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« on: November 03, 2009, 09:02:58 AM »

So for now I think raw is off the table for the kittens (well, Castiel definitely). I made up some cooked chicken and rice last night for his tummy problems, and both of the kittens just went crazy over it, so today I decided to get the stuff to try some homemade stuff.

I picked up some:
Chicken Breast and Thighs
Canned Pumpkin
Beechnut baby food (chicken & broth & butternut squash)
Taurine
Calcium Citrate
Rice (if necessary)

Going to attempt to make something resembling the recipes on here, but I'm worried I'm not adding enough vitamins, or missing something important.

Any suggestions?
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« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2009, 10:47:21 AM »

Good for you, WF! I think if you follow Cato's recipes, you will be fine. If you're not sure that they're getting all the vitamins and minerals they need, there's no reason you can't give them a vitamin supplement in addition to what you're doing at home. I use NuCat vitamins and my cats like them as a treat.
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« Reply #2 on: November 03, 2009, 03:29:38 PM »

Well, success in a matter of speaking. Both cats loved the home made, BUT Castiel decided to gorge himself, and when the husband turned the dishwasher on, it scared him, and out the food came. Sigh. And now he's back at the dish finishing off what was left.

The most amazing thing is Lilith loved it. She's been a finicky little thing...we'lll see if it lasts.

I used:
1/2 lb (approx) chicken thighs
1/2 lb (approx) chicken breast
1 jar Beechnut chicken & broth baby food
1 tbsp butternut squash
1000 mg taurine
1000 mg calcium citrate

Boiled the chicken, drained the water and fat, and added the rest.

I'm going to get some multi-vitamins, just to be on the safe side. I didn't know if I could use one of my multi-vitamins or not.


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« Reply #3 on: November 03, 2009, 04:37:25 PM »

wicked fate,

They are very cute eating their food.  Next time, don't boil the meat.  Roast or pan fry.  Cato has pointed out that boiling loses too much taurine.  I roast and reserve the fat and use it (a couple of tablespoons).  I have growing youngsters and a skinny crf kitty.  I think fat is one element often overlooked in home-cooking (water is good, too).

Congratulations on your first go!  Others with more expertise can be more helpful, I'm sure.

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« Reply #4 on: November 03, 2009, 05:07:35 PM »

Its ok to boil only if you are using all the broth. I also put some of the fat back in,not a lot. If you don't think they will eat the vitamin tabs, crush enough for how many days of food you make & add it to the food batch. Great success getting them to eat your first batch ! Smiley
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« Reply #5 on: November 03, 2009, 05:19:45 PM »

Wicked,

Good for you and your beautiful kitties.  Way to go!

Your recipe will need vitamins and minerals, and I agree with Bug about NuCat.  They're formulated for cats so that may be a better way to go when you're first starting out.

The NuCat directions say to give a kitten 2 tablets daily - one in the morning and one in the evening.

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« Reply #6 on: November 03, 2009, 05:29:09 PM »

I found the Nu-Cat Vitamins on amazon, so I'm going to order some. Wonder if I can find them locally, or hopefully Amazon will deliver fast.
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« Reply #7 on: November 03, 2009, 05:47:41 PM »

Great job, little kittens!  You know what food is good for you!  And great job, wicked fate!  Your kitties will grow up eating the good stuff.  They look so cute enjoying their home-made meal.
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« Reply #8 on: November 03, 2009, 06:09:09 PM »

I found the Nu-Cat Vitamins on amazon, so I'm going to order some. Wonder if I can find them locally, or hopefully Amazon will deliver fast.


Have you asked your vet if he stocks the Nu-Cat vitamins?  When I used them in the past, I got them from my vet.
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« Reply #9 on: November 03, 2009, 06:32:53 PM »

Hey, wickedfate, w2g with your adorable kittens. Would suggest you purchase from Barnes & Noble or pick up from
library books on homemade pet food by Donald R. Strombeck and any of the Pitcairn books. Besides having recipes,
have lots to say about making your own pet food and will help you make a variety of kitten and then adult food.

Dr. Pitcairn's Complete Guide to Natural Health for Dogs and Cats
by Richard H. Pitcairn, Susan Hubble Pitcairn
Third Edition
Pub. Date: September 2005
464pp

Home Prepared Diets for Dogs and Cats, Donald R. Strombeck, DVM, 1999 (pricey and some recipes online)

I'm sure others have other books to recommend on cooked homemade pet food or other kinds of homemade pet food. Unfortunately,
it's a lot of research and reading and, of course, ways to keep getting at those picky kitteh appetites!
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« Reply #10 on: November 03, 2009, 06:50:43 PM »

I'll have to check the books out.

I doubt my vet carries the vitamins. Does anyone have a suggestion on vitamins until I can get the Nu-Cat ones in?

I've been reading more tonite about cat nutrition, which I spent a lot of time doing before too, but now I'm starting to freak out that I'm not going to get the kittens what they need.  Embarrassed
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« Reply #11 on: November 03, 2009, 08:04:51 PM »

I wouldn't be too concerned if you don't have the vits for a couple of days. Can you feed them some canned in the interim until you get the vits?
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« Reply #12 on: November 03, 2009, 09:06:11 PM »

It looks like all you need to add is some liver and some B vitamins to your recipe.  Just buy some B-50 caps and put the powder in their food.  You could also get alnutrin and use their recipes.

Are the Nu-cat vitamins just meant to supplement commercial diets, or are they specifically for balancing home made food?  Does anyone have a link that shows the amounts in them?
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« Reply #13 on: November 04, 2009, 02:24:40 AM »

Here is the link to the vitamins: http://www.amazon.com/Nu-Cat-Vitamin-Mineral-Formula-Tablets/dp/B00076HSXY/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=miscellaneous&qid=1257330132&sr=8-2

I wondered if I could just add some liver, and some other organ meats, and get the same results as vitamins.

I'm going to feed some canned food, just to keep up the variety...the way they gobbled this down though, and the way they were picking at canned food makes me wonder if they will eat it.
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« Reply #14 on: November 04, 2009, 03:43:28 AM »

Petslave asks, "Are the Nu-cat vitamins just meant to supplement commercial diets, or are they specifically for balancing home made food?"

Great question.

My gang ate an unsupplemented recipe for a few days until I got the vitamin/mineral part figured out, but they were also getting some commercial canned food, too.  The kittens especially LOVED homemade and quickly began to refuse commercial food.

Wicked, you can give them some liver and B-50, but you need to know how much to give them.

When I first started with homemade, I was using one of the online recipes and adding human vitamins but later learned the amount of (some) vitamins was way too high.  That was scary, so I switched to Alnutrin supplements.

I believe (may be wrong) that Auntie Crazy gives her kitties some liver each week, and that she "hand feeds" it rather than incorporating it into a recipe.  I'm no expert, but based on my current knowledge and experience, that's something I'd like to try.

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