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« Reply #315 on: April 25, 2008, 10:11:46 AM » |
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Kaffe,
Do you have a recipe that uses lean ground beef (90% lean, 10% fat) as I sometimes buy this at Whole Foods for DH and me.
Would like to have a good homemade beef recipe (either raw or cooked) for the kitties. If the ground beef is a bad idea, I can use a different cut.
I looked back through the thread, but didn't see one.
Thanks.
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« Reply #316 on: April 25, 2008, 01:04:11 PM » |
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Hi 5CatMom! The only beef recipe I use is this one (which Cato loves): We were getting a little tired of chicken and turkey, so Meowmi fixed us something quick and easy with beef in it. Took all of 30 mins to prepare... just toss everything into the blender and whirl. We think it should be called..
Lazy but Tasty
300 g Top Sirloin Beef (raw or lightly seared)
500 g Chicken gizzards (raw or lightly seared)
100 g Chicken hearts (raw or lightly seared)
113 g (4 oz jar) Beech Nut Tender Sweet Peas Stage 2 Baby food
71 g (2.5 jar) Beech Nut Butternut Squash Stage 1 Baby food
2 Tbs Organic carrot - raw (finely grated)
1 tsp Egg shell powder (or 1850 mg Calcium supplement)
¼ tsp Dulse (optional)
100 mg B-Complex
400IU Vit. E
2000 mg Fish or Salmon Oil
1000 mg Taurine
500 – 1000 mg Vit. C (optional / skip if you don’t want too acidic)
1 cup Water
This recipe is low on Vit A and D becuase I purposefully left out liver (It is a good break if you tend to feed liver regularly. If not, you can add 50 grams of chicken or beef liver to the recipe).
NATS Nutritional analysis
Calories 1365.04 Kcal
Protein 219.17 grams
Fat 41.44 grams
Carbs 18.28 grams
Fiber 3.59 grams
Calcium 1956 mg
Phosphorus 1630 mg
Vit. A 2971 IU
Sodium 588.42 mg
You can play around the edges of this one like I do sometimes - like doing without the gizards and hearts, but adding more beef to take their place (600 grams). To make up any missed-out taurine, I just add another 1000mg L-taurine. The eggshell should be alright. Would you like me to run a special recipe for you using ground beef? It won't take long. And I do hope you propose to grind your own beef! What do you want to put in it? Anything special? |
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« Reply #317 on: April 25, 2008, 01:08:51 PM » |
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Hi Kaffe. I get Angus from a local farm co-op and grind it. Kitties LOVE it!
Oops, forgot to say I grind a loin or boneless rib piece. (I use eggshell.)
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« Reply #318 on: April 25, 2008, 01:53:32 PM » |
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Hi Kaffe. I get Angus from a local farm co-op and grind it. Kitties LOVE it!
Oops, forgot to say I grind a loin or boneless rib piece. (I use eggshell.)
Oh cool! It really is better to grind any meat yourself if you are feeding raw. The pre-ground meat we buy from the grocery is intended for cooking only becuase of surface bacteria. Some kitties find it difficult to digest beef, though. My Cato can snarf beef down with no problems whatever, but Kaffe's older tummy needs digestive enzymes, I found. Well Kaffe is not a great fan of beef, so the beef homecooked that I make is primarily for Cato. |
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« Reply #319 on: April 25, 2008, 04:08:56 PM » |
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Kaffe,
Thanks. The recipe you posted looks good, so I'll give it a try tomorrow.
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« Reply #320 on: April 25, 2008, 04:12:26 PM » |
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Kaffe,
Thanks. The recipe you posted looks good, so I'll give it a try tomorrow.
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5Cat: sure - give it a try --- but I feed this cooked and is a big hit with Cato... especially with a generous slavering of tender green peas babyfood! I am putting together another beef recipe for you. |
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« Reply #321 on: April 26, 2008, 12:31:17 PM » |
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Kaffe,
Thanks. You're a Dear. I thought the ground beef would be a good idea for days when I'm not able to spend too much time in the kitchen. I get my ground beef from a local producer, so it's very fresh and not reground (several times ??) like commercial beef around here. Sometimes I buy from Whole Foods, but it's not as good as local beef.
My gang has no special requirements, and I don't feed only liver or extra liver. However, they do get some liver from the cat nutrition recipe.
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« Reply #322 on: April 26, 2008, 02:10:01 PM » |
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The inspiration for this recipe is my great freind, 5CatMom and her divine kitties, Tony and Cleo.
Tony and Cleo’s Simple and Pure Beef
(if ground is very, very fresh, you may serve raw, if not it has to be cooked)
1 kilo Ground Beef Top Sirloin
50 grams Ground beef liver (optional if you are giving Cod liver oil or Vit
A&D supplement)
100 grams Mixed shredded or purred cooked vegetables (Omit this if kitty is IBD; Add if kitty
tends to constipation; do not cook if kitty is hyper-T --- any three: broccolli,
cabbage, peas, carrots, squash, zucchini, kale, etc)
1-1/4 Tsp Eggshell
1 –2 4oz Jar(s)Beechnut’s Beef and Beef Broth Babyfood
1000mg Taurine
1 Cup Spring Water (or sufficient for porcessing)
1. Lightly cook the ground beef and liver, do not brown
2. Mix everything in a large bowl
3. You may add supplements to each serving meal. My suggestions:
(a) 1 drop from a Vit E 100U
(b) dash Vit B complex
(c) 200mg salmon oil
(d) pinch extra taurine
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« Reply #323 on: April 26, 2008, 03:04:48 PM » |
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Kaffe, thanks so much. That looks yummy, and easy, too!
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« Reply #324 on: May 06, 2008, 01:29:02 AM » |
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Meomie thought I was having GI issues since I barfed my raw food three times last month... so, she made me a special batch of COOKED and mushed-up chicken which she said will be easy on my tummy. At first I wasn't so sure about it, but now, after the third plate, I've decided I like it after all! This is what's in it:
Easy-on-the-Tummy Recipe
1 kilo Ground chicken (since this is a cooked recipe, you can use pre-ground chicken from the
grocery)
150 g Mixed vegetables (broccoli, carrots, squash)
50 g Brown or white Rice
1-1/2 tsp Eggshell powder (cal:phos = 1.5:1)
1/8 tsp Potassium chloride or iodized salt
1-1/2 C Spring/distilled water or chicken broth
1000mg Taurine
1. Cook the chicken in a little water until done. Set side
2. Boil and over-cook the rice. Set aside.
3. Cut up the brocolli and squash, grate the carrots. Boil in a pot until tender.
4. Using a blender or food processor, thoroughly blend together chicken, rice, vegetables and water. You may have to do a bit at a time.
5. Add taurine, pottasium chloride or iodized salt and mix very well.
The consistency of this recipe should be rather fine and pasty, so blend well.
Enjoy!
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« Reply #325 on: May 06, 2008, 05:20:39 AM » |
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Yummmy. You're a lucky boy!
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« Reply #326 on: May 06, 2008, 05:29:07 PM » |
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OK, Chef Kaffe--I think you may have addressed this already somewhere in in the bowels (haha) of this tread, but I'm too scared to hunt for it! Do you have a simple cooked grainless recipe that is good for CRF kitties? My little Tessa seems to be doing well on just watered down Wellness canned Turkey & Chicken for this past year, so if it resembles that formula in numbers, maybe it would work for her & the rest of the cat crew here. I'll still keep their breakfast canned meal - not sure if that will allow me to scrimp on adding supplements to their home-cooked meals. Taurine (or organ meats), oil & eggshell would be OK with me - but would I need to add others? Thanks, and purrs  |
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« Reply #327 on: May 06, 2008, 05:51:05 PM » |
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Hi Petsalve! A few months ago, I did tinkerwith the home-made version of Hill's K/D diet and came up with this: This is a home-prepared version of a popular and vet-recommended prescription diet for CRF cats (think k/d protein-restricted diet):
454 grams Chicken Liver (you can use beef or pork liver)
2 Cups Boiled white rice
2 Lrg Hard boiled eggs, finely chopped
1 Tbsp Vegetable Oil
1 tsp Calcium carbonate or ground eggshell
1/8 tsp Salt substitute (potassium chloride)
Water for processing
Method: Dice and braise the meat in the vegetable oil and retain the fat. Combine all ingredients and mix well. Add water as necessary to increase palatability. Keep extra food covered in refrigerator. In addition, you must give a multi-vitamin and mineral supplement to your cat plus 250mg of taurine each day.
I have a BIG problem with this recipe. The only “meat” is organ meat – liver. Think of all that Vit A! Ay! The only other protein source is egg. This surprises me because the humble egg yolk has one of the highest phosphorus values per 100 grams – higher than chicken or beef or turkey. And too much phosphorus is supposed to be a “no-no” for CRF kitties. All that grain too! The calcium-to-phosphorus ratio is also a little on the high side calcium-wise (according to NATS, this recipe has 1014 mg phosphorus and one teaspoon eggshell contains around 1800 mg calcium carbonate). On the plus side, it mentions using ground eggshell as the calcium source. Recent research has shown eggshells to be a viable oral phosphorus binder. Now, I don’t have a CRF kitty (Praise the Lord). But I can’t help tinkering with this recipe and make it more like something I would actually feed my own cats. I would start by reducing the liver and using an animal protein source like pork or chicken instead of eggs. I would also minimize or completely eliminate the rice and put mixed pureed veggies in its stead. How’s this:
100 grams Braised or raw organic chicken heart
100 grams Braised or raw organic chicken gizzard
200 grams Braised or raw organic chicken dark meat (thigh or drumstick)
50 grams Braised or raw organic chicken liver
100 grams Cooked and pureed mixed organic kitty veggies (any three of these:
carrots, zucchini, broccoli, peas, squash, pumpkin, asparagus)
100-200 grams Cooked organic grains like oats or barley flakes (no rice or wheat or corn
please and absolutely no rice bran as rice bran has been shown to "leech" taurine from cat's GI)
1 to 1-1/2 cups water for processing - make it a little "soupy"
2/3 tsp Ground/powdered egg shell (Cal: Phos = 1.3: 1)
1/8 tsp Potassium chloride salt substitute
1000mg Taurine
add supplements like vit B, vit C, vit E, salmon/fish oil/freshly ground flaxseed (for the omegas but NO cod liver oil!)
Phosphorus from meats: 908mg
vit A: 8544IU
Now, if you have a CRF kitty, PLEASE consult yor vet or vet nutritionist before you try any diet.
I know you said "no grains." If you absolutely cannot use any type of grains, then in yur shous, I would simply substitute with vegetables... peas is a good choice I think. If you remove the gizzards from this recipe, you'll come up with an even lower phosphorus recipe. Its just that gizzards are quite tasty to some cats  I am presently tinkering with another CRF/CRI recipe that has to be low fat as well as low phosphorus (for a freind)... hard juggling act... I will post as soon as I perfect the ratios... oh, by the way... you can make the calcium-to-phosphorus ratio in a CRF recipe higher like 1.5 (cal):1 --- especially if you are using eggshell. |
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« Reply #328 on: May 06, 2008, 06:05:20 PM » |
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Yummy - that one sounds good, and simple! Thank you thank you!
I'm not too worred about P binding or potassium levels right now since she's been doing well on no treatment or meds for a year, other than the soupy Wellness diet. The Wellness Turkey is the lowest, and if I remember right, it's right around 1 for phosphorous on a dry weight basis (can't remember the units for this one).
We're printing this one out! (a few cats always oversee the paper feed on the printer)
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