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« on: December 27, 2012, 06:55:11 PM »

I've had six years experience cooking for adult dogs, but now I'm cooking for a puppy.  I hope that some of you can share your experience with a puppy as some of the information I am reading is dizzying.  I've used Strombeck's book as a resource since I started, but I find the updated version by Schenck has some variation.  I have visited with a nutritionist (vet) who provided a formula for the pup's diet.  My concern is that I think we're giving too many supplements.  What I got from the nutritionist is significantly more than what Strombeck recommends. 

When we first started adding the recommended vitamins/minerals the pup had a stool that was covered with a milky-looking mucus.  I was told to add fiber.  I found a great probiotic for my adult dog and decided to add it to the pup's diet - with great results.  We decided to reduce the amount of probiotic and suddenly we have a stool with some mucus again.  It could be a coincidence, but I don't know what else to attribute it to. 

Any experience you could share would be appreciated.  I've been lectured that I could mess up the pup for life if I don't supplement correctly. 
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« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2012, 06:53:54 AM »

Is the nutritionist allowing for the vitamins & minerals in the food ? It's not like commercial food, although you lose some to cooking & freezing you don't lose all of it like extruded food. Mucousy stool usually means it's not being digested properly. Pro or pre biotics should help, if they don't you might need pancreative enzymes. Does feeding smaller amounts more frequently help ? Puppies do tend to eat quickly.
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« Reply #2 on: December 28, 2012, 07:02:34 AM »

Do the Alnutrin people do puppy stuff?  I don't recall...
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« Reply #3 on: December 28, 2012, 07:18:44 AM »

I never got a direct answer if we're allowing for vitamins in the foods.  Vet said cooking method was important to maintain nutrients, so I would think it would be considered.  For the amount I'm having to feed to maintain a decent weight/growth, the formula would equate to almost 4 whole vitamins per day, in addition to extra choline, iron, Vit.E, copper and zinc.  It just seems like too much.  I have been reviewing the Strombeck book and he recommends much less.  The vet did not recommend home cooking for a puppy and strongly suggested I feed commercial since it is "balanced."  I think they use a program to formulate the diets now.  I was adding a probiotic to the meal after the first bout with mucus in the stool.  Had great results.  We cut back on the probiotic and mucus/soft stool returned.  Thanks.
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« Reply #4 on: December 28, 2012, 07:23:07 AM »

The supplements I use are human grade, not specific for pets.
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« Reply #5 on: December 28, 2012, 07:34:31 AM »

Maybe BalanceIt?

https://secure.balanceit.com/
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« Reply #6 on: December 28, 2012, 04:34:52 PM »

How about going with part Nature's Logic kibble & just adding a little calcium & fat to the wet ? Yes messing up a puppy's nutrition is bad life long, but over supplementing can be just as bad. NL doesn't use added supplements, they get it all from food. Or you could buy NL's supplement for the home cooked. Have you considered going raw ? You don't lose anything with that . Without seeing the actual recipe & amounts I can't be sure, but you are an experienced pet owner & not stupid. If you think its over supplemented, it probably is.
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« Reply #7 on: December 30, 2012, 09:15:02 AM »

Thanks to all for your thoughts.  I've reviewed everything - the only other thing I've found is we went thru the mucus for 2-3 days not quite a couple of months ago - and that was about 4 days after one round of puppy vaccines.  We had the last round of puppy vaccines about 7 days prior to this bout with mucus.  It's getting better, but it varies - one good poop and then another with some mucus.  Don't know if the vaccines could have something to do with it - 4-7 days seems like too many days out for a tummy reaction. 

I still think we're adding a lot of supplements.  Lesliek, the formula contains chicken (white meat), sweet potato and veggies.  The supplements for one day's worth of food is 4 multivitamins, 1000 mg choline, 50 mg iron, 400 iu Vit E, 4 mg copper, 100 mg zinc, 24 grm dicalcium phosphate, 1 tsp lite salt.
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« Reply #8 on: December 30, 2012, 04:50:59 PM »

Camie- you need to post more to get more pms. The formula doesn't sound too excessive for a puppy, but you might want to consider adding the Balance it or NL supplement instead. They get as much as possible from real food . Don't forget to switch things up, change the protein, carbs & veggies occasionally to keep things balanced. Also consider adding a little fruit occasionally, apples , pears ,cranberries ,blueberries etc.
 Vaccines can cause stomach issues, so it could be that causing the mucousy poo. You need to do the puppy vaccines , but research a lot before continuing any of them. Remember the more varied the diet from the start, the less likely you are to have allergies or sensitive stomach issues. Plus dark meat & raw meat have more nutrients than white. Also consider adding organs, they are high in taurine & Vit A. Eggs are good for lethicin. If you do start switching & addng more, cut the vitamins down.
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« Reply #9 on: December 30, 2012, 05:12:29 PM »

With my adult dog, I use both white and dark meat, but during the consult I was specifically told white meat chicken or tilapia or other white fish. And there was the comment that if I didn't follow it diligently I would mess the pup up for life.  There was a strong suggestion I should go with commercial food to get a "balanced" meal (gosh, where have I heard that before?).  In fact, they really didn't want me to home cook for a puppy at all.  I found that interesting that home cooked or raw are ok for an adult, but a puppy's heath and future is placed in the hands of the pf industry.  I was also told to stick with this until about nine months of age for adequate growth.  Funny thing is this pup is so active and with such a lean diet, it is difficult to get pounds on. 

With my other two I have used fruits and an assortment of veggies very successfully.  Thanks.

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« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2013, 05:42:58 PM »

Well, we think we have discovered the problem.  We've been using cauliflower, broccoli and squash for the veggie mix in this formula.  Apparently it was too much for her puppy system.  We cut the veggies just a little and added some oatmeal to the mix and bingo - no more mucus in the poop.  The formula developed for us is a little different from the adult dog.  Now hopefully we'll gain a little more weight and have a healthy, happy puppy.  Thanks.
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« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2013, 01:13:09 PM »

Two steps forward, three steps back.
I suppose we did not make the progress I thought we had.  I changed our formula a little and the pup was doing much better.  Then we gradually added back the recommended amount of vitamins and she has once again developed the mucus in a soft stool.  I'm thinking there is some issue with the supplements.  So frustrating.  She is really active and shows absolutely no sign of not feeling well. 
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« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2013, 04:24:06 PM »

Some dogs and cats just can't take supplements. Maybe its time to try Nature's Logic ? They are the only food to get all nutrients from food, no supplements. It's an all life stages food & safe for a puppy, alternately you could call or email them about adding their supplement powder [all from whole foods] to a home cooked diet. The owner will respond & answer questions & I'm sure they have a nutritionist on staff.  If that doesn't work, you may need to go raw. That or figuring out a diet complete without supplements may be your only options.  Is there a holistic vet near you ? They may have a nutritionist too , & could work up a specific supplement free or raw diet plan.
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