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« Reply #300 on: April 20, 2008, 07:47:04 AM » |
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« Reply #301 on: April 20, 2008, 07:51:42 AM » |
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Way to go Cassi!! Now just how to get your meowmie into the kitchen to make that yummy sounding treat food??!! Keep leaving that webpage on the screen & she may eventually get the message. No more canned food, no more canned food!
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« Reply #302 on: April 20, 2008, 08:00:30 AM » |
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Okay, now I have a question. I was looking through the Feline Instincts website the other day & the kidney diet looks so simple. I was thinking of getting their supplement mix & using that same recipe with their mix, BUT cooking the meat. Of course they say not to cook it, but I really don't want to do raw. So home-prepared cat food enthusiasts, can you look at this recipe & tell me if it looks like it would work as a cooked meal, with their mix? And if anyone is really good at it, can you tell me the phosphorous level in this? I really want to cook for the cats for at least one meal to cut down on the commercial diet, but the supplement thing is too much to try to figure out. (note the comment on beef & throwing up!) http://felineinstincts.com/privacy/FelineCRFKidneyFailureDiet.html"Recipe Ingredients - 1 cup of filtered or distilled water - ½ cup of Feline Instincts® “Kidney Support Diet”” supplement powder. - 2 lbs. boneless skinless meats; 50/50 chicken thighs and breast or all chicken thighs. Also, all dark ground turkey is good. - 1 cup of raw liver: Use chicken liver for chicken & turkey.Beef liver for beef and Lamb. For liver powders see liver label and double the amounts to use . - 1.5 LB canned or steamed peeled & pureed squash. See below - 4 Salmon Oil Capsules (4000 mg) or 2 strokes of the salmon oil pump. Some cats will throw up beef meats. " Here's the ingredients in their mix, seems like more than I would add, but it's all done for me so that would be good: "Ingredients: Dried Egg Yolk Gelatin Adrenal Glands (New Zealand Organic) Kidney Glands ( New Zealand Organic) Kelp (Organic) Dulse (Organic) Taurine Vitamin B 50 Complex Vitamin E All Natural (D-alpha tocopheryl succinate) Calcium Magnesium Enzymes & Probiotic blends" THANKS!!! |
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« Reply #303 on: April 20, 2008, 08:15:29 AM » |
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Petslave- To figure the phosp/calcium ratio you need to know how much & what type of calcium,I couldn't find that info on their site. You may have to call them or email them. Also cooking would change the nutrient amounts. Again I would contact them about cooking it.
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« Reply #304 on: April 20, 2008, 10:57:27 AM » |
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lesliek - I also thought it was kind of strange that they don't have any stats on the mix or the foods after mixed on the site. Maybe it's on there but I have to dig for it. They say not to cook the meat because it destroys all the good stuff in it, but they don't say it will be unbalanced if I do cook it. I will email them for more info.
Does anyone know of any other supplement premixes for home cooking? I know there are more out there, and I thought there was a thread here listing them, but I can't find it. This one seems heavy on extra goodies, but I want to find a grainless recipe that works for CRF & regular cats so I don't have to feed everyone something different. My CRF kitty absolutely will not eat if I put her in a room by herself with her food, and I don't have enough rooms in this tiny house to feed everyone separately.
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« Reply #305 on: April 20, 2008, 11:29:08 AM » |
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Petslave- I remember we talked about them,but when I did a search it came up with 12 pages. I just get as many vit & minerals as I can from food, & give any other supplements needed added to their meal. I don't buy a premade 1. Maybe someone else has experience with some of them.
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« Reply #306 on: April 20, 2008, 12:49:45 PM » |
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I have tried Call of the Wild by Wysong, a supplement which is designed for adding to home-prepared meals, raw or cooked. It's a powder that you stir in before serving. It has organs, vitamins, probiotics, etc.
One of the ingredients is "ground bone", which troubles me a little since I don't know what the bone is from. There are also other ingredients that may be questionable or allergens for some---like rosemary extract and seaweed meal.
I was not able to get up to the full amount recommended with my cats, only to about 1/3 of that. Otherwise my cats would refuse the food. Others may have better luck with it. It seems to be a decent product, but my picky cats apparently don't care much for the taste.
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« Reply #307 on: April 20, 2008, 12:54:17 PM » |
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OMG!!!! THANK YOU Cassi and JUstMe for this picture!!! If I ever ever get a \kitty kookbook out, THIS pic HAS to be on the front cover!!! I will print it out! Its absolutely thrilling! Put a HUGE smile on my face! Drool   |
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« Reply #308 on: April 20, 2008, 01:00:37 PM » |
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Petslave:
Let me study this recipe and pre-mix for an hour --- I'll get back to you.
The main thing to find out for your CRF kitty's sake is the source of the calcium in the pre-mix. If it containes BoneMeal, then it is an absolute "no no no no" - but if the calcium is citrate or carbonate or lactate, that's fine.
BUt let me run the amnts through a food analyser. Be back in a bit.
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« Reply #309 on: April 20, 2008, 01:15:23 PM » |
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THANK YOU kaffe!! Or easier, if you already have a non-grain CRF recipe that would work for all the cats, can you direct me to it? I don't mind adding some single supplements, but if I have to add 30 different things I start to lose interest in making their food myself. Plus I need a one size fits all food for this group. Bengal Circus posted a thread about Feline Future supplements, which looks just like the one I posted earlier. One thing COOL on their site is how to CAN your own pet foods so you have them in case of emergency or for travelling. If you've done pressure cooker canning before, it doesn't look hard (I'm too chicken to can anything but jelly in a water bath, but would like to try it someday): http://www.felinefuture.com/nutrition/home_canning_cat_food.php |
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« Reply #310 on: April 20, 2008, 01:59:40 PM » |
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Petslave: Here’s the nutrient analysis for the meats-only portion of the Feline Instincts recipe, WITHOUT the supplements or the squash (the "meat" here is chicken thigh without skin and without bones - and roasted)
Analysis Results
Nutrient Total Rec. %Rec
Calories 2115.81 650 325.51%
Pro (g) 269.12 13 2070.15%
Fat (g) 106.58 21.67 491.83%
Carb (g) 1.26 --
Fiber (g) 0 --
Cal (mg) 128.46 210 61.17%
Iron (mg) 23.69 6 394.83%
Na (mg) 869.72 --
Pot (mg) 2355.09 --
Phos (mg) 2096.94 100 2096.94%
Ash (g) 10.47 --
vitA (IU) 23514.67 1875 1254.12%
vitC (mg) 22.12 40 55.3%
Thia (mg) 0.88 0.2 440%
Ribo (mg) 4.55 0.3 1516.67%
Nia (mg) 65.47 2 3273.5%
H2O % 65.6 Infant .0-.5 --
satF (g) 30.07 7.22 416.48%
monoF (g) 39.53 7.22 547.51%
polyF (g) 23.76 7.22 329.09%
Chol (mg) 1745.22 300 581.74%
2 pounds = 32 ounces
1 Cup = 8 ounces
Recipe yields around 40 ounces of meat, 67% of which is water
So phosphorus load: 2097mg divided by 40 = 52.425mg phosphorus per ounce
Cat eats 6 ounces per day = 52.425 x 6 = 314mg phosphorus per day as fed
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The phosphorus load is NOT outrageous.. I already kinda "knew that" since the meat being used is CHICKEN.
The Feline Instincts supplements CAN be added to the cooked base meats (why ever not?). Is your CRF kitty using phosphorus binders already? Another way to reduce phosphorus is to reduce the amount of liver to say 2/3 or even 1/2 Cup per recipe. Of course, you'll be reducing Vit A and D when you do that.
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« Reply #312 on: April 20, 2008, 03:50:55 PM » |
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Thanks kaffe! That looks good. She isn't on P binders right now, seems to be doing very well just on canned Wellness with water added. She was diagnosed about a year ago with not so good numbers, so I'm pleased she is managing with diet alone right now. That's why I'm so hesitant to change anything, but I also worry about relying only on one commercial food source, using only 2 flavors. And now it seems problems are cropping up again with that one.
I did find that Feline Instincts substitutes calcium lactate for the bone meal in the Kidney Support mix, so that's good. I emailed them to get amounts of each supplement so I can see how much taurine is in there.
Thanks for the links to the other premixes 5cat! I'll check those out & add them to my list. I knew there were more out there, but my searches aren't turning up much. I've seem to have lost my google skills.
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« Reply #313 on: April 21, 2008, 02:49:22 PM » |
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Drool Now I finally get it - it is Justme! I vote that this would make the best cover photo for Kaffe's book. (But you could still use the Texas Chainsaw photo for the 'about the author' area.) |
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« Reply #314 on: April 21, 2008, 04:59:01 PM » |
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