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August
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« on: May 05, 2012, 11:06:24 PM »

I went to the nearby store and was disheartened to find they sold liver but no heart.    Wink  (where's the 3 Stooges icon?)

So I was thrilled to find both being sold at the other market!  Sold as a set!  Attached to each other.   Tongue


Here was my recipe:

250 gr ground beef
250 gr ground chicken or pork
25 gr   chicken hearts
25 gr   chicken or beef liver

one egg yolk
25 gr canned pumpkin

1.  Cook ground meats with about a tablespoon of olive oil   
2.  Cook organs - cook medium rare
3.  Put into Cuisinart with cold water and blend until fairly smooth (it was weird to take out the Cuisinart but I'm glad I did and am over that hurdle)
4.  Beat the egg yolk by hand, add the pumpkin and mix well by hand, then, add it by hand to the cooled off meat mixture


They had some kind of beef and pork ground mixture, so I decided to try that.  As soon as I opened the meat packages, the Tinies swarmed and I was thrilled!  I was pretty excited.  And making it, while gross and stinky (to someone who doesn't eat meat), was a fun process, especially since the Tinies seemed to interested in the smells.

Sunday checks out the meat


Fhizzy checks out the meat (sorry to make anyone gasp seeing a kitty so close to the stove)


Fhizzy continues to swarm as I feel more and more excited


Wednesday waits from afar (actually, all the Tinies were in the kitchen sniff-sniff-sniffing away)


Yummy medium-rare hearts and liver


Mixed in the Cuisinart and getting ready to go and I'm really starting to feel like the head chef at the new hot restaurant on opening day, customers swarming and saying how delicious everything smells


Want!  Want!  Want!


Friday "MmmmmMMmGROSS."  (that was the general reaction by all the Tinies : Fhizzy and Tuesday wouldn't even touch it.  The Larges, I already knew, wouldn't want any but I tried...


Yoyo "Get that out of my face."



I have a big batch now freezing, and I have two extra livers and one heart.  What do you think - should I try it with chicken?  Dare I try something raw?  I seemed to have gotten the most reaction from that.

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« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2012, 05:35:29 AM »

August, don't give up - often takes several goes to get the formula they'll go for.  Although your final version looks a bit sloppy to me.  And mine never go for minced meat - which is what I think you call ground meat?

When I'm cooking, I use whole meat - e.g. a mix of chicken legs / breasts / lamb leg/shoulder, plus liver/heart and simmer them (separately by type / cooking time required) until cooked.  e.g. I cook the hearts for 10 min before adding livers for a final 5.

Then chop the meats (best results but a real fag to do) or put through the coarsest setting of the mincer.  OK, it's messy de-boning, but I then use the cooking broth to simmer some rice to add - and also mix some in with the final mix so it's not too dry.  It seems to help mine keep itnerested as it all smells/tastes of the juice. And for eggs, I hardboil them & chop them up & mix in.

Once I'd got the combi they'd eat, I started using the Anutrin.  If you can read Excel, I've attached a sample of one batch I did showing uncooked / cooked weights to give an idea of ratios etc.  The cooked weights matters as the Alnutrin calc uses these - this one only needed 30g of their 'with egg' powder.

Hope this helps

* ratios 12 Nov.xls (16 KB - downloaded 186 times.)
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« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2012, 06:07:15 AM »

Oh, August, I know your frustration!  Mine have done the same thing--hovered around meowing like they couldn't wait to get at it, then sniffed it and walked away.  And even after I found a formula that some of them would eat, they tired of it after awhile.

I haven't tried Alnutrin; has anyone found that it makes the food more appealing to the cats?
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« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2012, 06:49:06 AM »

If they were interested in the meat raw, maybe try serving it that way ? Mine all love raw ground up. Your finished food did look a little wet to me, but they might like it after freezing. That usually dries it a little more.
 Another trick is to make the food into tiny meatballs, for some reason most of them go for that. Just chop the organs [raw] use the cuisinart to grind them, mix with your meat an egg  [raw] & some pumpkin & roll into little meatballs. You can fry or bake them just until the outside is slightly browned all over.
 It took all of us multiple tries to come up with tastes & textures & degree of warmth they would all like, so don't give up yet ! Maybe the person down the street with multiple cats would try any batches yours reject ?
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« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2012, 09:49:43 AM »

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I haven't tried Alnutrin; has anyone found that it makes the food more appealing to the cats?

Well, catbird, I never considered that, but now that you mention it..... Last time I made a batch I had the Alnutrin weighed out in the scale bowl ready to go in the mix and Eppie discovered it & had her face well in it by the time I discovered her....  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes  (Eppie will not eat home-made btw!)
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« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2012, 09:57:55 PM »

August, I know your cats like smooth food. The mixture looks to be a good color but the texture might still be a bit too grainy for them. Dare I say Vitamix?

Mine didn't all just go running to eat it either. Katey and Mr. T loved it off the hop, but Mia and Pip had to have it mixed into their regular wet food to start getting a taste for it. So, it isn't a failed recipe just yet. Make their regular stuff and add a teaspoon of the homemade and see what happens.
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« Reply #6 on: May 07, 2012, 02:02:58 AM »

That surprised me, JoMax, that you thought the pate looked runny!  It is the same consistency that I make their regular canned wet foods ... it actually made me wonder if I might be watering down their canned foods too much?   Huh   Tongue   

It makes me want to ask everybody to take a photo of how they serve their wet food so I can compare!   Cheesy

My experience is that if it's not this soft, they lick the pieces around until they get tired of doing that and then chunks get leftover (for example, when I was serving Weruva chicken, they would love it, but they'd mostly drink the soup, try to get the pieces of chicken, not really be successful, and then give up).  But after reading what you wrote, I actually tried serving Tiki Tuna and Crab without watering it down at all, and to my surprise, they did a pretty good job of eating it. 

I'll have to try that with our regular canned pate.  And I'll try putting a teaspoon in and see how it goes.  The unfortunate part is right now they are shunning all pate I give.   Roll Eyes   Nevertheless, I'll give it a try tomorrow morning.


Interesting about the Alnutrin possibly being the yummy flavoring...

Can I take the food I have, roll it into a ball (if it's possible) and bake that? 

Is there a "safest" ground meat that could be served?

JoMax, thank you so much for the recipe on Excel!  I might be inspired to try it out some day so I'll keep it in my files. 

Using my Vitamix.  LOL.  Yeah.  The thought went through my mind,... but then so did my morning smoothies...  Tongue
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« Reply #7 on: May 07, 2012, 03:46:33 AM »

Can I take the food I have, roll it into a ball (if it's possible) and bake that? 

Why not? That's the only way mine will try homecooked, meatballs rolled into some freeze-dried powder and then baked.
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« Reply #8 on: May 07, 2012, 05:32:20 AM »

If you mean the already cooked pate you made, you will need something dry to hold them together. If you don't mind adding grain it could be raw oats or cooked rice or very stiff mashed potato or sweet potato. If you want to stay grain free, 1 of the freeze dried raws already a flaky texture or grind the patties into powder. Then bake & if needed roll in bonito flakes or powdery fd raw.
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« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2012, 08:18:21 AM »

Sorry I can't offer any advice but I love your pics Cheesy
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« Reply #10 on: May 07, 2012, 05:12:35 PM »

LOL, Fizzy1, thanks!   Cheesy


I took out some of my homemade fail snack from the freezer, put it in a small bowl, Fhizzy got on the counter and started to lick it like a Popsicle.   Huh   Do you like it?  Do you hate it?  What's up? 

So I got all excited and decided to serve it as is this morning.  It is a much thicker consistency, as you guys wrote.

But ... "Ew."

I will try rolling what I defrosted into small balls (I actually think I'll be able to without adding anything, though in the future I'm not opposed to adding raw oats, cooked rice etc).  Then I'll bake them a bit and roll them in some fd crumbs.  I can't imagine they won't be eaten if I roll them in fd crumbs ... I guess I had sort of been resisting that idea. 

I'll give it a try tonight!
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« Reply #11 on: May 08, 2012, 07:39:02 AM »

Did you try adding any to their usual food?
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« Reply #12 on: May 08, 2012, 03:58:49 PM »

Not yet.  I was going to, but recently my luck has been so bad with just pate food that I hate to test fate and make matters worse.

I did, however, serve Holistic Duck pate this morning and didn't put any water in it to see how it would go -- and they ate it very well (it has been a long time since serving that flavor, too, but it was surprising to see them eating it without the added water I usually put in).

I meant to bake those snack balls but didn't - I'll try that out today or tomorrow.  I'll tell you how it goes!  Fingers crossed!
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