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« Reply #15 on: August 16, 2007, 10:41:50 PM »

My cats eat commercial canned (no gluten, no by-products, looks and smells like real food) supplemented with dry (preferrably grain-free) and freeze-dried and some raw (when fresh enough). I would prefer to feed raw but have problem with suitable meat supply here (hong kong) since I don't want to feed them anything from mainland China. Two out of three won't eat cooked and imported raw is not always fresh enough. I eat mostly organic stuff (subject to availability) and have been vegetarian for over 20 years.

My cats are indoors only, and we do kitten shots only, no boosters after that. My vet is fine with that, he vaccinates his but as he says his are at higher risk because of his contact with sick animals all day. Old vet was totally different, he was pestering me to vaccinate at every visit, and then I would just say "what about vaccine associated sarcoma" (he never bothered to mention any risks of vaccination) and he would shut up. I was recently really pissed off when I was checking Stefie's and Mitzie's old records and saw that he actually gave them FeLV vaccine too even though they are at practically zero risk.

I also use vinegar and hot water for cleaning, and organic, natural and biodegradable detergents, dish washing liquids, soaps, shampoos etc. For shampoos for humans I've used Aubrey Organics (they have pet shampoos too I haven't used those, see here http://www.aubrey-organics.com/categories1.cfm?cat=12) and Burt's bees (a lot nicer, especially raspberry one). I used to use before Aubrey's skin care, but it didn't really suit me so for that I use L'Occitane even though it is not really all that natural but it works great for my skin (at least in this climate, 90% humidity today). Two of my cats had a bath once (when they really needed it) and I used one of the baby organic shampoos, I don't use any pet hygiene products on regular basis.

One of my pet peeves is that there are so many products advertised as natural, but when you look at the label you can see that it is same old junk as in the cheap supermarket product, just maybe some plant extract added which is probably at ppm level. Take for example Body Shop, most shampoos, shower gels etc. contain sodium lauryl (eth) sulfate, which is very irritating for my skin and which was my primary motivation for searching for natural hygiene products. For years I had problem with dandruff, which was only partly helped by all those anti-dandruff shampoos. Then, after I found truly natural shampoos, no SLS no dandruff. It was actually that simple.
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« Reply #16 on: August 16, 2007, 11:29:19 PM »

This is a great thread for sharing "off-the-charts" pet care and nutrition methods.  I was a little "over the top" even before the BIG petfood recall, at least as far as non-essential vaccinations and other vet procedures were concerned.  After March this year, I have developed a total and irriversible pet product paranoia.  These are the changes:

1.  I no longer bathe my cats once every other month like I used to with pet shampoo.  Instead, if they get a bit too dirty, I wipe them down with a hand towel soaked in warm water.

2.  After "walkies" outside on the sidewalks (cats wear halter and leash), I wipe their litle paws with baby wipes.

3.  Cato was vaccinated against rabies last year and Kaffe was vaccinated 3 years ago with all the core vaccines becuause of an overseas trip requirement.  Becuase of the cats' lifestyles and living conditions, my vet is OK with not re-vaccinating - yet.  But I will resist as long as I could.  I beleive a STRONG IMMUNE SYSTEM from proper nutrition and good hygiene and pet care are collectively better insurance against disease.

4. Every member of the house who has had contact with any other animal outside of our house is required to wash hands and arms with soap and water and change clothes in the garage (soiled clothes go directly into the washing machine).  They are NOT allowed to pet the cats until the sanitation process is completed.  Sometimes I ask them to wash hands and arms and faces a second time before kissing cats.  My family has learnt to accept this with good grace.  I also require everyone to remove outdoor shoes at the door.  If they've been to a home with a sick pet, a full shower is required.

5.  Cats are on 80 - 90% home-made raw diet now.  The other 10% - 20% is commercial kibble or wet given either as treats or as "light meals."   

6.  Cats are given human-grade vitamins and supplements except for their brewer's yeast (I bought the bottle last year before all the concern about quality of ingredients.  They've been doing OK with this bottle, so I am not afraid to continue it... once its all gone, well, tat's another matter). 

7.  I read EVERY label of EVERY new product I buy now - for the two legged and four legged members of the family.   

8.  I avoid stuff made from China or manufactured by Menu Foods or ANI or Diamonds - UNLESS the product has a pristine reputation (for example, Natura BEFORE the Donna issue surfaced).

9.  I have become more pro-active in preventing medical issues from developing by arming myself with knowledge on feline nutrition; feline diseases; what's good for them, what's bad... and watching them closely etc.

10.  I am gradually transitioning to more earth-freindly house-cleaning stuff.  The kitchen is sanitized with vinegar spray followed by hydrogen peroxide spray. 

11.  The cats get flea-combed before I brush their teeth - everyday. I brush their teeth with a bit of baking soda and irrigate mouths with spring water and a little foodgrade hydrogen peroxide.  Older cat gets more intense treatments.  I have had to use a commericial product called Petzlife to dissolve cats' tartar though.  I reasoned that it is better than having their teeth cleaned under anesthesia.  Petzlife gel is the only pet oral product I found that actually works.  Pet toothpastes and rinses are a waste of money.

12.  Home remedies and natural remedies are now very BIG in this house, both for the human and feline inhabitants. 

13.  I hate WalMart becuase of how they treat their employees - never shopped there for four years now. 

14.  I've joined a LOT of pet group forums!
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« Reply #17 on: August 17, 2007, 05:17:40 AM »

JJ said: Now trying to find a natural rug cleaner that leaves no residue on carpets since I cannot yet afford to replace my wall-to-wall carpeting for 3 more yrs.

For small spots, the spray can rug cleaners are overwhelming to my nasal passages.  I often resort to club soda or hot water.  I have wall-to-wall in 3 rooms and in a main passageway and use a steam cleaner rug machine.  Living on a gravel road and having a woodstove, we're constantly tracking in a lot of dirt.  When I ran out of commercial rug shampoo once, I discovered that hot water (as hot as I can get it without boiling it - machine says not to use boiling water) removes as much dirt as the hot water with the detergent. 

Thanks, JJ.  I'm thinking of more things now. 

Natural room fragrance: I'm avoiding using the plug-in and spray air fresheners.  I save my orange and lemon rinds and bend them in the air to release the fragrant oils.  You can see the oils spraying out, and it smells nice for a little while.

I used to have scented geranium plants which I would pinch to release their scents when I walked by.  I had a lemon one that was very fragrant.

In the cold season, I put a steamer (cast iron pot) with cinnamon, cloves, & nutmeg on the woodstove to simmer.  I also add apple and orange peels.  You can do the same thing on your kitchen stove top.  Just keep adding water as it evaporates.  When the scent is gone, I just move the contents to my compost bowl on the kitchen counter. 

Thank you, all, for sharing.  Let's keep going.  Smiley
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« Reply #18 on: August 18, 2007, 06:39:27 PM »

purringfur you gave a great idea - hot water to clean the carpets. I will rent that carpet cleaning machine and add the hot water along with some organic lemon to the water to help clean the carpet and add a fresher smell to them too. Should be safe to use.
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« Reply #19 on: August 19, 2007, 06:02:21 AM »

Hi guys, great info. but I wanted ask you all a question, keep in mind I don't use this food, but everyone around me in my life uses Pedigree!!!  Even the people that work for my vet! The dogs in my neighborhood all use Pedigree, even the two wolf-hybrids that walk by our house everyday their dogs seem to do so well for ever, I also have a friend who has 5 dogs and 17 cats that uses Pedigree for her dogs.  Her dogs never get sick unless she tries changes to their diet.  I myself think its weird, and don't know why it isn't harming them later on in life, do you guys have a clue?Huh  to me it is total garbage, and we would never use it, but evidently it somehow sustains these animals, maybe because of the BHT because it is a preservative.  When I was working at the health food store, we sold it as an age preserver,and flocks of humans were using it.
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« Reply #20 on: August 19, 2007, 11:10:43 AM »

well, i've officially fired all major brands etc from my life. the pets were already raw fed, with the cats getting some dry at night for the youngest's first year (not anymore!). i no longer buy meat at sales, and now only feed organic to them. i decided i should eat as well as my pets do since we share, so that's been a change. i make things i used to buy so i don't have to worry about ingredients changing or reading labels. yogurt, ice cream, pasta, salsa, etc. even have a freezer full of tomato sauce and crushed tomatoes. just shared a spinach/mexican omelet with the dog Wink the salsa ingredients and spinach were from my farm share and the other ingredients, local organic. i am doing more bulk buying now and need to invest in yet another freezer before the side of beef shows up. the rancher is saving lamb lungs for me so i can dehydrate my own for the pets Grin i also needed to invest in store bought poop bags because i never go to the store anymore! lol!~

my vets are traditional/holistic so i generally go the holistic route. i've quit buying vitamins and am using whole food supplements now. the cats do have a multi-supplement powder verified to be all american that i rotate with other combos.

i got the book 'better home basics' (i think that's the name) so i could make/have solutions to home cleaning and making some of my own lotions etc. i was a big fan of vinegar before hand, but didn't have a lot of info on other alternatives. book is great, covers all aspects of home and yard care plus other things. even carpet cleaning Wink i bought a steamer to use on walls/windows/hardwood floors/kitchen/bathroom.

the most fun thing i have done (especially since i love to cook!) was join the farm CSA. i get so excited on sat mornings! lol!~  these pics are from yesterdays haul:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/straybaby/

there were more cherry tomatoes, but Dot and I ate a bunch before i took the pics  Tongue later on today, we'll share some of that there melon. YUM!

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« Reply #21 on: August 29, 2007, 12:32:09 PM »

What excellent tips you all gave.  Are we over the edge yet, or just off the charts?   Grin

Thank you, Nabiya for the alert.  My machine was fine, and I have my alerts at the highest setting.  I've removed the second site because I later realized it is promoting products and just gave out a little bit of info that is also on the geocities site.

Also, I've read conflicting info on Borax.  Some say it's safe, some use it as a flea treatment for rugs, and others say not to use it around animals.  Just thought I'd mention this...

Alternatives to Cleaning Chemicals, Etc. (not saying I would use all of these...)
Fact Sheet: Safe Substitutes at Home: Non-toxic Household Products
http://es.epa.gov/techinfo/facts/safe-fs.html

Clean & Green - Some TOXIC items included, but a great info site:
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/8088/clngrn.html
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« Reply #22 on: August 29, 2007, 01:37:23 PM »

What excellent tips you all gave.  Are we over the edge yet, or just off the charts?   Grin

Alternatives to Cleaning Chemicals, Etc. (not saying I would use all of these...)
Fact Sheet: Safe Substitutes at Home: Non-toxic Household Products
http://es.epa.gov/techinfo/facts/safe-fs.html

Natural Cleaning Recipes:
http://mlmgorilla.com/naturalcleaningrecipe/

Clean & Green - Some TOXIC items included, but a great info site:
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/8088/clngrn.html

Warning:  some of the links under Natural Cleaning Recipes just made my computer go nuts; fortunately I have several versions of anti-virus and spy ware on my machine and it stopped them.  I wouldn't open any links other than the home page.
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« Reply #23 on: August 29, 2007, 08:33:50 PM »

What a great post!

. cats are on organic, grain free, menadione free canned food (sprinkle dry on top)
. we all drink filtered water/use it for coffee too
. I don't eat meat
. I read every label if I don't know what it is I don't buy it
. Just switched cigarettes to organic Natural American Spirit
. Use no chemicals in the house/use vinegar for everything
. Use no chemicals outside in yard
. Buy only organic/locally grown food/products
. All personal care is natural ingredients
. If it's made in China I don't buy it (really hard to determine)
. Don't shop at Walmlart
. Use Aluminum free deoderant
. Sometimes cook organic chicken and broccoli for the fur balls
. Use only certified organic vitamins
. Don't use "fragrances" unless natural oils
. Carpet clean & mop with HOT water
. Don't use cellulose sponges/100% cotton white wash cloths
. none of the cats get any more shots or vaccines, all indoor
. Don't use any medications/prescriptions except plain aspirin
. don't buy tires not made here in the usa
. question everyone
. in the process of replacing all plastic food containers

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« Reply #24 on: September 01, 2007, 09:06:18 AM »

http://www.letsbewellinc.com/
They write a Newsletter 4 times a year that is on line and contains lots of helpful info:
http://www.letsbewellinc.com/s/p/NLDownload.html

Under "What We Teach" you will find links to a lot helpful info on the site. Just keep clicking the side bar links to navigate through the site. Or use the right click to open a separate window as I did here:
http://www.letsbewellinc.com/s/p/ExploreHea.html

Also the Shaklee Corp makes lots of vitamins and supplements that are safe to use. They also have safe cleaning products, personal care and skin care products.
http://www.shaklee.com/index.shtml



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« Reply #25 on: September 03, 2007, 04:30:45 AM »

May another "off the charts nut" join the discussion here?  I have been a vegetarian for years, so the meat issue is a non-issue for me.  I use Method home cleaning and laundry products ~ totally environmentally safe, friendly and NOT tested on animals.  I can only find it at Target.  Also use Toms of Maine personal care items ~ I know that Colgate Palmolive has bought them out, but they seem to retain their philosophy of natural, no animal testing. Don't shop at Walmart, don't buy Chinese, etc.  Still having cat food issues since CJ has had ARF (thanks Nutro) and many resulting serious health issues.  Just wondering what wet food those of you with CRF/kidney cats are using.  The grain free are high phosphorus. 
Thanks for all of the wonderful ideas.  I hope this thread continues ~ great idea to start it and lots of helpful information.
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« Reply #26 on: September 03, 2007, 05:01:21 PM »

Catmom5, have a crf kitty, 20 yrs old + 5 others.  All getting "Organics"/Brandon Farms/Blue Seal, grain free, organic from Kroger, see the pet food forum.
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« Reply #27 on: September 05, 2007, 10:33:00 AM »

Catmom5: I sent you a private message.

Petra: I'm replacing my plastic food storage bowls slowly, too.  What do you use when you freeze food?  In the refrigerator part, I use glass or stainless steel.

I also cut worn 100% cotton t-shirts into squares to use for cleaning cloths.  I fired Bounty (Proctor & Gamble - IAMS/Eukanuba).

Straybaby:  You're one of my role models in this wake-up call.  You've really changed in all areas and so quickly!  I love your CSA produce photos (and the ones in the "raw thread" of your kitties eating from the bowl as the meat comes out of the grinder).  You rock!
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