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« on: January 02, 2008, 01:23:57 PM »

What ae the percentages when one cooks for the dog?

How much protein?

Carbs and veggies, added to kibble

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« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2008, 01:57:40 PM »

what kibble? that would matter, imo, as some have more grains etc  Smiley
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« Reply #2 on: January 02, 2008, 02:26:50 PM »

Right now, I have Nutro Senior, it has white rice, I am adding brown rice  to the kibble.

I am attempting to stretch the meat with  6 dogs, but, now, as I am typing this, I should only be adding meat and veggies.

DUH

Dawn breaks over Marblehead, as my dad often said about me.  Am also adding a doggie vitamin, plus gluscosimine and hylorunic acid, oh, and Acetyl for one of the senior dachsies



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« Reply #3 on: January 02, 2008, 03:02:51 PM »

The percentages vary from breed to breed and from writer to writer.  In my research on CAT diets, I have come accross (of course) diets for canines.  From what I have read, the usual percentages are:

60% meat with bones; 20% vegies; 20% grains

75% meat with bones; the 25% is mixed veggies and grains

It should be none of my business, but I really really hope you would consider changing your kibble from Nutro to something else... I have read a LOT of anecdotal experiences that indicate Nutro to be a problematic food both short term and long term.  There are other more worthwhile dog kibble out there at he same price range than Nutro.

If you google "raw canine diets" you'll find many sites that discuss raw and cooked diets for dogs
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« Reply #4 on: January 02, 2008, 05:23:49 PM »

Ancona- Just a warning, if you go to a grain free kibble or all homemade try to cut the grains down gradually. Some dogs; after years of high grain diets don't do well with an abrupt change. I have found that using the Lundgerg rice[ non gmo] oats or fried sweet potatoes[cuts down the toxins best] are better than wheat or barley or corn. Also green beans,peas & squashes can be subbed for all or part of the grains.They need to be shredded or pureed for easy digestion. Steaming retains more nutrients.
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« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2008, 09:26:39 PM »

Klondike- I read an article which said frying got rid of more toxins. I think steaming was next, & baking,boiling & microwaving were the worst.  It's probably because the oil gets drained off; but I'm not sure on that. I had been steaming before,but fried for the last batch of food. Didn't seem to bother any of them.I was also using pork loin, so adding a little fat didn't hurt.
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« Reply #6 on: January 02, 2008, 09:27:41 PM »

Sorry- I forgot to say I peeled them before dicing & frying.
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« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2008, 02:48:53 PM »

Hi, I am avoiding any kibble with corn or wheat.  Dachsies do not do well on especially corn.  Nutro has less for my dog with elevated liver enzymes to digest, that is my thinking.

I have fed Chicken Soup, Blue Buffalo, Canidae, Solid Gold, seems Nutro and or Pro Pac Senior is the best for this group of  6  from  4  to  11.

I do add veggies to their kibble.

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« Reply #8 on: January 03, 2008, 02:51:00 PM »

I will google the site, I have a disabled dachsie who tends to get IBD, so , I do not feed raw, nor will I.

When I say IBD it turns into hemmorghasic gastritis, and with a dog who does not ambulate, one can image the mess, many a night I have been up washing and washing.

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« Reply #9 on: January 03, 2008, 02:54:34 PM »

OOPS, I have no problem with anyone mentioning things about Nutro.  May, I say, that, it is not on my top of list, but, agrees with all of the dogs.   To this I add cooked meat and veggies.

As I said in a previous letter, I cannot control the weight, especially with two of the dogs, one a small standard or tweenie and one a mini, Nutro seems to stabilize their weight and too boot, they do not pee at night
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« Reply #10 on: January 03, 2008, 03:36:29 PM »

ahh... I see.  Wink
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« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2008, 10:09:27 AM »

As of today, I am ready to fold.  I honestly do not know if it is worth the effort and or expense.

Part of me does not want to return to Pedigree Chicken Canned, but,cooking for me and hubbie, my dad in law and my father, to distribute, I need to think.

Also, since I returned to cooking chicken or other meat, and steaming veggies, added to Nurto, the dogs are very , very, lethargic.

I need to re coup

Ah, tomorrow, off to my sister's farm, about  10 miles from m e, I bring m y dachsie who has a cart, she loves to run all over the farm, we clean the chicken coop, bunnies, ducks et al, I love it, reminds me of being a kid again
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« Reply #12 on: January 04, 2008, 06:28:08 PM »

oh hon, don't give up too soon.  I am very sorry if you got put off by our rather "terse" answers here.  Can't help saying it, but... you gotta remember that you are inside a group that has been called a bunch of "Pet Food Snobs."  Grin  And so we are and many of us became that way becuase of tragic events in the last year.  Be that as it may, we are all truly concerned for one another's fur kids.  I know that I am.  Now I don't have a dog... just two kitties.  But lets pretend that I do have a dog - no two, three dogs and I want to make sure that they eat safe, healthy and balanced meals.  No need to pretend that I have a very tight budget (I do  Grin).  No need to pretend too that I have a family to cook for every day (I do).  So, what will I do (please remember that I am just thinking out loud here):

1.  I would buy hamburger meat - the loaves that say 7% fat (no more) and a sack of white or brown rice; green vegetables like broccolli, kale, cabbage; color veggies like carrots and squash, some eggs and meat loaf pans.

2.  Crack open a few eggs (4 - 6), dry the shells by "baking them in the oven for 5 - 10 mins and then grind or pulverize them.  (This will be you calcium source).  You can also save the egg shells from your family's breakfast and dry and grind them up later - put the eggshell powder in a sealed container and keep in the fridge.  1 teaspoon eggshell powder has 1800mg calcium carbonate.

3.  I can begin to prepare my dogs' food:

a.  cut up the veggies - a mix of 3 different ones is great (say, grated carrots, brocolli, peas)

b.  boil some rice. 

c.  mix together cooked rice, raw hamburgher meat, eggs, eggshell powder and the veggies and portion them into the meatloaf pans;

d.  bake in the oven at 350 deg for 20 - 3 mins or until done.

4.  The ratios I will use is: 60% meat; 20% cooked rice; 20% mixed vegetables.


Notes:  For every 1 pound of ground lean beef, there is around 561 mg phosphorus.  To get a calcium to phosphoris ratio of 1.3 : 1, you need to add 1/3 teaspoon eggshell powder. 


when cooked,  see no problem mixing kibble with the mix.
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« Reply #13 on: January 04, 2008, 06:46:40 PM »

Ancona- Don't give up yet ! It truly gets easier the more you do it. Diet changes, & certain foods can have a negative effect on some of them. You will see which ingredients work better for yours as go. We've all had times where 1 or 2 have had lethargy, the runs, constipation, gas or vomitting. The meatloaf recipes are easy to make,serve & store. You can also do a soup or stew. You do lose some nutrients cooking in water; but if the liquid stays in the food it doesn't matter. I just finished a batch of dog & cat food myself. Now I do all the meat for both, all the veg & fruit, & the grain. Then measure out for dog & cat & add appropriate vitamins,etc. Saves time & pots. You can cook in large batches & freeze once you settle on a recipe they do well with. And Kaffe is right; sometimes we get a little b----y & snobby. Embarrassed
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« Reply #14 on: January 05, 2008, 12:34:34 PM »

Hi, I have not found anyone on this site snobby.

I guess what impacted my feelings or mood yesterday, is working on a busy pillow for mom who is  88 and in a nursing home, she was ok, till  about  6 months ago, now she does not talk, I even wonder if she recognizes me. I want to put my hand thru a wall, over this, now, dad had major back surgery in July, successful, he is als0 88, now double knee replacement, so, what has entered into my thinking is it may be easier for Tony my hubbie to use canned chicken pedigree, as I know, I will be back and forth and also up to the home to pick up mom's laundry.

Now, let us hope my dad in law who resides alone and is  92 remains in great health.

SOOOOOO, ladies and gents, this is why my mood is affected.  Also, the feeling of overwhelmed.

But, I may say that cooking chicken and adding veggies to kibble is working out.

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