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« on: December 29, 2007, 10:56:27 AM »

aboutdogsxpen,

Have you seen our home prepared food forum?  Maybe you could share some information on preparing food for your dogs when you get a chance?  http://itchmoforums.com/making-your-own-pet-food-and-home-remedies-b62.0/




Homefeeding > I sure will! It's NOT That hard; it's quick! It's NOT expensive.

I do not even trust what most people consider safe... Canidae. One of our A-1 Terrier members this week discovered formaldehyde in her Scotties dry Canidae.

How did our animals ever live before Purina? (All of the world)

Well! BTW my husband was up in PA on business 2 weeks ago. His local contact said that a Purina rendering plant (now owned by Nestle) creates such a stench that humans in the area vomit from its odor!

BTW speaking of Nestle. Did everyone know that Nestle has 5 new plants in Pakistan? What do they produce? Milk products. Their goal is to monopolize the milk products industries, worldwide. Guess who bought our last remaining baby food company, Gerber? UH um... you guessed it Nestle!

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"Recipe" to follow next post.
(a cautionary)

As per ever and always DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH.
Each dog has its own specific food and supplement needs.
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« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2007, 11:12:28 AM »

Crosspost from A-1 Terriers MSN Group - not necessarily just Terrier! Only requirements are our human membership are Terriers! We speak our mind. We think for ourselves. We refuse to give up or give in!
http://groups.msn.com/A1Terriers
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From: SafeFoods  (Original Message) Sent: 12/26/2007 5:21 AM
Audrey smelled formaldehyde in her dog's Canidae Dry.
Our grandson, Colin refused to eat it.
Canidae some people believe to be safe, but obviously it is not.
It has been reported more than once on itchmo to avoid it.
At least one independent lab found tainted food samples.
 
OH Pat and I, TN Pat use:
 
Walmart 
       Spring Valley,
 Standardized Extract
      Milk Thistle
        175 mg
 
1 cap per day. Starting for about a week do 2 caps per day.
 
It really helped mine get their liver numbers to the normal range. I am convinced mine were poisoned (mildly). Thank God I took the first recall to heed and stopped that very day feeding dog food (canned and dry).
 
Questions as to what to feed your dogs vs. dog food.
Previous post on another thread.

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Audrey bought a bag of dry food that smelled like formaldehyde and wisely threw it out. Probably could have saved it to return or contact Itchmo for testing. Make sure those of you still purchasing pet food keep your receipts to prove purchase. Keep the food and the bags or cans of suspect food. Look on itchmo how to send off to your state's attorney general and state health department for testing and further action.
 
http://www.itchmo.com
 
People still using pet food need to get itchmo's daily newsletter to warn of food poisonings well before the FDA might advise the public. Many poisonings are never reported. Many food companies never report to the FDA and the FDA drags their feet until forced to announce.
 
Sorry to get on the drumbeat once again, but folks do reconsider if you are still giving animal feed. I think I have finally convinced Audrey to knock it off. Honestly folks this is almost as easy as feeding pet food and very economical too.
 

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To Audrey, what to feed your two Scotties.
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Meat (canned or fresh, no salt)
Vegetables (canned or fresh, no salt)
Whole Dried Oatmeal (or raw barley meal)
Olive Oil (tbspn)
Milk Thistle (1 capsule)
 
We use the large cans of meat like turkey, chicken, or tuna. Divide the can in half. Give each dog half of the half.
 
Canned vegetables - green beans, lima beans, carrots, peas, carrots and peas, cauliflower, broccoli. Divide can in half. Feed each dog half of the half.
 
Carbohydrates - potatoes, beans (kidney, pinto, great northerns, navy, garbonzo, etc)
 
Regular Quakers Oatmeal dry 1/4 cup scoup
 
Dash of Olive Oil about 1 tbsp
 
1 Standardized Milk Thistle capsule whole per dog.
 
Makes about 2 cups per dog.
 
For breakfast I give them about 1 1/2 cups of Cheerios apiece. You might want to fix them wet lukewarm oatmeal.
 
Avoid flour, milk, mushrooms, onions, garlic, corn
 
Neyll has lost weight (boy did she need it, I feed her slightly less than Moose) and Moose has gained weight (he needed to).

I have had to give them manners lessons as they shreik wanting food.

I have to stop what I am doing and tap them on the nose and say NO!
 
Look out yours will wolf down their food. Moose used to be picky, not now.
I must monitor them carefully to make sure they do not get bloat.
Preventative from developing bloat - liquid to wet dry oats. Feed twice a day. We feed ours plain Cheerios or cooked Oatmeal for breakfast.
 
You will find your two have never felt better. Mine are more playful and run more.
 
Knock off giving them dog canned and dried and dog treats.
 
Dog food plants are nasty and their ingredients anything they can find to throw in.
 
When my husband was in PA the guy he worked with up there said there was a Purina rendering plant close to the location where they work. When the wind shifts their way it actually makes people vomit from the stench. If have done nothing else for this group and your dogs' healths I hope I have convinced everyone please dear Lord above NO MORE DOG FOOD!
 
TNPat

The above is the result of personal research and experience. Remember each dog has individual food balance and supplementary needs. It is possible to get a balanced diet from food alone --

Some may add careful selection of organic, all American ingredients supplements if one thinks those are necessary. DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH!
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« Reply #2 on: December 30, 2007, 10:11:24 PM »

"We use the large cans of meat like turkey, chicken, or tuna. Divide the can in half. Give each dog half of the half."

i would be very careful with canned meat until/unless it's labeled with COOL AND country of processing. soon they will be shipping USA raised poultry to China for processing and then shipping it back. EEP! and we really don't know what they are currently doing . . . .

also, can/processed meats will have nutrients processed out from the heat. same with veggies (and check the veggies COO). if they have added them back in, you may want to check where they are from. also, synthetic nutrients may be missing trace etc that could be beneficial to the value of the synthetic nutrient. Taurine is one example.

Make sure the Cheerios or any other grain/cereal are GMO free  Wink

http://www.coopamerica.org/programs/rs/profile.cfm?id=232

http://www.truefoodnow.org/
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« Reply #3 on: January 01, 2008, 12:50:56 PM »

I am back, feeding my six dogs Nutro Senior, with cooked chicken and some brown rice


One of them had surgery, mammary growth, spayed late in life, (not my doing) it was malginant, but, seems all was removed, lymph node and nipple. 

The Vet who has been on radio for about 18 years, cautions about giving dogs turkey, some vets agreed with this statement.  Can cause pancreatitis.

I will not feed organ meats, or red meat, only, cause, I never really even as a child liked red meat.  I am wondering about ground pork.

With six dogs,it becomes expensive, so, I use Nutro as a base.  Oh, the dog that had the cancer surgery has elevated liver enzymes,. which, can signal a cancer cell in the body, she is about  10 or so.

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« Reply #4 on: January 01, 2008, 01:24:59 PM »

"cautions about giving dogs turkey, some vets agreed with this statement. "

this is generally in reference to thanksgiving/holiday turkey where pets who are not used to home cooked meals are given too much greasy turkey skin and fatty pieces. i feed my cats and dog raws turkey/bones/organs all the time. i also generally give them the cooked breast meat while i munch on the dark!  Grin

i do raw and cooked pork also. i look for lean pork. mine get pastured pork, but i used to buy pork shoulder for them at the store when it was on sale and grind it myself. great way to control fat content Smiley i pretty much feed all meats for variety, but more poultry in general.

for your cancer dog, you may want to up the omegas in her diet. ask your vet if it's ok re: liver enzymes, but omegas are supposed to be great against cancer.
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« Reply #5 on: January 01, 2008, 02:49:29 PM »

Who wrote they used canned meats??  What is meant?  Old Mother Hubbard, Wellness, canned dog food?Huh?

Thanks for the tip on omegas.    I do put a little olive oil in their food

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« Reply #6 on: January 01, 2008, 03:02:18 PM »

here's some more info on it and other sources Smiley

http://www.cancer.org/docroot/ETO/content/ETO_5_3X_Omega-3_Fatty_Acids.asp

for some reason i think i remember reading about foods to avoid also. i want to say carbs . . . .
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« Reply #7 on: January 01, 2008, 05:51:47 PM »

I read somewhere to avoid potatoes for anyone[dog,cat,human] with arthritis or cancer.
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« Reply #8 on: January 02, 2008, 01:00:19 PM »

Thank youf or the website on cancer

I locked it in, read and will re read it

I appreciate the info

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« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2008, 10:33:26 PM »

PORK should be used CAUSIOUSLY and FULLY FULLY cooked( my caps FYI are stressing not yelling;))... pork fat is indigestable to dogs and cats .. pork supplys have many more issues with bacteria than chicken , lamb and beef supplys... I actually learned about the fat thing from a conventional vet ... and the natural vets I use now agree ... I do on occation use a small amount of grd pork cooked for my Gigi ... Gigi has pre cushings and is a 12 yr old yorkie.. I feed her 90% homemade with 10% being treats and a small amount of wellness core
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« Reply #10 on: January 08, 2008, 07:01:41 PM »

Crosspost from A-1 Terriers MSN Group - not necessarily just Terrier! Only requirements are our human membership are Terriers! We speak our mind. We think for ourselves. We refuse to give up or give in!
http://groups.msn.com/A1Terriers
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From: SafeFoods  (Original Message) Sent: 12/26/2007 5:21 AM
Audrey smelled formaldehyde in her dog's Canidae Dry.
Our grandson, Colin refused to eat it.
Could you clarify this sentence - our grandson refused to eat it? Eat what, the canidae? I did a double take when I read this.
Canidae some people believe to be safe, but obviously it is not.
It has been reported more than once on itchmo to avoid it.
At least one independent lab found tainted food samples.
 
OH Pat and I, TN Pat use:
 
Walmart 
       Spring Valley,
 Standardized Extract
      Milk Thistle
        175 mg
 
1 cap per day. Starting for about a week do 2 caps per day.
 
It really helped mine get their liver numbers to the normal range. I am convinced mine were poisoned (mildly). Thank God I took the first recall to heed and stopped that very day feeding dog food (canned and dry).
 
Questions as to what to feed your dogs vs. dog food.
Previous post on another thread.

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Audrey bought a bag of dry food that smelled like formaldehyde and wisely threw it out. Probably could have saved it to return or contact Itchmo for testing. Make sure those of you still purchasing pet food keep your receipts to prove purchase. Keep the food and the bags or cans of suspect food. Look on itchmo how to send off to your state's attorney general and state health department for testing and further action.
 
http://www.itchmo.com
 
People still using pet food need to get itchmo's daily newsletter to warn of food poisonings well before the FDA might advise the public. Many poisonings are never reported. Many food companies never report to the FDA and the FDA drags their feet until forced to announce.
 
Sorry to get on the drumbeat once again, but folks do reconsider if you are still giving animal feed. I think I have finally convinced Audrey to knock it off. Honestly folks this is almost as easy as feeding pet food and very economical too.
 

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To Audrey, what to feed your two Scotties.
------------------------------------------
 
Meat (canned or fresh, no salt)
Vegetables (canned or fresh, no salt)
Whole Dried Oatmeal (or raw barley meal)
Olive Oil (tbspn)
Milk Thistle (1 capsule)
 
We use the large cans of meat like turkey, chicken, or tuna. Divide the can in half. Give each dog half of the half.
 
Canned vegetables - green beans, lima beans, carrots, peas, carrots and peas, cauliflower, broccoli. Divide can in half. Feed each dog half of the half.
 
Carbohydrates - potatoes, beans (kidney, pinto, great northerns, navy, garbonzo, etc)
 
Regular Quakers Oatmeal dry 1/4 cup scoup
 
Dash of Olive Oil about 1 tbsp
 
1 Standardized Milk Thistle capsule whole per dog.
 
Makes about 2 cups per dog.
 
For breakfast I give them about 1 1/2 cups of Cheerios apiece. You might want to fix them wet lukewarm oatmeal.
 
Avoid flour, milk, mushrooms, onions, garlic, corn
 
Neyll has lost weight (boy did she need it, I feed her slightly less than Moose) and Moose has gained weight (he needed to).

I have had to give them manners lessons as they shreik wanting food.

I have to stop what I am doing and tap them on the nose and say NO!
 
Look out yours will wolf down their food. Moose used to be picky, not now.
I must monitor them carefully to make sure they do not get bloat.
Preventative from developing bloat - liquid to wet dry oats. Feed twice a day. We feed ours plain Cheerios or cooked Oatmeal for breakfast.
 
You will find your two have never felt better. Mine are more playful and run more.
 
Knock off giving them dog canned and dried and dog treats.
 
Dog food plants are nasty and their ingredients anything they can find to throw in.
 
When my husband was in PA the guy he worked with up there said there was a Purina rendering plant close to the location where they work. When the wind shifts their way it actually makes people vomit from the stench. If have done nothing else for this group and your dogs' healths I hope I have convinced everyone please dear Lord above NO MORE DOG FOOD!
 
TNPat

The above is the result of personal research and experience. Remember each dog has individual food balance and supplementary needs. It is possible to get a balanced diet from food alone --

Some may add careful selection of organic, all American ingredients supplements if one thinks those are necessary. DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH!
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« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2008, 03:26:02 AM »

Wow, just got around to reading the info on ground pork.  I use this for spaghetti sauce, my Sainted grandmom cringes when I use bottled sauce, and I do use it, I make meatballs, meatloaf, use it for Burritos, stirfry,

Oh, boy, now , I am confused.  The markets from where I purchase it, grind their own it is not brought in , Stop andShop and Shaw's are in my area .

I know that some of the specialty science diet  foods contain pork.


I do not want to use red meat, nor ground turkey or chicken, it does not give the flvor that I am accustomed to, being raised by an Italian mom and grandmother, I love to cook, and pork has the flavor that my husband and I love
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« Reply #12 on: January 11, 2008, 05:30:36 AM »

Regarding raw pork - can't pets also get trichinosis?  That's the main reason why everyone stresses to cook it so well after many years of people suffering from it.  It's a parasitic worm that encysts in the muscles & is common in pork & bear meat.  When the meat is eaten, the worms break free & burrow through the body & into the muscles, causing a lot of pain & fever & muscle damage.  My big dogs can't eat chicken, so I've been using pork for variety from beef.  I try to get leaner cuts, but it is quite fatty & they don't seem to do quite as well on it.

Regarding the original recipe posted here - don't forget a calcium source to balance out the high phosphorous content in the meat.  Long term imbalance will eventually create health problems.  I don't put calcium in my dogs' home cooked meals, but they get some commercial raw (Farmore) or canned (Canidae/Wellness) each day & a few beef soup bones a week to chew on.  Plus they get a can of salmon once a week, lots of soft bones in that.  Hopefully that gives them enough. 

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« Reply #13 on: January 11, 2008, 07:20:29 AM »

Petslave- try buying the loin cut of pork. Most of the fat is a thick layer on the bottom of the roast & easy to trim off.It was just on sale here for $1.49 a lb for whole loins[about 12 lbs]. I got 2, trimmed the fat off & cut into cubes. I baked all of it & froze it bagged in 2 lb packages. That way I can add a little to the turkey each time.For anyone who wants ground, I do it myself. Just use the blender or food processor after cutting into cubes.
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« Reply #14 on: January 11, 2008, 01:15:26 PM »

What brands of meats do you purchase for the scotties, something like Triumph??


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