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« Reply #300 on: April 20, 2008, 12:49:45 PM » |
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I have tried Call of the Wild by Wysong, a supplement which is designed for adding to home-prepared meals, raw or cooked. It's a powder that you stir in before serving. It has organs, vitamins, probiotics, etc.
One of the ingredients is "ground bone", which troubles me a little since I don't know what the bone is from. There are also other ingredients that may be questionable or allergens for some---like rosemary extract and seaweed meal.
I was not able to get up to the full amount recommended with my cats, only to about 1/3 of that. Otherwise my cats would refuse the food. Others may have better luck with it. It seems to be a decent product, but my picky cats apparently don't care much for the taste.
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« Reply #301 on: April 20, 2008, 12:54:17 PM » |
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OMG!!!! THANK YOU Cassi and JUstMe for this picture!!! If I ever ever get a \kitty kookbook out, THIS pic HAS to be on the front cover!!! I will print it out! Its absolutely thrilling! Put a HUGE smile on my face! Drool   |
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« Reply #302 on: April 20, 2008, 01:00:37 PM » |
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Petslave:
Let me study this recipe and pre-mix for an hour --- I'll get back to you.
The main thing to find out for your CRF kitty's sake is the source of the calcium in the pre-mix. If it containes BoneMeal, then it is an absolute "no no no no" - but if the calcium is citrate or carbonate or lactate, that's fine.
BUt let me run the amnts through a food analyser. Be back in a bit.
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« Reply #303 on: April 20, 2008, 01:15:23 PM » |
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THANK YOU kaffe!! Or easier, if you already have a non-grain CRF recipe that would work for all the cats, can you direct me to it? I don't mind adding some single supplements, but if I have to add 30 different things I start to lose interest in making their food myself. Plus I need a one size fits all food for this group. Bengal Circus posted a thread about Feline Future supplements, which looks just like the one I posted earlier. One thing COOL on their site is how to CAN your own pet foods so you have them in case of emergency or for travelling. If you've done pressure cooker canning before, it doesn't look hard (I'm too chicken to can anything but jelly in a water bath, but would like to try it someday): http://www.felinefuture.com/nutrition/home_canning_cat_food.php |
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« Reply #304 on: April 20, 2008, 01:59:40 PM » |
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Petslave: Here’s the nutrient analysis for the meats-only portion of the Feline Instincts recipe, WITHOUT the supplements or the squash (the "meat" here is chicken thigh without skin and without bones - and roasted)
Analysis Results
Nutrient Total Rec. %Rec
Calories 2115.81 650 325.51%
Pro (g) 269.12 13 2070.15%
Fat (g) 106.58 21.67 491.83%
Carb (g) 1.26 --
Fiber (g) 0 --
Cal (mg) 128.46 210 61.17%
Iron (mg) 23.69 6 394.83%
Na (mg) 869.72 --
Pot (mg) 2355.09 --
Phos (mg) 2096.94 100 2096.94%
Ash (g) 10.47 --
vitA (IU) 23514.67 1875 1254.12%
vitC (mg) 22.12 40 55.3%
Thia (mg) 0.88 0.2 440%
Ribo (mg) 4.55 0.3 1516.67%
Nia (mg) 65.47 2 3273.5%
H2O % 65.6 Infant .0-.5 --
satF (g) 30.07 7.22 416.48%
monoF (g) 39.53 7.22 547.51%
polyF (g) 23.76 7.22 329.09%
Chol (mg) 1745.22 300 581.74%
2 pounds = 32 ounces
1 Cup = 8 ounces
Recipe yields around 40 ounces of meat, 67% of which is water
So phosphorus load: 2097mg divided by 40 = 52.425mg phosphorus per ounce
Cat eats 6 ounces per day = 52.425 x 6 = 314mg phosphorus per day as fed
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The phosphorus load is NOT outrageous.. I already kinda "knew that" since the meat being used is CHICKEN.
The Feline Instincts supplements CAN be added to the cooked base meats (why ever not?). Is your CRF kitty using phosphorus binders already? Another way to reduce phosphorus is to reduce the amount of liver to say 2/3 or even 1/2 Cup per recipe. Of course, you'll be reducing Vit A and D when you do that.
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« Reply #306 on: April 20, 2008, 03:50:55 PM » |
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Thanks kaffe! That looks good. She isn't on P binders right now, seems to be doing very well just on canned Wellness with water added. She was diagnosed about a year ago with not so good numbers, so I'm pleased she is managing with diet alone right now. That's why I'm so hesitant to change anything, but I also worry about relying only on one commercial food source, using only 2 flavors. And now it seems problems are cropping up again with that one.
I did find that Feline Instincts substitutes calcium lactate for the bone meal in the Kidney Support mix, so that's good. I emailed them to get amounts of each supplement so I can see how much taurine is in there.
Thanks for the links to the other premixes 5cat! I'll check those out & add them to my list. I knew there were more out there, but my searches aren't turning up much. I've seem to have lost my google skills.
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« Reply #307 on: April 21, 2008, 04:59:01 PM » |
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« Reply #308 on: April 25, 2008, 10:11:46 AM » |
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Kaffe,
Do you have a recipe that uses lean ground beef (90% lean, 10% fat) as I sometimes buy this at Whole Foods for DH and me.
Would like to have a good homemade beef recipe (either raw or cooked) for the kitties. If the ground beef is a bad idea, I can use a different cut.
I looked back through the thread, but didn't see one.
Thanks.
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« Reply #309 on: April 25, 2008, 01:04:11 PM » |
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Hi 5CatMom! The only beef recipe I use is this one (which Cato loves): We were getting a little tired of chicken and turkey, so Meowmi fixed us something quick and easy with beef in it. Took all of 30 mins to prepare... just toss everything into the blender and whirl. We think it should be called..
Lazy but Tasty
300 g Top Sirloin Beef (raw or lightly seared)
500 g Chicken gizzards (raw or lightly seared)
100 g Chicken hearts (raw or lightly seared)
113 g (4 oz jar) Beech Nut Tender Sweet Peas Stage 2 Baby food
71 g (2.5 jar) Beech Nut Butternut Squash Stage 1 Baby food
2 Tbs Organic carrot - raw (finely grated)
1 tsp Egg shell powder (or 1850 mg Calcium supplement)
¼ tsp Dulse (optional)
100 mg B-Complex
400IU Vit. E
2000 mg Fish or Salmon Oil
1000 mg Taurine
500 – 1000 mg Vit. C (optional / skip if you don’t want too acidic)
1 cup Water
This recipe is low on Vit A and D becuase I purposefully left out liver (It is a good break if you tend to feed liver regularly. If not, you can add 50 grams of chicken or beef liver to the recipe).
NATS Nutritional analysis
Calories 1365.04 Kcal
Protein 219.17 grams
Fat 41.44 grams
Carbs 18.28 grams
Fiber 3.59 grams
Calcium 1956 mg
Phosphorus 1630 mg
Vit. A 2971 IU
Sodium 588.42 mg
You can play around the edges of this one like I do sometimes - like doing without the gizards and hearts, but adding more beef to take their place (600 grams). To make up any missed-out taurine, I just add another 1000mg L-taurine. The eggshell should be alright. Would you like me to run a special recipe for you using ground beef? It won't take long. And I do hope you propose to grind your own beef! What do you want to put in it? Anything special? |
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« Reply #310 on: April 25, 2008, 01:08:51 PM » |
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Hi Kaffe. I get Angus from a local farm co-op and grind it. Kitties LOVE it!
Oops, forgot to say I grind a loin or boneless rib piece. (I use eggshell.)
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« Reply #311 on: April 25, 2008, 01:53:32 PM » |
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Hi Kaffe. I get Angus from a local farm co-op and grind it. Kitties LOVE it!
Oops, forgot to say I grind a loin or boneless rib piece. (I use eggshell.)
Oh cool! It really is better to grind any meat yourself if you are feeding raw. The pre-ground meat we buy from the grocery is intended for cooking only becuase of surface bacteria. Some kitties find it difficult to digest beef, though. My Cato can snarf beef down with no problems whatever, but Kaffe's older tummy needs digestive enzymes, I found. Well Kaffe is not a great fan of beef, so the beef homecooked that I make is primarily for Cato. |
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« Reply #312 on: April 25, 2008, 04:08:56 PM » |
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Kaffe,
Thanks. The recipe you posted looks good, so I'll give it a try tomorrow.
5CatMom
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« Reply #313 on: April 25, 2008, 04:12:26 PM » |
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Kaffe,
Thanks. The recipe you posted looks good, so I'll give it a try tomorrow.
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5Cat: sure - give it a try --- but I feed this cooked and is a big hit with Cato... especially with a generous slavering of tender green peas babyfood! I am putting together another beef recipe for you. |
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« Reply #314 on: April 26, 2008, 12:31:17 PM » |
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Kaffe,
Thanks. You're a Dear. I thought the ground beef would be a good idea for days when I'm not able to spend too much time in the kitchen. I get my ground beef from a local producer, so it's very fresh and not reground (several times ??) like commercial beef around here. Sometimes I buy from Whole Foods, but it's not as good as local beef.
My gang has no special requirements, and I don't feed only liver or extra liver. However, they do get some liver from the cat nutrition recipe.
Furry hugs.
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