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« Reply #15 on: September 20, 2007, 06:22:22 AM » |
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This doesn't include gizzards, but it may be helpful. Seems like I saw some gizzards info, but I don't think it was about the taurine content of gizzards. I'm no expert, but from what I've read, it seems that HEARTS are a good taurine source. From the abysinnian home page: http://www.serve.com/BatonRouge/taurine_chmr.htm5CatMom |
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« Reply #16 on: September 21, 2007, 09:27:47 AM » |
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Zen, do you have some taurine/gizzards links for me? I couldn't find any nutritional links, and hadn't heard of using gizzards as a taurine source. I do feed them, but never considered that aspect.
Eartha, Mouse, eh?! lol!~ Have you tried mixing a small amount of rabbit and turkey together as a treat to see if it would help bridge her over to turkey? or perhaps cooking up some rabbit to mix in with her turkey dinner to see if that helps? but just mix the rabbit in when ready to serve. you may need more at first and then less over a few meals.
All I could find was this, but all organ meats should contain taurine. http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts-C00001-01c20Ag.html |
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« Reply #17 on: September 23, 2007, 07:07:58 AM » |
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Zen, That's a good link. Taurine seems to have some important health benefits for humans as well. The NOW Taurine label says "supports a calm mood". A calm mood is something I could use lots more of.  5CatMom |
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« Reply #18 on: September 25, 2007, 06:20:00 AM » |
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Zen, That's a good link. Taurine seems to have some important health benefits for humans as well. The NOW Taurine label says "supports a calm mood". A calm mood is something I could use lots more of. 5CatMom This site claims that chicken liver is high in taurine as well: http://www.cat-food-zone.com/cat-food-info.htm |
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« Reply #19 on: September 25, 2007, 10:05:14 PM » |
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For this week, we are still having the basic CatNutrition recipe, but Meowmie also fixed us:
Smelt in Gelatin
200 grams Fresh smelt
2 tbsp Unflavored gelatin
½ tsp Fresh parsley - finely chopped (optional)
½ clove Garlic finely minced or grated (optional)
2/3 Cup Water
small pinch salt (optional)
550 mg Calcium supplement (egg shells powder or other type of bio-available calcium.
Do not use bonemeal)
** You may want to add 50 - 100 mg Vit E to this recipe. Fish tends to denude the body of vit E. But one or two meals spread over time shouldn't be a worry. I add vit. E to my cats' fishy meals now becuase one cat has a tendency to feline hyperesthesia(rolling skin syndrome).
Gut and clean out the fresh smelt. In a small pot, bring 2/3 cup water to simmer and toss smelt, minced garlic parsley and pinch of salt. Simmer for 5 - 8 mins or until water turns a little cloudy. Remove pot from heat and allow to cool a little. While the fishy-liquid is still warm, pour it into a small bowl and stir in the gelatin. The mixture should thicken. Add 550 mg calcium supplement. Add the smelt into the thickened liquid, mash it up with a fork until fish is flakey. Mix everything well making sure all the fish is covered in the gelatin gravey.
This recipe has:
248 kcal
42.5 g Protein
6.2 g Fat
708 mg Calcium
590 mg Phosphorus
116 IU Vit A
3.54 mg Niacin
Calcium-to-Phoshorus ratio is 1.2: 1
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« Reply #20 on: October 01, 2007, 10:00:39 PM » |
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For this week, Meowmie made:
High Fiber Turkey and Giblets
650 g Turkey breast (raw)
130 g Chicken Giblets or giblets and heart (raw)
65 g Chicken liver (raw)
50 g Squash (summer crookneck)
50 g Broccoli
50 g Carrots (grated)
2 Egg Yolk (raw)
1 C Spring water (or enough for processing)
1 Tbsp Unflavored gelatin (optional)
1/8 tsp Dulse
1/8 tsp Kelp (optional)
Supplements:
2040 mg Calcium supplement (I use 1-1/8 tsp powdered eggshell)This is NOT optional!
1000 mg Taurine
2000 mg Fish Oil (or Salmon Oil)
100 mg B-Complex
400 IU Vit. E
500 mg Vit. C
2 caps Glandulars
Method:
1. Boil or steam all the vegetables and mash them when done. Set aside.
2. Steam or lightly sear-fry all meats for 3 – 5 minutes if leery about germs. Cut them up and pass through the grinder. Set ground mixture aside in refrigerator.
3. In a small bowl mix together all supplements, gelatin, dulse and kelp (Crush or powder all tablets and cut open all gel caps and empty into supplement mixture).
4. In a big bowl, mix together ground turkey and giblet mixture, mashed vegetables, supplements and 2 egg yolks.
5. Portion into bottles or ziploc bags for freezing. Makes roughly 5 cups.
According to NATS, this recipe contains:
Calories 1010.45 Kcal
Protein 197.37 grams
Fat 13. 39 grams
Carbs 14.5 grams
Fiber 3.8 grams
Calcium 2125.32 mg (including the supplement)
Phosphorus 1835.9 mg
Potassium 2704.6 mg
Sodium 516.45 mg
Iron 21.96 mg
Ash 9.88 grams
Vit A 37972.45 IU
Vit. D +/- 50IU
Vit K +/- 78 mcg
Taurine: 461 mg (estimated in meats based on taurine tables) + 1000 = 1461mg
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« Reply #21 on: October 02, 2007, 12:17:00 AM » |
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Yankee here! I didn't get the recipe, but i know she put turkey (with bones/organs) in and some fresh chopped clams. And I think I recognized a hint of salmon oil. Not sure what else, but what i am sure of is i don't like a camera in my face when I'm trying to steal from the fresh batch of food. And I really wasn't happy when Harlem jumped up to try and steal some also. Don't think mom will post the pic of when I turned and bopped Harlem on the head . . . I begged her not to!   |
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« Reply #22 on: October 02, 2007, 02:05:45 AM » |
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Yankee! You and your mate are a testimony to how gooooood a cat looks who steals... er... is fed raw food!!!! What a goooood meowmie you got!
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« Reply #23 on: October 15, 2007, 03:25:11 AM » |
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We were getting a little tired of chicken and turkey, so Meowmi fixed us something quick and easy with beef in it. Took all of 30 mins to prepare... just toss everything into the blender and whirl. We think it should be called..
Lazy but Tasty
300 g Top Sirloin Beef (raw or lightly seared)
500 g Chicken gizzards (raw or lightly seared)
100 g Chicken hearts (raw or lightly seared)
113 g (4 oz jar) Beech Nut Tender Sweet Peas Stage 2 Baby food
71 g (2.5 jar) Beech Nut Butternut Squash Stage 1 Baby food
2 Tbs Organic carrot - raw (finely grated)
1 tsp Egg shell powder (or 1850 mg Calcium supplement)
¼ tsp Dulse (optional)
100 mg B-Complex
400IU Vit. E
2000 mg Fish or Salmon Oil
1000 mg Taurine
500 – 1000 mg Vit. C (optional / skip if you don’t want too acidic)
1 cup Water
This recipe is low on Vit A and D becuase I purposefully left out liver (It is a good break if you tend to feed liver regularly. If not, you can add 50 grams of chicken or beef liver to the recipe).
NATS Nutritional analysis
Calories 1365.04 Kcal
Protein 219.17 grams
Fat 41.44 grams
Carbs 18.28 grams
Fiber 3.59 grams
Calcium 1956 mg
Phosphorus 1630 mg
Vit. A 2971 IU
Sodium 588.42 mg
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« Reply #24 on: October 16, 2007, 06:39:38 PM » |
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Lazy but Tasty was a BIG hit with my two boys! For the first time, I didn't have to feed the first few morsels by hand to Cato - he dove right into his plate as soon as I set it down. I'll definitely add this to the bi-monthly kitty menu! Then again... most cats love the smell and taste of peas...maybe it was that made the difference.
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« Reply #25 on: October 25, 2007, 11:08:36 PM » |
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Meowmie has been busy compiling phosphorus (and other minerals) levels on various animal-protein-sources... so, she had no time to do anything "new" for us this week  . She told us that she was doing this in preparation for making us something with ox tongue in it. "What's ox tongue?" I asked. She just said, "You'll see."  But maybe you'll find the following compilation of phosphorus levels interesting (very handy for those with CRF kitties). From LOWEST to Highest "meats" ( per 100 grams): 1. Pork flank: 100mg 2. Beef brisket: 130mg 3. Chicken thigh: 168mg 4. Beef top sirloin: 170mg 5. Chicken breast: 196mg 6. Turkey drumstick: 199mg 7. Turkey breast: 206mg 8. Rabbit: 210mg 9. Egg yolk: 540mg From LOWEST to highest organs ( per 100 grams) 1. Chicken gizzard: 135mg 2. Ox tongue: 160mg 3. Chicken heart: 177mg 4. Pork heart: 204 5. Beef heart: 214mg 6. Ox kidney: 229mg 7. Chicken liver: 320mg 8. Beef liver: 348mg *all values taken from Food Composition Data Bank Denmark http://www.foodcomp.dk/fcdb_default.asp(...there is nothing like a Dane... nothing in the world... la la la la la ) |
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« Reply #26 on: October 26, 2007, 11:38:38 AM » |
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Kaffe,
The phosphorus level research you did will help so many people. Thank you for taking the time to share this with all of us! Meow!!!
Ox tongue? I'm getting a quarter of an organic steer soon and am getting part of the tongue, heart, etc. Do you think my kitty will try some? I know my dogs will love it!
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Buy local. Buy organic.
If you ate today, thank a farmer, hopefully a small, local farmer.
Remember the thousands & thousands of pets that died to give US a wake-up call about the safety of ALL food.
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« Reply #27 on: October 26, 2007, 12:05:34 PM » |
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Purringfur: Your furkids are getting organic steer? Oh wow! I'm jealous! I know a couple of raw feeders who give ox tongue regularly to their kitties, but I haven't asked how the kitties like it. I am going to "experiment" with ox tongue soon... right now I'm debating with myself whether I should sear fry the sides or steam for a couple of minutes (am a little fanatical about germs). My raw feeder freinds just laugh a me. Sometimes I do ask myself why I am so particular since the only time my cats barf is when thy've eaten too much grass and the only time they get runny stinky poopies is when I've fed them certain commercial foods...
Let us know how your furkids liked the steer!
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« Reply #28 on: October 26, 2007, 12:21:05 PM » |
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Let me know about how you cook (boil, bake, crockpot) the ox tongue because I'm going to be cooking steer tongue. I'd think it would be quite rubbery/hard to chew. Would you mind PM'ing me after you've cooked the tongue? Thanks.
I was lucky to get in on this quarter steer because a person who spoke for it earlier never responded again to the farmer. It gets butchered this week. I already sent a 5 gallon pail to the slaughterhouse for the "scrap" meat, which is trimmed from the cuts. The "non-edible" stuff is already gone...
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Remember the thousands & thousands of pets that died to give US a wake-up call about the safety of ALL food.
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« Reply #29 on: October 26, 2007, 03:08:06 PM » |
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yah... I know tongue is on the rubbery side... that's why I want to try it to give the kitties some jaw exercise... I have recently been chunking up their beef and chicken meats and have been quite encouraged when both kitties seem to enjoy a little chewing and biting and clamping down with the incisors etc... together with all the licking and gobbling and slurp slurp... I was actually going to cut a peice of the tongue and feed a chunk rare (just quick seared) and see how the cats chomp it. f it is tooooo hard, then I may bake the dang thing... but I actually think the tngue may be a lot less rubbery if NOT cooked - just seared at the sides. But SURE I'll PM you and tell you what I did and what happened I may be getting the tingue tomorrow since it i usually my market day. |
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