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« on: February 14, 2011, 10:19:42 AM »

Hello all  I appreciate all the input and help so far with the cooked food diet .
I am still searching around on this forum and on line.
I ran across these sites and wanted some opinions on them.
On first one go down to where it says canning the food.

http://www.catinfo.org/?link=makingcatfood#Making Cat Food - Quick Summary   

http://rawmeatcatfood.com/2010/08/20/home-canning-meat-for-your-cat/

I am just curious about this as it would basically be like the canned foods you buy only with your ingredients.( kind of like the Wysong canned meats) (??)
And I was also wondering if you could supplement it out properly to feed in a rotation to raw.
I'd appreciate any and all the info , help and suggestions you guys can give me on this.
Thanks again
mel
Any info at all on home cooked diets is still Greatly Appreciated.
Have a Wonderful Week , Everyone!
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« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2011, 11:42:38 AM »

Many nutrients are destroyed by heat, taurine being a prime example.  So you would not just be able to use a recipe for cooked cat food (where supplements are added after cooking.)  You would need to have someone work out a recipe for how much of the supplements to add before the canning, or else add the supplements right at serving time.
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« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2011, 12:55:07 PM »

I think most people here just freeze their homemade food in individual portions and thaw as needed.  I would be hesitant to "can" meat for cat food due to the possibility of not cooking it properly to eliminate the possibility of unwanted organisms. 
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« Reply #3 on: February 14, 2011, 01:58:03 PM »

I was on the same site the other day and took a look at the canning section. I don't see how this is any different than just cooking and serving fresh or cooking, freezing and thawing. They've packed ground meat in jars and cooked them in a pressure canner. I don't see how they're going to taste anything like the commercial canned food unless you have the same recipes. Also, commercially canned foods are more pureed than this ground meat looks. There is always the chance, in canned food, that you haven't processed it at a high enough pressure for long enough to totally destroy spores such as botulinum. It's easy to kill the toxin by boiling but if any spores remain and the food isn't processed properly, they would flourish over time. I wouldn't do it.

Also, just a clarification about taurine (sorry catbird) -- it isn't destroyed by cooking/boiling, etc but it will leach out into surrounding liquids. If you boil chicken heart, for instance, taurine will leach from the meat into the surrounding water. It is very water soluble. BUT, so long as you include the same cooking water in the recipe, the taurine will still be there. If you didn't want to use the cooking water, the best way to minimize taurine losses is to quickly pan fry the chicken hearts.
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« Reply #4 on: February 14, 2011, 04:59:44 PM »

I just bought 2 extra freezers to hold the prepared foods & finished foods. I was worried about not getting the canning consistly cooked. Also I prefer to freeze most meats for 2 weeks before using them ,whether for cooked or raw. [yes the electric company loves me !]
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« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2011, 05:29:19 PM »

Bug, I've always read that some nutrients are actually broken down by the heat of the cooking process.  This particular article refers to vegetables, but notes that "Dry heat from baking destroys certain vitamins and other nutrients, including vitamins C, B1 and lysine".  I'd imagine taurine, also being an amino acid like lysine, could suffer a similar fate, beyond what is leached out by any water.  The reason searing or pan-frying preserves more is that the exposure to heat is of shorter duration.

http://www.brighthub.com/health/diet-nutrition/articles/44825.aspx

Home-canning of meat products is not for the faint-hearted.  Quite a long time ago, I participated in the process.  Instructions must be followed absolutely to the letter.  It's also much more time-consuming, with far more things that can go wrong, than freezing.  I agree with bug that I would not use this method to produce pet food.
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« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2011, 07:11:30 PM »

On this page:

http://itchmoforums.com/making-your-own-pet-food-and-home-remedies/clamstaurinedark-meat-turkey-t2499.0.html

Reply #4 has an attachment Kaffe provided. It's a pretty extensive roundup of studies on taurine and I wrote what I did based on this particular study. I don't know if you've seen it. And yes, there are vitamins and minerals that are destroyed when processing foods but I didn't get that impression from this study regarding taurine. Maybe there are some newer studies I haven't seen or maybe I've been reading the results of this one wrong.

ETA: Page 261 of the study, second-last and last paragraphs.
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« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2011, 11:05:22 PM »

Thanks guys.
I just saw this and thought I'd see what you all thought.
I am trying to take a look at all the options out there.
Still searching all around for recipes and ideas etc in the process so you might see me back on here with more questions.
So I guess I'll skip the canning. It would be an investment also so with what you guys said and the cost I won't even go there.

So you make home made cooked and freeze it.
That doesn't effect the taste?
Are you all feeding cats or dogs or both?
Thanks again so very much guys
Good night
mel

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« Reply #8 on: February 15, 2011, 05:28:04 AM »

I'm feeding 2 cats & 3 dogs, & when I make treats all the neighbors & friends pets get them too.
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« Reply #9 on: February 15, 2011, 09:19:18 PM »

I'm homefeeding 3 cats - I make 5-7 recipe batches at one time, add the Alnutrin supplement and freeze, then add salmon and Vit E oils when thawed to feed.  Each batch feeds the cats for about 3 days.

The dogs get partly home made breakfasts - oatmeal, egg, yogurt, oil, and either fruit/veggie mix or some Honest Kitchen mix.  Dinner for them is Acana/Orijen dry.  I froze a bunch of local farm fresh veggies for them this summer and am still going through those, mostly carrots and zucchini.  Otherwise, nothing goes in the freezer for them. 

I used to feed the dogs all homemade, with cooked meat and grain (rice/oatmeal) as basis.  I just couldn't afford to keep that up so had to go back to dry for one meal, and the breakfast proteins for the other.  They can't eat chicken, so I don't miss handling all that horrid raw beef and pork anymore.  The chicken for the cats is bad enough. 

All the pets love their homemade food, but my cats aren't picky so i don't have to worry about them not eating what I make.

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