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eclaire1981
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« on: September 14, 2009, 12:20:01 AM »

Hi,

I saw that you all have many crf homemade recipe listed on Kaffe recipe. May i know which recipe is the one that you all cook for your crf cat?
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« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2009, 04:34:24 AM »

Welcome eclaire1981!  I use the Tony & Tessa recipe created for my CRF cat, Tessa.  All my cats eat it and are doing well on it.  Do you have a CRF kitty?
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« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2009, 06:52:45 AM »

Hi,

Yes i had 1 3 yr old kitty that is blockedand then become crf, and an old age cat that actually seemed to have some damage. the k/d canned food is expensive and my cat seem have not much interest although he did eat. He is skinny, maybe become of the low protein from k/d. As i had 3 cats,the canned food cost is quite high, so would like to make crf homemade diet for them as look like it is more healtier and cheaper.

I had some enquiries where i can obtained the ingredients.

Tessa and Tony's Grainless Renal Recipe

1. For mashed potato (prepared from dehydrated flakes, w/o milk or butter
                         added)

can i make it by using real potato, steamed and mashed it myself?

2. Pumpkin, canned

any things i need to take note for the canned pumpkin.


3. Ground Eggshell (or 1800mg elemental calcium carbonate)
calcium carbonate, can i buy one that is meant of human? Im not sure what is calcium carbonate. I saw ground eggshell is considered a phos binder. My cat phos is 4.1, so if i use it, will it be bad for my cat?

4. Potassium Chloride (salt substitute) or iodized salt or Dulse
[edit:  there is some question as to the suitability of potassium chloride in a kidney cat's diet - may contribute to metabolic acidosis to which kidney cats are prone]

What is iodized salt? what should i use out of this 3 salt? which is preferred?

5. Taurine
6. Salmon Oil
7. Vit E
8. B-50 Vit B Complex

Where can i buy these items 5-8? Human supplements?

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« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2009, 07:50:14 AM »

Welcome Eclaire1981!

I'm sorry to hear you have such a young cat with renal problems.

Are you in the United States?  It will help to answer where to buy things.

I also use this recipe (I often use chicken breast, or breast and thighs).

I use real potato.  I peel, boil and mash it.

The pumpkin should be just plain canned pumpkin, not like filling for pie (with sugars)

I use eggshells.  I bake them in the oven, 350 degrees, for about 8 minutes.  Then I grind them very fine with a coffee bean grinder; others do it by hand (mortar and pestle).  I make enough, and store it in a jar, so I don't have to do this everytime I cook.
Or calcium carbonate you can buy, like this:

http://www.nowfoods.com/Products/M003065.htm

Iodized salt is just regular table salt, with iodine added, like Morton's.  I use dulse (a powdered seaweed).

5-8 are human supplements and are available at health/vitamin stores, or online ordering.

Perhaps Cato (Kaffe) will sign in later and help with your questions about which salt and the calcium.  Or others here are more experienced than I am.
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« Reply #4 on: September 14, 2009, 07:56:00 AM »

Welcome eclaire1981 ! I don't currently have a CRF cat but can help you with finding some of the ingredients.1-
Yes you can make homemade mashed potato,just don't use buuter or milk,mash them plain or with a little of the water you cooked them in.
2- just make sure the can says pure pumpkin,not pie mix
3-ground eggshell is calcium carbonate,you can buy human supplements & grind them or save eggshells,rinse & microwave for 2-3 mins & grind them[a coffee bean grinder works well for pills & shells]
4-You need someone current on CRF to answer
5-Now & Blubonnet sell taurine not from China. You probably can get a health food store to order the BB,I think you have to get Now online.
6-You can get any filtered good quality salmon oil in most drug or health food stores.
7-Make sure the Vit E is D alpha,not DL alpha[d is the natural Vit E which dogs & cats need][there is a pump bottle of fish oil with E available at www.onlynaturalpetstore.com]
8-B 50 again you can use any good quality human supplement & grind it [if you don't have a coffee grinder,use a mortar & pestle].
hope that helps !
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« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2009, 08:30:20 PM »

I think we discussed the potassium and sodium later in that thread.  I chose not to add any and they seem to be doing well without it. 

I use regular potatoes, peeled and boiled, instead of the potato flakes (cheaper than flakes).  I also use boiled white rice in place of the potatoes.  I make 6-8 double batches at a time, so I alternate between potatoes and rice each time I make it.  I just add all cooked, measured ingredients to my food processor and it purees the food nicely.

I buy NOW taurine in supplement stores, and the B-50 vitamins, Vit E and salmon oil at a local natural food store.  All are human grade supplements. 

I grind eggshells for the calcium since none of the stores around here have straight calcium carbonate.  They all have magnesium &/or Vit D added, so I don't use them.  You could also just order all of these online through NOW or other supplement companies and get everything at once if you can't find them locally. 

Alnutrin also has a premix of supplements especially for cats, and sells taurine powder by itself. 

One suggestion - if your cats haven't eaten home cooked meals before, you might want to make a batch without the supplements to see if they will eat it.  They will be OK for a short while, a week at the most, without adding the supplements.   That way if you have one that refuses to be converted to the new food, you won't have wasted money on a lot of supplements.  Good luck, hope everyone enjoys their meals!



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« Reply #6 on: September 14, 2009, 08:45:55 PM »

Hi everyone,

you all are so helpful, really thanks for all detailed clarifications.

I had better idea of all this ingredients. I live in singapore. If it is human supplement, i believe i can find it, and noting not DL apha, but D alpha etc. For pumpkin, can i use real one and mashed it myself, afraid i cant find canned pumpkins, i seldom see this in my country supermarkets.

However the grams of potato, i really quite confused. Omg, seem i need to buy a weighing scale. Going to declare bankrupt ha from my cat vet bill. He had bad nasty blockage. and due to vet said i only need review 3 days after he remove the catheter even he is again completely blocked,so his kidney is damaged somehow and it is quite bad damage too.

So having his azodyl and k/d wet is going to kill me now. How many days supply for this recipe? And how can i store it etc?
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« Reply #7 on: September 14, 2009, 08:53:41 PM »

There is a little bit of expense up front to start home cooking,but it pays for itself quickly. yes you need a scale & the supplements & stockpots,etc. But over a short space of time they pay for themselves. The biggest thing is you can buy things as much as possible local and/or organic & know that the ingredients in the food aren't going to cause a problem. Alec0 & August are both in your area & may be able to help with shopping choices. In the long run the food is cheaper & the its definitely cheaper than high vet bills on commercial food.
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« Reply #8 on: September 14, 2009, 10:44:33 PM »

Hi,

Is it? there are member in singapore. Ha. So happy to hear that. Having protein of 40%, will it be too high for my cat? Yes, i believe it will pay off in long term. Btw, If i using ground chicken thigh, i need to buy chicken of beef liver too?
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« Reply #9 on: September 16, 2009, 10:55:59 PM »

Need help. If i using chicken thigh for this recipe, do i need to add liver? And how do you all store ready food? Divide into portion and  freeze it? When you all need it, you put microwave to heat it? or just defroze or cooked it?
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« Reply #10 on: September 17, 2009, 06:47:36 AM »

I do use the liver no matter what meat part of the chicken I use.  It has a lot more Vit A and other nutrients than muscle meat. 

I put mine in big plastic storage containers and freeze them, then take them out to thaw for a few days in the refrigerator before I need them.  Each container holds about 5 meals for my 5 cats, so it's kind of big. 

I add the supplements to the food after I thaw it, but I think you can add them before freezing.  Might be easier to mix into the food in the food processor than by hand.
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« Reply #11 on: September 17, 2009, 07:28:03 PM »

hi,

Thanks for your reply. However the supplement, i need to crush the capsule or i can just open it and add in the powder?
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« Reply #12 on: September 17, 2009, 07:52:44 PM »

I probably put my supplements in the food different than most people.  Before I freeze the food, I add the ground eggshell.  When I thaw a batch of food to use it, I put a little of the food into another container, add the other supplements and a little water, mix that up well and add back to the main food container.  I think it helps to get it mixed in easier rather than adding the supplements directly to all the food.

The B-50 and taurine I buy are powders inside capsules.  I just open them, put the powder in the food and throw away the empty capsule.  The salmon oil and Vit E are both oils in gel caps.  I punch holes in the caps and squeeze the oils into the food, throwing away the empty gel caps.  Then I mix up it all up with a fork, add it back to the rest of the food, stir with fork a lot, put the lid on and shake it up to get it mixed in well.

Whew!  Maybe you can come up with an easier way, like adding them all to the processor when you're making it!  I just like to add them right before feeding a batch so the supplements are fresh.  I don't think freezing the supplements hurts them though.
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« Reply #13 on: September 17, 2009, 08:39:15 PM »

I do the same as petslave,capsules with powder I empty & with oils I poke & squeeze [don't like giving them the capsule itself]. Some of the supplements are hard pills,those I crush with mortar & pestle or coffee bean grinder. Some I add to the food & some that are more heat sensitive or freezer sensitive I add daily[ie-taurine & pre & pro- biotics]. If you mix the supplements into the liquid & then stir into the food you can get it pretty evenly distributed.
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« Reply #14 on: September 18, 2009, 12:57:37 AM »

Hi,

Thanks alot. If i do not want to invest on a kitchen weighing scale at the moment, and i roughly get the grams by distributing roughly by gauging on the packaging of the products. For eg, meat is indicated the gram at the outer. So roughly i know the gram for individual. Same go for potato. So is that ok? Will it make a very big problem to my cat if the difference of grams is not that accurate?
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