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Bridgett
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« on: October 02, 2007, 02:12:42 PM »

My sweet, little Daisy (2 1/2 year old doxie/chi X) needs to lose some weight.  She weighs about 17lbs and needs to get down to 12 or so.  To help my cat, Tucker, lose weight the vet recommended putting him on strictly moist cat food because it has less carbs and more protein.  And no more free feeding.

Would the moist food diet work for Daisy too?  Don't worry, although I am not feeding them home cooked meals, they are getting California Natural dry, Pinnacle moist cat food and Evo moist dog food.  Good stuff.

Any other recommendations?

Exercise isn't an issue.  Daisy and I are training for a 5k for http://www.ahanm.org/ scheduled for the first part of November.  We walk a total of 8-9 miles a week.  We are getting exercise.

Many thanks ahead of time! Smiley
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Bridgett
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« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2007, 02:22:04 PM »

I am not adverse to switching them all to homecooked.  The cats may feel differently, but they will get over it.
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« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2007, 02:31:17 PM »

did you cut back? with what you are feeding, they don't need as much as other commercial foods.

my dog is active and on a raw diet, but i still need to feed her on the low end of the recommended amount. she seems to have stabilized over the years, but i still watch her waist line as it's much easier to not let her gain vs taking it off! some dogs are like humans, they look at food and gain  Wink you can always replace some of the food with green beans so your pup isn't hungry. i think it's generally 25%. canned no salt or frozen work. carrots also.
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« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2007, 02:41:15 PM »

did you cut back? with what you are feeding, they don't need as much as other commercial foods.

my dog is active and on a raw diet, but i still need to feed her on the low end of the recommended amount. she seems to have stabilized over the years, but i still watch her waist line as it's much easier to not let her gain vs taking it off! some dogs are like humans, they look at food and gain  Wink you can always replace some of the food with green beans so your pup isn't hungry. i think it's generally 25%. canned no salt or frozen work. carrots also.

LOL!  Poor Daisy takes after her Mother!  Embarrassed

Yes, what I am doing is watching how much she eats in one sitting and then giving her only that much the next time I feed her.  So it is usually around 1/2 - 3/4 or a can twice a day but according to the instructions on the cans she should be eating two cans a day (the small cans).  That seems like alot to me for a little dog.

I am so used to free feeding that it is been very hard to remember to pick the food up in the morning too.  Free feeding is a bad habit of mine too! Tongue

I have another question:

I had always heard that dogs require less protein that cats.  My cats Pinnacle has 10% protein min. while Daisy's Evo has 12% min.  That strikes me as kind of strange.  Why the disparity?
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« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2007, 02:57:46 PM »

Bridgett:

The amounts to feed your dog on any bag or can is grossly over what you should actually be feeding them.  They want to sell more food so they are always way over what your dog really needs.

You have to play around a little bit to be sure she's getting enough food but not too much. 

I have a 59 lb Lab & if I fed her what the cans & bags say, she'd be huge.  She's very active & gets to run her little fanny off twice a day but Labs are very prone to weight gain so I have to keep an eye on her.

Straybaby was right:  I give Hannah a little dry, a little canned, some home-cooked meat & some green beans......or broccoli/cauliflower mix.  She loves her veggies & they aren't fattening so I can give her a little more food that way.  After she eats, she either gets non-fat plain yogurt or all-natural applesauce.  I don't hear her complaining.....& she's still at a perfect weight.
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« Reply #5 on: October 02, 2007, 03:18:54 PM »

 Shocked

Okay, I will cut them all back (3 cats and a dog, my life will be hell) and see what happens. 
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« Reply #6 on: October 02, 2007, 03:58:42 PM »

Bridgett-Try raw baby carrots for dog treats & rinsed clams for cat treats. If they like them you can use a little between meals to get the over the hump of not having food down all the time.
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« Reply #7 on: October 02, 2007, 04:28:53 PM »


I have a 59 lb Lab & if I fed her what the cans & bags say, she'd be huge.  She's very active & gets to run her little fanny off twice a day but Labs are very prone to weight gain so I have to keep an eye on her.


i was feeding my emaciated Dalmatian what the bag/can said and she started getting fat. so i cut back, and back, and back . . . . switched food and cut back . . .  etc. lol!~ one of the many reasons i started raw feeding was to really control what she was eating. she took the extra weight off and is SO much more control-able now. every winter when i pull out the winter jackets or make a new one, she's the same size. and it's no longer a daily issue.

adding the veggies when she was on a commercial diet helped, but eliminating the crap (Evo and Friends weren't available then and prob aren't right for a Dal) from the diet and giving her a clean food diet was the magic. same for the cats. and with multi cats, i'm so happy to have ONE program that works for all (was 8, currently 5)

i've never had to watch my weight (genetics!) so watching it for my pets was pretty funny! we're all on basically the same "diet" now   Grin
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« Reply #8 on: October 02, 2007, 05:07:15 PM »

Straybaby:

I was home feeding for a while but then I found out Hannah had a yeast infection (really a very long, boring story) but it's from a weakened immune system & a nutritional imbalance.....which I can thank the commercial pet food for before I knew any better. Undecided

Rather than take a chance on trying to get her nutrition right while going through this "cleansing" process with herbal supplements, I decided to use a tad of dry & wet pet food mostly for vitamins/minerals but still give her home-cooking.  It's quite an ordeal to make her meals but she's doing super, tummy is clearing up, energy is high, her eyes sparkle & her coat is really shiny....enough so that people ask what I'm feeding her.  I must be doing something right.

I hope to maybe go back to home cooking but for now I need to get her as good as new so I use the high priced pf to hopefully get her nutrition back in balance.  It looks like it's working.....here's hoping...... Grin

I may eventually get into raw (already prepared) but right now I just want to get her better.  Do you use something prepared or do the raw on your own? Huh
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« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2007, 08:30:00 AM »

Bridgett-Try raw baby carrots for dog treats & rinsed clams for cat treats. If they like them you can use a little between meals to get the over the hump of not having food down all the time.

Daisy LOVES carrots so that is good.  The cats, however, being cats, are stubborn when it comes to change.  But I will give it a whirl.
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« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2007, 10:11:33 AM »


I have a 59 lb Lab & if I fed her what the cans & bags say, she'd be huge.  She's very active & gets to run her little fanny off twice a day but Labs are very prone to weight gain so I have to keep an eye on her.


i was feeding my emaciated Dalmatian what the bag/can said and she started getting fat. so i cut back, and back, and back . . . . switched food and cut back . . .  etc. lol!~ one of the many reasons i started raw feeding was to really control what she was eating. she took the extra weight off and is SO much more control-able now. every winter when i pull out the winter jackets or make a new one, she's the same size. and it's no longer a daily issue.

adding the veggies when she was on a commercial diet helped, but eliminating the crap (Evo and Friends weren't available then and prob aren't right for a Dal) from the diet and giving her a clean food diet was the magic. same for the cats. and with multi cats, i'm so happy to have ONE program that works for all (was 8, currently 5)

i've never had to watch my weight (genetics!) so watching it for my pets was pretty funny! we're all on basically the same "diet" now   Grin

I can't imagine keeping 5 cats happy.  Good God!  Three is bad enough. 

I was teasing Daisy that I had to let her collar out a notch.  She wasn't amused.  Of course, she doesn't care one way or another but she would be happier and more energetic if she lost some of this weight.  Tucker, my porcine kitty,  would be too. 
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« Reply #11 on: October 03, 2007, 10:16:18 AM »

Daisy is really cute - I can just imagine that little face looking at you wanting more food.  Very hard to resist.

Poco was carrying a little extra weight until recently.  He ate Pepperdogz raw food for his meals; it is grain-free, but we were giving him California Natural Health bars as treats.  They have rice in them.  We were probably giving him too many of these treats.  It is hard not to since he's so small and was always hungry.  I took him off the treats and he was then grain-free.  For a treat, I'd keep aside a couple of little bites of his meal food, (he is also eating some Addiction canned Brushtail now since his allergies flared up), and am using some venison squares.  (Forgot the brand, but no grains.)

He doesn't beg for food all the time now and lost about a pound.  First time he has been under 12 lbs in years.  Maybe some dogs are grain-sensitive and it makes them hungry all the time.  Good luck!

Treats are one thing that have been cut out of Daisy's diet.  For a little dog, most treat sizes are too big.  A small rawhide makes up half of their calorie intake for the day. 

That is interesting.  I know the Evo has grain too.  I wonder....

If Daisy doesn't lose weight, with just cutting back, I will try the grain free method and see what happens.
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« Reply #12 on: October 03, 2007, 10:58:48 AM »

Have your vet or small animal dietitian figure out her resting DER (daily energy requirement) and Weightloss DER. Kcals to be fed daily. Its more precise than the bag. Misty is 80 pounds and gets only 2.5 to 3 cups of food a day to keep her weight where it is. If I wanted her to lose weight then I would drop her down to 2 to 2.5  If your dog is not losing weight with diet change and exercise then she could have a thyroid issue. First thing to check if animal doesn't lose weight on a diet. Hope that helps.

I come up with 422.61 Kcals per day to lose about 1% per week. That is calculated with or without treats. If you give treats reduce by that Kcal amount.

Thanks for the info!  I need to figure out how many Kcals she is eating now. 

Just did a bit of searching online Kcals, oz, kgs and DERs and now I have information overload!  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #13 on: October 03, 2007, 11:35:05 AM »

I am wondering if Daisy has good muscle tone, and thus, really does not have to lose weight.  I have a red mini dachsie, she has broad shoulders, as she is sprinting alot during the day for a ball.  She does weigh 14 pounds, but, you can see her rib cage and her tummy tuck.

Sometimes Vets, think in terms of a reference by the breed and size of the dog, not realizing some dogs are just muscular.

 
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« Reply #14 on: October 03, 2007, 12:16:47 PM »

Good point, ancona.  Muscle is alleged to weigh more than fat.  One of my cats is heavy on the scale, but she is very muscular and solid, not fat.  (It's a characteristic of her breed mix to be a "velvet-covered brick".)  Worth looking into.
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