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« Reply #15 on: August 24, 2008, 07:42:37 AM » |
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I found that the calculator changed the amount of supplement based on how many pounds of meat, etc. I put in. So I assumed that was the recommended amount of supplement for that amount of food.
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petslave
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« Reply #16 on: April 05, 2009, 07:33:07 AM » |
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Did anyone ever try this premix?
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Cato
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« Reply #17 on: April 05, 2009, 07:41:54 AM » |
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I think 5Catmom has used this premix in some of her home-prepared meals. I am interested the taurine only.
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mal
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« Reply #18 on: April 05, 2009, 08:50:52 AM » |
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Thank you for the site listing.
I tried running the calculator and am a little dubious about the results.
When running various recipes without the supplement it always showed 0% for the taurine content. I tried a number of combinations just to see what would come up and always zero on the taurine. I tried using a recipe of 50% raw chicken liver and 50% raw chicken hearts ( which I would never use in reality) both of which contain good levels of taurine and the results still showed 0% taurine.
Again my cynical side wonders if the calculator is set to always show low levels of essential nutrients in order to encourage people to buy the supplements. Any thought on this?
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Cato
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« Reply #19 on: April 05, 2009, 10:04:34 AM » |
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Mal: I think nutrient calculators like the site mentioned show 0% in the taurine table becuase these calculators are based on the US Nutrient Data Base which collects data on the nutrient compositions of various foods from producers, manufacturers, restaurnats etc. These establishments never calculate taurine component because it is not considered an essential amino acid for humans (we synthesize it in our bodies). So, apart from their own analysis of their own product, nutrient calculators like this site have nothing to base taurine content calculations upon. I myself use a seperate table to find out taurine content of different meats.
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« Reply #20 on: April 05, 2009, 10:38:56 AM » |
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Cato: Thanks for the information on the calculator. Taurine has always been my main area of concern with my home-cooking so I was happy initially to see a calculator that would give nutrient contents of my meals. It is too bad that it cannot calculate the taurine contents.  |
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« Reply #21 on: April 05, 2009, 10:05:20 PM » |
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I thought it might be an easy way to get Mickey on a simple very lightly cooked "raw-ish" diet. He's been on unbalanced bland for 2 weeks now & I'm worried about his missing nutrients. I like the non-China/India claim, which other premix companies don't have.
I have all the main supplements here for the T&T mix - salmon oil, b-50's, taurine, Vit E, eggshell powder, chicken liver - and would rather use those. Just not sure how to reformulate the T&T mix into something super basic for Mr. M's problems. Ahh, to just throw some chopped chicken into a powdered premix and feed!
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5CatMom
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« Reply #22 on: April 06, 2009, 04:59:09 PM » |
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Been using the Alnutrin supplements for a while now.
My kitties like their homemade food better when it's made with Alnutrin rather than with the human vitamins I was using.
Have exchanged many emails with Marta, and she's always very helpful. If you have any questions or concerns don't hesitate to email her.
5CatMom
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« Reply #23 on: April 06, 2009, 08:01:37 PM » |
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Thanks, 5CatMom! I thought you did say at some point that you have been using this supplement. And of course it helps immensely when there's a real person one can contact about their product!
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« Reply #24 on: April 06, 2009, 09:13:43 PM » |
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Thank you 5CatMom! Good to find someone with experience with the product.
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5CatMom
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« Reply #25 on: April 07, 2009, 04:18:30 AM » |
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You guys are welcome! Marta's supplements work well for us as I wasn't confident in my ability to use the correct amount of human vitamins. I use the recipe formulator, and also had Marta review my recipe just in case I had missed something. Also, although I look at the recipe analysis, some of it is still unclear. Marta is a chemist and her husband is a nutritionist, so that gives me some comfort. Went to Whole Foods yesterday and bought ground chicken thighs, hearts and livers. Yes, they finally have hearts again. LOL, maybe that January "discussion" with their store manager did some good, after all. What happened was that I called before driving all the way to the store (we live in the boonies), and the meat manager told me they had hearts. So I drove to the store, and NO HEARTS. What?  It was time to find the store manager! The store manager was a decent guy and quite understanding about the hearts. He especially seemed to understand that he'd sell more ground chicken if he would keep the hearts and livers in stock. I know, I'm bad  . Furry hugs to all. 5CatMom =^..^ = |
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« Reply #26 on: April 12, 2009, 01:24:34 PM » |
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I just tried a sample of the alnutrin with calcium mix. My fussy cats really seemed to like it. I was going to use that over Feline Future Instincts TC because my cats don't do well with psyllium husk. But, I found out they just stopped using psyllium in the Instincts mix. So now I just have to figure out which mix is best, but I really don't know enough about cat nutrition to judge. I'll do a cut and paste of each of their ingredients and maybe someone more knowledgeable will have some good opinions. 5catmom, maybe you can share with me why you picked alnutrin over instincts. I'd love to hear opinions from any of you. Thanks.
Ingredients to both:
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Egg yolk powder, calcium carbonate, taurine, iodized salt, vitamin E, iron amino acid chelate, copper amino acid chelate, manganese amino acid chelate, zinc oxide, vitamin D3, folic acid, vitamin B12, vitamin B1.
instincts tc
Egg yolk, Milk Mineral Complex, Whey Protein Concentrate, Gelatin, Calcium Lactate, Omega-3 Essential Fatty Acids from Fish Oil, Taurine, Tocopheryl Acid Succinate (natural source Vitamin E), Kelp, natural source Vitamin B Complex (Thiamin, Riboflavin, Niacin, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Vitamin B-12, Biotin, Folic acid, Calcium Pantothenate, Choline bitartrate, Inositol, PABA). No artificial ingredients added
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« Reply #27 on: April 12, 2009, 01:31:30 PM » |
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Welcome Dino! I've been comparing the pre-mixes too, to see which is better. I do like the simpler ingredient list for Alnutrin, not sure about the "milk minerals" & whey in the Instincts. I like that fish oil isn't added to Alnutrin for kitties that can't tolerate it.
I also like that the are sourcing from countries other than China. I don't think Instincts says that if I remember, but I do think they say human grade on their products. I'll be interested in reading what others have to say.
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« Reply #28 on: April 12, 2009, 01:59:58 PM » |
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To me, it looks like Alnutrin is depending heavily that you will be feeding fresh RAW food. So, if I were feeding raw, Alnutrin will be my choice. Feline Instincts is basically designed for raw feeding but provisioning that you'll cook the food and lose some key nutrients. Remember, whenever you process (cook, freeze, dry) food, you'll lose a certain percentage of its nutrient value.
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« Reply #29 on: April 12, 2009, 02:12:18 PM » |
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Hi, thanks. I've been spying on you guys for a long time so I'm happy to finally join in. I'm loving that I you both replied already. THANKS!!!
I am definitely feeding raw chicken and liver. That is great feedback. Ok, now I'll ask you my next question about Alnutrin. I got the idea from reading Catbird's post. Their mix with calcium uses limestone. They also have a mix to use with your own meat and bone so therefore it doesn't contain the calcium. So the idea (because my cats are nowhere near eating bone yet) is to buy their mix for meat and bone and use powdered eggshell instead of using their supplied limestone. From Catbirds post it sounds as if that is superior and even alnutrin says they would rather use eggshell but don't have a source. Is that what you both would do too? And then I guess I could buy ground bone as well. I don't know the pros and con to either. For my gang, taste is the most important criteria as long as it's all reasonably healthy. I have 4 cats and it's hard to get one of them to eat anything. Ok, I'll let you all have at that new twist!
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