaded commercial ones. Had some rough results with six months on a prescription diet at my house. But always consult your vet and watch crf behavior for signs.
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